Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/MediaWiki:Gadget-NewMainPage

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: Procedural close. MfD is not the proper venue to discuss removal of gadgets; those should be held at Wikipedia:Gadgets/proposals. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 16:31, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Gadget-NewMainPage

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One persons idea of what the Main page should become (and which gets near universal opposition) shouldn't be on the MediaWiki:Gadget Fram (talk) 07:29, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

One persons idea of what the Main page should become (and which gets near universal opposition) shouldn't be on the MediaWiki:Gadget
But an MfD notice (which would have been confusing even if you hadn't neglected to substitute the template, thereby linking to a nonexistent discussion page instead of this one) should be there? (It still is, by the way. I substituted the template and removed it from transclusions, but this has not yet taken effect on my end.) —David Levy 08:00, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

It did link to this page, but not if you saw it from somewhere else (like Preferences, probably). This is the version I created, and as you can see the link to this MfD works perfectly. Yes, it should have been no-included. But the MfD is only there for a while, the page under discussion was there permanently. Fram (talk) 08:32, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

It did link to this page, but not if you saw it from somewhere else (like Preferences, probably).

Again, that's because you didn't substitute the template. As noted in bold at the very top of its documentation, this is essential. —David Levy 08:44, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes. Perhaps Twinkle should use this as the default then, when adding a MfD, but in the end this is my responsability, not that of the tool. Thanks for correcting this. Fram (talk) 08:46, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

• I think this is the first time I have ever seen something from the MediaWiki namespace nominated here. Who is normally in charge of that namespace? Editing access to that namespace is restricted. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:42, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
  • No one really is in charge, access is restricted to (I suppose) admins only? Fram (talk) 08:07, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
• Those people currently using the widget do not have access to the Main Page. Is it possible to put up some notice for those users? I'm a little confused as to what's going on here. Raymie (t • c) 07:54, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Me too :-) How does a link to a Draft page influence the access people have to the Main Page? It was a link to a newly proposed layout of the Main Page, not the actual Main Page. Ah I see, some people use this as their actual Main Page. Weird. In any case, I have now changed this to a link to the real Main page, does this work? Fram (talk) 08:07, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
• Fram, I don't understand what you're trying to do here. You've managed to break the gadget in every way possible (moving the page, removing all the code from the gadget, adding a MFD notice to the description). Your nomination statement makes it clear that you don't fully understand how gadgets work - there is no such thing as "MediaWiki:Gadget", nor will deleting the *description* page have any effect on user's using the script. I *think* you just want to remove this as a gadget from Special:Preferences? Is that it? For now I've reverted all of your changes so people can use the gadget while discussion is on-going. Legoktm (talk) 10:23, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
  • I moved the page without knowing that it was used in a gadget (which wasn't indicated anywhere, as far as I can tell), after others had suggested (correctly) that the page doesn't belong in the Draft namespace. After it was pointed out to me that the page was actually in use in a gadget and that my change prevented them from getting to the Main Page, I tried to make sure that everyone who used the gadget did get to the Main Page (which after a few tries they did). At that moment, the gadget wasn't broken in any way any longer: the proposed 2015 page (which was, according to the description of the gadget, the destonation people would be taken to) had been removed by another editor quite a while ago in any case, and replaced by his new proposal. So instead of one target not matching the description, I used another (the actual Main Page). What was actually "broken" by that change? I should have substituted the MfD, I have said as much above, but apart from that I don't see the total drama some people here try to make of things. You also seem to have a problem with an MfD notice at the description: would it have been better at the .js page? It would certainly be seen by fewer people, but otherwise I see no reason why my placement there was incorrect (bar the substitution issue).
  • As for what I want to do; I want to remove this Mediawiki:Gadget from the preferences (you may claim that no such thing exists, but gadgets are in the Mediawiki:Gadget format, so I see no reason not to describe it like this, as it is currently very unclear what the purpose is or who can use it (any admin can just change the page to point to their own proposal whenever they like? That's a bizarre use of a gadget. The page should still point to a failed 2015 proposal? That's also bizarre. There are mutliple proposals, once one gets some form of community consensus we can perhaps enable a gadget so more people can check it: until then, the gadget either shouldn't exist or should point to the Main Page as is). Fram (talk) 11:27, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Legoktm, I notice that you have also removed (well, hidden) the MfD notice from everywhere now. Can you please place it at the best location, wherever you believe this may be? Having a MfD for a page / .js script without advertising it there is not good (one might even say that you have now broken the MfD). Fram (talk) 11:30, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
    • MfD notice/link added to the talk page. Bencherlite^Talk (using his alt account Bencherheavy) 16:26, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

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