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Hi, please explain the rationale behind [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=November_2015_Paris_attacks&diff=690751534&oldid=690751383 this diff]. Perhaps there's a relevant section in the quotations policy that I overlooked, but it seems to me that these quotes are very relevant to the article and should be included for their informative value. Thanks, --<font style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;color:#000000">[[User:Pine|<font color="#01796F"><b>Pine</b></font>]][[User talk:Pine|<font color="#01796F"><sup>✉</sup></font>]]</font> 04:49, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi, please explain the rationale behind [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=November_2015_Paris_attacks&diff=690751534&oldid=690751383 this diff]. Perhaps there's a relevant section in the quotations policy that I overlooked, but it seems to me that these quotes are very relevant to the article and should be included for their informative value. Thanks, --<font style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#008C3A 0.1em 0.1em 1.5em,#01796F -0.1em -0.1em 1.5em;color:#000000">[[User:Pine|<font color="#01796F"><b>Pine</b></font>]][[User talk:Pine|<font color="#01796F"><sup>✉</sup></font>]]</font> 04:49, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
:Huh, really? To me this is a very basic thing. Wikipedia is [[WP:NOT|not]] an indiscriminate collection of quotes, but a [[WP:SUMMARY|summary]] of the best sources. If the article was left full of random quotes it would not be an article but a [[WP:QUOTEFARM|quote farm]]. An article like this would not be our work but [[WP:PLAGIARISM|someone else's]], which would run us into problems with our policy to be a [[WP:NFC|free]] resource. Didn't you have to learn this basic aspect of writing in secondary school? --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 07:04, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
:Huh, really? To me this is a very basic thing. Wikipedia is [[WP:NOT|not]] an indiscriminate collection of quotes, but a [[WP:SUMMARY|summary]] of the best sources. If the article was left full of random quotes it would not be an article but a [[WP:QUOTEFARM|quote farm]]. An article like this would not be our work but [[WP:PLAGIARISM|someone else's]], which would run us into problems with our policy to be a [[WP:NFC|free]] resource. Didn't you have to learn this basic aspect of writing in secondary school? --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John#top|talk]]) 07:04, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
::(Article talk page best?) It conveys nuance. If used as a quote, there is less responsibility for those nuances. The nuances could be stated in the Wikipedia article, but doing so might not be 'encyclopedic'. [[Special:Contributions/2601:600:8500:5B1:D41B:E837:1128:2F01|2601:600:8500:5B1:D41B:E837:1128:2F01]] ([[User talk:2601:600:8500:5B1:D41B:E837:1128:2F01|talk]]) 19:40, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

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A Note on threading:

Interpersonal communication does not work when messages are left on individual users' talk pages rather than threaded, especially when a third party wishes to read or reply.

Being a "bear of very little brain", I get easily confused when trying to follow conversations that bounce back and forth, so I've decided to try the convention that many others seem to use, aggregation of messages on either your talk page or my talk page. If the conversation is about an article I will try to aggregate on the article's talk page.

  • If the conversation is on your talk page or an article talk page, I will watch it.
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I may mess up, don't worry, I'll find it eventually. Ping me if you really need to.

please note this is a personal preference rather than a matter of site policy

(From User:John/Pooh policy)


The Signpost: 28 October 2015

The Signpost: 04 November 2015

Thanks

I know you do might disagree with my assertions that opinions cited and ascribed as such can be used even from the "Daily Mail" and that there is no such thing as a "reliable source" for celebrity gossip - but we tend to agree far more often than not overall. Thank you for noting my strong positions on Twain for sure! Collect (talk) 19:55, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Us old timers tend to gravitate towards common positions. I certainly agree with you strongly over Twain. --John (talk) 20:09, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Virginia Tech Project Invite

As a current or past contributor to a related article, I thought I'd let you know about WikiProject Virginia Tech, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Virginia Tech. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks and related articles. Thanks!

Go Hokies (talk) 22:42, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 11 November 2015

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article International reactions to the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 shootdown is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International reactions to the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 shootdown until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) may the force be with you 21:28, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Quotation removal

Hi, please explain the rationale behind this diff. Perhaps there's a relevant section in the quotations policy that I overlooked, but it seems to me that these quotes are very relevant to the article and should be included for their informative value. Thanks, --Pine 04:49, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Huh, really? To me this is a very basic thing. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of quotes, but a summary of the best sources. If the article was left full of random quotes it would not be an article but a quote farm. An article like this would not be our work but someone else's, which would run us into problems with our policy to be a free resource. Didn't you have to learn this basic aspect of writing in secondary school? --John (talk) 07:04, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(Article talk page best?) It conveys nuance. If used as a quote, there is less responsibility for those nuances. The nuances could be stated in the Wikipedia article, but doing so might not be 'encyclopedic'. 2601:600:8500:5B1:D41B:E837:1128:2F01 (talk) 19:40, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]