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Tatianna (drag queen)

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Delete. Poorly sourced WP:BLP of a person notable only as a non-winning competitor in a reality show. This is not a claim of notability that constitutes an automatic WP:CREATIVE pass in and of itself, but the sourcing here is not solid enough to get him over WP:GNG in its place -- the references here are (1) a "meet the whole cast of the new season" article which isn't substantively about him, (2) a nightclub's own self-published website as proof that he performed there, (3) a "local boy makes good" article in his own hometown newspaper, and (4) a blogsourced opinion piece about why he should win the season (even though he's already been cut). This is not the kind of sourcing it takes. Bearcat (talk) 23:47, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Keep. Due to the person being a well-known reality television personality. Wikipedia has articles on many people from reality shows like The Voice, America's Got Talent, American Idol. Tatianna was a Top 4 finisher and is now on All-Stars. HesioneHushabye (talk) 06:41, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia's rules, when it comes to reality shows, is that the winner is the only one who gets over the notability bar just for appearing on the show in and of itself — non-winning competitors can sometimes still accrue notability in the same ways as people who weren't on the show at all can (e.g. a singer who lost on American Idol can still get signed to a label afterward and have hit singles, and is not precluded from satisfying WP:NMUSIC for those followup achievements just because they didn't win Idol), but they don't get automatic inclusion freebies just for the fact of being on a reality show in and of itself. Winner gets article because show; anybody who didn't win gets article if they satisfy some other inclusion criteria after getting cut from the show, and not because show. Bearcat (talk) 17:31, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

I came onto Wikipedia today specifically to find out more about Tatianna so was glad to see there was an article, since most of the other competitors have them. She released a single after being eliminated from Rupaul's All Stars, so has done other things apart from the show, and there are references to articles in the entry as it stands(egTatianna on All Stars, 'Same Parts,' & Reading the Judges). Also, as I understand it all the eliminated competitors are likely to return later in the season due to the way it is being set up. I first tried looking Tatianna up a few weeks ago and could find next to no info so this article was welcome and helpful. Socratic12 talk 20.12, 12 September 2016 GMT —Preceding undated comment added 19:22, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 04:31, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

• Delete: (1) We usually only keep articles of the winners, or at most runner-ups, on reality shows. (2) I am friends with many drag queens (including three Empresses of the Imperial Court New York), and honey, she is not a notable drag queen. I'm not aware of any title in the Imperial Court system or other major drag show (e.g., Miss Fire Island) that she's won. Just to be fair, I searched online for possible sources, but mostly I found only passing references to Tatianna. Bearian (talk) 20:02, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

• Keep: She is notable, and has been written about and interviewed in several publications, and it is not true only winners get their own pages - Pearl, Yara Sofia, Shangela, Laganja and countless other contestants have their own wikipedia entries.--FollowTheSigns (talk) 18:44, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

• Keep: Even Mimi Imfurst has a page on wikipedia being the first queen eliminated from the first AllStars season. Same with Tammie Brown. I don't see the reason why Tatianna can't have a wikipedia page when she's been in the latest season of RPDR, she's probably coming back, and there's actually people interested on getting to know her better. She wasn't a notable drag queen in the past cause drag race clearly didn't had as many fans as it has now and unlike Raven (Aka the only queen from S2 people actually remember), she didn't stick with WOW presents. It's a different situation now.

• Keep: She is well known and was on two seasons of a popular show, from a few years ago and in the present. She is verified on Twitter and the number of followers she has proves that a lot of people show interest in her. Other drag queens that only participated one episode of RPDR like Mimi Imfurst has a Wikipedia page. Most participant's in all stars 2 also have one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.239.87.53 (talk) 01:58, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

KEEP. She is heavily featured in promos for RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars 2. She has made many television and online-based appearances promoting said show including the recent MTV VMA's.She has a currently charting single on iTunes and as said above is Twitter verified. If other performers with less credentials have a page then so should she. Her credentials as you said will only grow from here since All-Stars 2 is only 3 episodes in so deleting this page seems premature at best.