User talk:Timtrent

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Invisalign

Would be interested in your opinion here. I setup an RFC a week ago, but the RFC hasn't attracted a single un-involved editor. @LindsayH: did comment on the same topic in the string above the RFC and Wuga was kind enough to provide an opinion after I pinged them. If you have time, most of the Request Edit in the string above could still be considered without edging on the controversial areas that are still under discussion. CorporateM (Talk) 01:05, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

@CorporateM:  Done I fear my opinion has not been given with any expertise in the area, but I have given an opinion. Fiddle Faddle 07:05, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

I am, however, not awake enough yet to perform the balance of the requested edit. As you see, I even missed that element of your message here. Fiddle Faddle 07:41, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Medford knife And tool

Hello, This is my Draft, You are more then welcome to take a look, a let me know what you think, Thanks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Medford_Knife_and_Tool_-_M.K.T#Products Eytankey (talk) 16:41, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

@Eytankey: From my persecutive this is a far tighter and less advertorial article than the one which was deleted. I have not checked the references. I'm glad you have kept it entirely about the org, and avoided the owner's ethos, because that hindered the article.

One important question is the picture. Who is the photographer? There is no camera data, and most folk on Commons tend to require OTRS submissions to assert and release the picture to and beyond Commons. It is also important that the logo is allowed.

However, these are small issues, and the final ones you need to consider. I suggest submission for review, a process I will recuse myself from because I became involved with the prior draft.

The final hurdle, assuming it passes review, is that it is sufficiently different form the deleted article to allow it to remain as an article (we have a rule for instant deletion of re-created overly similar articles). I suggest most strongly that you do not move it to main namespace yourself. Get the Blades project editor involved in the review. I forget who they are, but I am sure you remember. Fiddle Faddle 16:56, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the fast response, what it the "main namespace "? Eytankey (talk) 21:04, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

@Eytankey: "Main namespace" is our jargon for "A real, accepted article" Fiddle Faddle 21:38, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello, "Medford knife and tool" is mentioned in those articles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_knife and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_knife, you think it might change something? thanks Eytankey (talk) 08:29, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Request on 17:37:47, 7 August 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Imagineme302

• Imagineme302 (talk · contribs)
  • User:Imagineme302/sandbox/imagineme302 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I was just trying to create my userpage. I must have done it incorrectly. I may have to review the guidelines. I will be honest and say that this system could be confusing for first time users. Imagineme302 (talk) 17:37, 7 August 2015 (UTC) Imagineme302 (talk) 17:37, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Instead you created a sandbox and submitted it as an article. The clue is the tab named "User page". Go directly into that. Fiddle Faddle 21:11, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

CSD

Before asking speedy deletion, please execute due diligence and check the web. Taufiq Rafat is clearly notable pakistani poet. It is big problem of english wikipedia that national topics are very neglected. Please help to cover these gaping holes. - üser:Altenmann >t 17:33, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for you message. The article was poor enough to face speedy deletion. It is still. There is no obvious assertion of notability still. Fiddle Faddle 17:49, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

I agree the page was close to none. I was talking about giving it a benefit of doubt and do some research. I agree that if a person is important enough, somebody will eventually write a decent article, and I would not say a word, if the subject were, say a yet another American underground musician or a brand new startup. However I am talking about extending some courtesy to topics for countries with poor outreach of wikipedia. - üser:Altenmann >t 04:56, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

I treat all editors and all topics as equal. I do not make allowances for poor work. In this case we are looking at the outpourings from a contributing editor who seems unwilling or unable to understand our need for notability, and who is bombarding us with a series of trivial articles about nonentities. Fiddle Faddle 05:56, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

re: "bombarding" - I understand now. "as equal" - I don't say you shouldn't. I was talking about helping them become "equal". I am not coercing you to do this: we are all volunteers and we do with our free time what we want. Best wishes. - üser:Altenmann >t 14:36, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

A great place to help is WP:AFC, somewhere I spend a great deal of time as a reviewer. May I invite you to come and play? Fiddle Faddle 14:39, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Done. - üser:Altenmann >t 03:14, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Is there something wrong with me or my luck? In exactly 1 hour (20:30-21:30) I declined 8 submissions and accepted none! What's your stats? - üser:Altenmann >t 04:34, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Regrettably we have a load of wholly atrocious submissions surrounding a few nuggets. Some folk will go on to edit and provide decent work. You might like to copy or plagiarise some of my extended rationales to help new editors at User:Timtrent/Reviewing which i use multiple paragraphs form, sometimes modified for circumstances. I am afraid your experience is wholly typical. This is a labour of love, is WP:AFC. You are likely to find th older submissions more intellectually challenging and more ready for acceptance. We work on the basis that we try very hard to accept drafts that have a 60% chance or better of not being subject immediately to a deletion process. What we have achieved is keeping much rubbish out of main namespace, and finding a good number of editors who actually want help. Fiddle Faddle 06:25, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

NZ

• Rajcurator (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:N Z Seasonal Wear Pvt. Ltd. (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

First of all thank you for reviewing my article & giving your feedback. I request you to inform me of which provided source (mentioned in my draft) is reliable as per Wikipedia. Do I need to modify the title of my draft to comply with mentioned sources? Any other information which helps me to comply it with Wikipedia's norms.

@Rajcurator: Part of the steep learning curve that WP:AFC helps you with is WP:BURDEN. I have looked at your first three references, and none of them qualify as meeting the very strict criteria we lay down. ON this experience I venture to suggest that the remainder are unlikely to qualify either. Please read WP:42 and comp[are your references against it. Fiddle Faddle 12:28, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

05:23:09, 10 August 2015 review of submission by Atif1122

• Atif1122 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:BANDAY FAIMLY (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

sir there is no history of banday's on wikipedia while it is very noble and respectable faimly of kashmir. sir the history i have written in article is from authentic sources.so please accept my article so the people would know about bandays

Atif1122 (talk) 05:23, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

@Atif1122: there are many families not on Wikipedia. My own is not. Why does this one qualify? Please see WP:GNG. Fiddle Faddle 12:29, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Grammar Edits

Morning Timtrent,

Thanks for the note, I didn't see your past message regarding letting it be. I was trying to work on the grammar and flow based on some of the more credited articles in the business section. I'll let it be and let the community fine tune it.

Cheers,

Be the article's father, never its mother. Fiddle Faddle 13:14, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

16:08:14, 10 August 2015 review of submission by Kendo1000

• Kendo1000 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Modern Wizard (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Kendo1000 (talk) 16:08, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi I understand your view on the original article, I am attempting to explain the difference between what is accepted by the term 'wizard', 'medieval and Harry Potter' style description and bring it back to the original understanding when the word 'wizard' was used to refer to a 'wise person'

I use the 'artof modernwizardry.org' website as a ref for this, but wrestling the term wizard away from the 'fiction' writers of the last few hundred years is proving to be a difficult task, so it would be better to provide it as a new branch of wizardry so that people can begin to see that there is a differenee between the standard wizard of an ego driven spell casting figure who is likely to cause more harm than good, and provide an alternative viewpoint that refers to the ancient past when wizards were venerated as people who did good. Thus providing a balanced viewpoint between the very ancient and the rise of the 'dark ages' wizard.

can you suggest what I should do to provide to this, I am happy for the 'artofmodernwizardy.org' to be excluded from any reference providing the point can be provisioned correctly

Thank you Ken

@Kendo1000: The thing we require is referencing for what others have said. We cannot accept WP:OR however good it may be. Your own explanation is great for a different website, but cannot be used in Wikipedia. We can only report what others have recorded. We require references from significant coverage about the topic of the article, and independent of it, and in WP:RS please. See WP:42. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources.

Without these references you may have to face the fact that this interesting topic is outside our remit. Fiddle Faddle 21:16, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Mass notification system

Hi Tim, I was chasing off wikipedia a blacklisted website which was popped up in my watchlist by a bot, and run into rat's nest of "metaspammers" which tried to promote in wikipedia their spamming systems under innocent names which use the word "notification" in the articles. As part of dealing with them, I put a {{prod}} tag on Draft:Mass notification system, you declined 4+ months ago, but is shows a big red notice Please use PROD only on articles . So, how do we delete this kind of drafts? Staszek Lem (talk) 21:35, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi Staszek Lem. We use CSD if appropriate, otherwise MfD. Is this a WP:ANI thing, too? Fiddle Faddle 21:41, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't see it is ANI case yet, because so far I saw only old edits by various redlinked accounts. e.g. one good spammer magnet was "Notification system". with lots of editors whose contributions are to be checked. I am almost feeling sorry to close this flytrap by turning it into a redirect. Staszek Lem (talk) 23:05, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Request to Review this Article

Hi Timtrent,

I request you to review the below updated article & let me know where I am not comply with 'Reliable Source' or 'Secondary Source' definitions of Wikipedia.

Please do not paste draft material into talk pages

Introduction N Z Seasonal Wear Pvt. Ltd. is an Indian company registered in 2009 & their Corporate Identification Number (CIN) is U17200MH2009PTC192995.. Mr. Dinesh Trivedi is the Managing Director and the company is specialized in manufacturing rain wear. History The company was registered in 2009 and grew gradually over the years. It gained ISO 9001:2008 certification for its quality. The company is based in Bhiwandi, Thane & entered into export market. Image According to the news published in Business Standard, ABP Live on 29th May, 2014 the company announced Bollywood actor Vivek Oberoi as the official brand ambassador for Zeel Rainwear during a company organized Fashion show in Mumbai. During the show, Dinesh Trivedi, Managing Director, Zeel Rainwear, mentioned that the Indian rain-wear market has tremendous scope and organized players are still at a nascent stage. “We are now looking forward to further expand our distribution network and reach out to customers across India looking for the best rain-wear to bear the Indian monsoon," he further concluded. References

Rajcurator (talk) 05:34, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Each of your references is inappropriate. None is significant coverage. One is a government list, at least two are passing mentions. I forget what the fourth is. I know it is invalid

There are many companies in the world. Simple existence is not sufficient to get a listing in Wikipedia. WP:CORP must be passed

Reviews are performed on the draft itself. Please do not paste draft material to talk pages. Fiddle Faddle 06:49, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

[Edward_Gabriel_Andrè_Barrett] - corrections

Hello, thanks for the tips on [Edward_Gabriel_Andrè_Barrett].

I've made the appropriate changes (I hope) . May I resubmit the page for discussion?

User:EdwardMauri — Preceding undated comment added 07:21, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Always another reviewer will look at it. I try not to re-review drafts. Fiddle Faddle 07:39, 12 August 2015 (UTC)