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Hi, just noticed your edits to Vijayanagara Empire where you removed other stories about founding. I've readded them below your disclaimer. btw, also noticed your edits on Talk:Telugu Language. Please be informed that no one needs to take permission from others to change or edit; however, it is considered civility to not remove material without explaining either in the edit summary or the talkpage. Welcome!! --Gurubrahma 13:48, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Your message

Dinesh, you wrote the following:

Please dont delete valid info put in by someone. If you do delete it, make sure you inform me why you did it for sake of decency. I feel its important to point people to links at times to make it more informative. Just having a link to ASI does not convey the message or interest to the reader to dig in.

Dinesh Kannambadi

I edit a lot of articles on Wikipedia, which article are you referring to? Is this with regards to the Hoysala inscriptions? Please refer to Talk:Hoysala Empire. I have shared some of my thoughts regarding the deletions there. It is not a question of decency, as you say. I reversed the edits without notifying anyone, because those edits were made by an anonymous IP (129.42.208.182). How was I supposed to know who added that section?? Also, I invite you to further discuss your edits with me; however, please post your comments on my Talk page and not my User profile page as you had previously. Thanks, and please continue to contribute to Wikipedia. AreJay 06:26, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Copyvio

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, such as Vikramaditya VI, but we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites or printed material. Perhaps you would like to rewrite the article in your own words. For more information, take a look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Happy editing! --Gurubrahma 10:33, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Your edits to Vijayanagara Empire

Hi, you inserted lot of text on the origin of the empire from a website - however, as WP releases its content on a GFDL, we should ensure that copyrights are not violated. If you own the content/website, please release it under GFDL so that the content can remain under Wikipedia. Quoting huge blocks of text, without making an attempt to analyse or critique it would also not fall under fair use. You can use various sources for obtaining facts, but the expression must be your own. Please read Wikipedia:Copyrights and WP:V as well. You may want to remove content or place for deletion, all such articles that have been copy-paste from websites or other sources that do not release their content under GFDL. TIA, --Gurubrahma 10:33, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Fair use

What you claim is fair use - however, it does not apply when huge amounts of text are quoted in the way you have done (please read my above message carefully). Also, if you claim something as your own, it is plagiarism, not necessarily a copyvio. Also, please read the link on GFDL apart from the other links I provided in the previous message. On an entirely different note, when you want to start a new message on a talkpage, please use the "+" button next to the "edit this page" button so that the message gets displayed at the bottom of the page. Else, people may miss reading your message fully. Also, copyrights is a serious issue and repeated violation of the same may lead to banning a user from editing Wikipedia. --Gurubrahma 05:25, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank You Dinesh! for your efforts in cleaning up the articles in making them issue less. Copyright is a major issue on Wikipedia. When I was relatively new to Wikipedia many of my articles and contributions were deleted and many photos aswell which were uploaded by me. When Wikipedia wants to make information free for everyone, it also tries to ensure that these are done through legal means and any infringment will lead to leagal issue. This is a good example as to how small issues can be blown up to unimaginable extent.

Your efforts are appreciated. IndianCow 07:24, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Hey can you tell me as to who is Mr. Arthikaje? Is he an authority in Kannada History? What is his full name? and credentials about the stuff he has written on OurKarnataka.com. Isn't there any one other than Mr. Arthikaje who you can quote.It is very disheartning that the article Rashtrakuta starts with a quote from Mr. Arthikaje.

Please read this Wikipedia:The perfect article

--IndianCow 13:54, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

References and Notes

Dinesh, I appreciate your efforts in giving the detailed information. I know KamatPourri since long. I have resisted myself from quoting extensively from that website. If you want to quote them here is the Cavet. Mr. Arthikaje: It becomes very ambigious when you quote Mr. Arthikaje. The site OurKarnataka.com doesnt even mention the details about him. They have just included that he is from mangalore. The site our Karnataka [1] no where mentions that the site is GFDL or can be used for free. You can explore WP and keep on editing but when this goes beyond a certain limit and causes Copyright issues then you might be blocked aswell. Why is it that you want to rely on Online content only. Why don't to try to explore offline content aswell. here is the catalogue provided by Kamats'[2] You said that Mr. Kamat is a pabma vibhushan awardee but I dont find his name Category:Padma Vibhushan awardees? Note of advice (I am giving you even though this is unsolicited :), Just joking) Please read this if any of them are related to you Another note of unsolicited adivse: There are many historians other than Jotsna Kamat, Krishna Kamat and Mr. ArthikajePlease have mercy on them and Jotsna Kamat, Krishna Kamat and Mr. Arthikaje will not feel bad or go on a hunger strike if you stop quoting them and quote some one else for a change. Why is there a need for a quote. Is that quote so important that the comming generation should not miss it. I dont know I am not the authority. But Yes! you can alter the text and maintain the spirit. who has stopped you from conveying it in your own words. You can later on add them as reference. I have contributed a lot to this article. Most of the content comes from the newspapers and online portals. We have used them as reference but ensured that copyright is not violated. Last thing please dont add the quote at the start of the article its really bad. Wikipedia:The perfect article

and whenever you reply on any talk page at the end please add four tides something like this

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which adds your signature with date and time IndianCow 07:45, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

User talk:129.42.208.182 Your previous talk stuff........

Invitation

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Esperanza hopes that your stress will blow away soon.

Would like to have some coffe with me... then see you at the Esperanza Cafe! --IndianCow 16:53, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Dr. Rajkumar's death and violence

Regarding your comments on this topic at user_talk:Jay#Dr._Raj_Kumar, mentioning about the aftermath of his death is not an attempt to degrade Rajkumar. Hope these points will address some of your concerns :

• Wikipedia is not in favour or against. Wikipedia is neutral, and articles are expected to be written in a Neutral point of view (NPOV). This would mean presenting information as it is, rather than commenting or providing opinions on the information. In this sense portions of articles may very well appear as newspaper reports.
• Information on current events more often than not are very specific, which is why the mention of "the number of buses burnt". As an event gets older and "historic", information will be generalised, since there will be a lot more info to be added. Perhaps it will contain info on the statues or memorials installed in Rajkumar's name.
• An encyclopedia article on a person would not only encompass his lifetime, but the person's legacy itself. Famous people continue to live long after their death. Currently many of the debates and discussions in the media and social circles with respect to Rajkumar are related to the phenomenon of mob frenzy and what it means to give a dignified farewell.
• Information on the impact caused because of a publicly loved person's death is encyclopedic. There may be books written on this topic, though I'm not sure. Many wikipedia articles also would be having mention of this. I checked some - see MG_Ramachandran#Death and Martin_Luther_King#Assassination.

I looked at some of your contributions, good to see that you have been contributing well to historic and Karnataka related articles. I've been on Wikipedia since 2003, at that time there were few India-related articles. Good to see lot of contributors now. Keep up the good work! And your guess is right, I'm a resident Bangalorean of non-Kannada background :) Jay 06:36, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Dr.Rajkumars mother tongue

You had left a nasty message on my talk page but I did not respond in kind. As you know Wikipedia is a public project and all of us have the right to comment that can be acceptable or not to so called fan. Frankly I am no fan of Rajkumar or MGR, you know there are people for such affliction. But anyway, I have been around the internet for a while and did not save the article that apeared on www.telugucinema.com in which Rajkumar himself said that his mothertongue was Telugu. His name itself Muthuraju is not typical Kannadiga name. Anyway if I find the correct article, (not the stupid Tamilnation one) I will forawrd it to you. More discussion on this is at User_talk:RaveenS#Rajkumar.27s_mothertongue User:RaveenS

Chalukya Chola wars

Dear Mr Venu, dont try to just glorify Cholas by refering to history written by just one historian (Nilakhanta Sastry). There are many more historians who have written about these conflicts and i suggest you do more reading on this matter. Some historians especially of Tamil origin tend to be very Tamil centric and try to glorify every achievement of Tamils in history and downplay those by others. These edits will go on untill we find a balance somewhere. I also intend to start editing Chola pages to reflect correct history, not the one presented by Tamil Historians.

Dinesh

Dinesh If you go on vandalising the pages to include your POV with no (authentic) references except for the ourkarnataka website, i will continue reverting your edits. I don't mind your editing to clarify or removing information not pertinant to the page, however you seem to be pushing your nationalistic barrow. All my articles are based on two books by KAN Sastri. He was an internationally renowned historian whose books have been in print for over seventy years and have been reviewed and critiqyed by not only international, also by Indian historians (including some from Karnataka I persume). Your edits and deletes are not supported by any reference from any reputed sources. Until you do that I will not accept your comments.

regards

Parthi (Venu62) 20:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

One more point: I'm not in WP to glorify anyone in particuar. My attempts are purely write articles on history sources from academic materials. The Internet is full of pages which have an one-eyed nationalistic view on these matters and that is why I never depend on them. I don't have an agenda to push, but I will counter your agenda.

You have made useful contributions, but don't waste your energy in trying to see bias where non exists.

Parthi (Venu62) 20:54, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Edit Summary Request

I have noted that you sometimes edit without an edit summary. Please do your best to always fill in the summary field. This is considered an important guideline in Wikipedia. Even a short summary is better than no summary. An edit summary is even more important if you delete any text; otherwise, people may think you're being sneaky. Also, mentioning one change but not another one can be misleading to someone who finds the other one more important; add "and misc." to cover the other change(s). Thanks! -- Kukini 18:51, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you...and welcome to the wikicommunity! Kukini 13:44, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Your edits to Dravida

You have not understood the wordings. In your overenthusiasm to portray grand picture of Karnataka you have overlooked the logic behind how Dravida came to represent whole of "South". If you think it didn't then you have to explain why Southern Brahmins were known as Pancha Dravida Brahmana. Do you deny that Kannadigas and Telugites started their kingdoms with native literary traditions very late when compared to Tamils. Probably, you must be knowing Satavahana was a Prakrit kingdom. And Kadamba was a much later kingdome when compared Chola, Chera, Pandya whose kingdoms were already mentioned in Ashokas edicts. Do you think your words make any sense to the whole article? Please read it twice and just think what kind of impression it gives. Isn't it totally out of place to the whole article? If you are convinced of that please revert your edits. If you have any questions please drop a message. Thank you.

Manjunatha (19 Jun 2006)

dear Mr Manjunath, i was mearely trying to point out to Mr Pompus whoever he is, that other dravidian speakers, especially Kannada speakers have had their great empires too and that Tamils are not the only empire builders.

Precisely, you were trying to trumpet Kannada achievements at the cost of that article which had a totally different angle. Your modifications made the article completely absurd. Your narrow minded hatred against Tamils has only succeeded in vandalizing the article.

Secondly, Kannada speakers did not start their litreary traditions "very late". they started their traditions "later". please correct your english and see the difference in wording.

Thank you for the correction. Probably, that was the only change you had to make and you succeeded in totally distorting the article.

This was because they were ruled by prakrit speakers in the north and hence Kannnada did not get the official recognition as early as tamil. This again has to do with geographical proximity. Please be aware of this. Just because the satahahanas encouraged Prakrit does not mean Kannada speakers did not speak Kannada, they just had to abide by officialdom given to Prakrit thats all, just like tulu spearkers todays have to abide by Kannada being the official language.

Totally irrelevent to the topic at hand. Anyway, the studies on Dravidian languages is still ongoing process. If the present studies are correct, the regions of Andhra and Karnataka spoke Dravidian language earlier than the region of Tamil Nadu. Probably, that makes Proto-Kannada older than Proto-Tamil. But that does not deny the fact that South India was referred as Dravida and not Karnata. The article was a mere compliation of the records that talked about Dravida and its association with South India.

I dont see this issue out of place. Just as Mention of early tamils kingdoms is valid, so is the mention of Kannada kigndoms to show that speakers of other dravidian languages have had their time in the sun too. Get off your high Tamil horse.

This was the same reason I said you have not understood the content of the article. It was neither a propaganda to project Tamils nor to denigrate Kannadigas. It's just a mere exposition how Dravida represented whole of South (and that included Gujarat and Maharashtra where the only Dravidian influence was that of Kannada kingdoms in the later period).

I speak Kannada with my mother. Therefore, I consider myself a Kannadiga. Thanks for your personal attacks. Makes me proud of my Kannadaness.

Manjunatha (20 Jul 2006)

Well Done!

		The Photographer's Barnstar
		For your beautiful original photographs of Karnataka temples - Parthi 20:10, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Can you throw some light?

Can you please explain, why Belur and Halebid temples are in ruins? Were these temples completed or abandoned? Were these destroyed by Muslim invaders or due to other causes? I would appreciate if you have any authentic info on these. I visited these temples and the way it had been tampered (added, altered), not paying due attention to the fact that it is a place of historical significance. Thanks.--Aadal 21:58, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Thank you so much for your detailed explanation! I appreciate it. I appreciate your valuable contribtions to Kannada-Karnataka-related pages, espcially the historical and cultural details.--Aadal 18:35, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

hi dinesh, i just added some info about this conversation between u and aadal on aadal's talk page. just fyi. Sarvagnya

Confusing sentence in Sripadaraya

Hello. This sentence is difficult for me to understand:

Once as a child when Lakshminarayana was playing with his friends, Svarnavarna tirtha a pontiff happend to come across them....

Is "Svarnavarna tirtha" the name of the pontiff? And what is a pontiff? Obviously an important person, but other than that, I'm not sure. If the pontiff's name is S. t., the perhaps it would be clearer if it were reworded thus:

Once as a child when Lakshminarayana was playing with his friends, a pontiff named Svarnavarna tirtha happend to come across them....

One of the things I really like about Wikipedia is people like you making your knowledge about subjects like this available to me, who would not know where to look otherwise. Thanks.

--Sean Lotz 22:02, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Just provide references

I have worked very hard over many months on India articles, including ones that others lay claim to. I just make sure that I reference what I put in articles. As you know original research, that is, your own experience, is not considered a reliable valid third-party source for Wikipedia. So be careful about removing sourced material on the basis of your personal experience. Mattisse(talk) 00:23, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

A small token of appreciation of your phenomenal work

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		Hi Dinesh, I am thankful and greatly appreciate the phenomenal work you have done(and continue to do) on Kannada, Karnataka, Kannadiga related pages. As a small token of my appreciation I hand you this barnstar which was long overdue. Keep up the GREAT work. Sirigannadam Gelge! Sarvagnya 04:06, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I haven't replied to you sooner!

I've been taking a WikiBreak.

I understand what you are saying and certainly don't want to misrepresent anything. The temple towns are beautiful. I never knew about all this until I stared reading Wikipedia articles on India. I was never interested in India before, and now it is the most interesting place of all.

Really the problems make India seem more real to me because I can feel what the people are dealing with. Some areas are experiencing incredible growth, while some still have dirt roads going to the temple.

Please, I welcome your input as I know almost nothing about India except what I have learned trying to figure out these articles. Mattisse(talk) 00:29, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Belgavi!!!

'Yeh belgavi belgavi kya hain yeh belgavi belgavi!'

Belgaon->Belgaum(in english)

Belgaon->Belgav(pronounciation)->Belgavi (in Kannadi)

Either ways its Marathi -Belgaon's apabhransha,that shall be used.Change it whatever u want,if ppl of Belgaon dont give a damn about it,such changes are just nominal..to satify urself!!

Jai Maharashtra....Belgaon sah Sanyukta Maharashtra zalach pahije. mahawiki 19:19, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Hoysala Kings Infobox

You can edit it here : Template:Hoysala Kings Infobox. This article needs a good cleanup and expansion. I'm sure you'll do it well. - Parthi 19:58, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Infoboxes

Info is easy to get but is a little scattered. For starters, some districts have their websites. You can fine them here. Most info should be available there. Population figures are available here. In a hurry now. District maps can be found by googling or on those district websites. But I dont know if we can use them. Never used an image from anywhere. So dont know about copyright etc. More later. gtg. Sarvagnya 14:53, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

This is a very useful resource too. Geo coords and zip codes etc. Sarvagnya 22:21, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Maharashtra Is The Greatest

Attention, Dinesh Kannadabatti, you are playing with fire when you insult Marathi emotions. Don't ever say things which you've said in Belgaon article talk page. Karnataka and Kannadis can never reach the pinnacle of successes that Marathi people reach. The conquests of Marathas are known to all. If Marathas wouldn't have been there, all of you would have been converted to Islam. You would've been slaughtered, murdered, coerced to convert. It was Marathas overbearing presence that saved you people. So don't talk rubbish about Maratha Empire.

Regarding your statement that Maratha Empire wasn't great and Vijanagara Empire was great and blah... blah.... , my reply is that I refuse to accept Vijayanagara kingdom as an Empire. It was a small kingdom. Not an empire. An Empire is Imperialist. Vijayanagra people were cowards who never tried to go out of Karnataka. Marathas were brave imperial warriors who conquered foriegn land and they lost Panipat but lost it bravely. They didn't let the loss lead to the destruction of our land. They were true Kshatriyas. Vijayanagara couldn't even defend itself. The five small Deccan Sultanates destroyed it. Vijayanagara couldn't match to those small sultanates. What a shame !!! Marathas destroyed the Mughal Empire (which is thought to be one of the most powerful of the subcontinent). Marathas are real Kshatriyas. Marathas are Aryas. Anyway, Kannadis are Dravidians who were kicked away from their homeland (Sindh) by the Aryas. So who is more powerful ? And about the language, Marathi and Kannada are not related at all. Kannada fanatics, your language is a failing language. You guys come to Mumbai, you immigrants !!!! Why ? Because Marathi land is great land. And there only you can succeed. Karnataki is barren land that's why Kannadigas are deserting it and fleeing to Marathi land. Shame on you !!!

As for Belgaon, it is ours and we will get it. And don't talk about Solapur, you ignorant fool ! Solapur's majority population is Marathi. So no question of joining it with Karnataka.

"Marathyache Rakt khavallale aahe ! Aamchya vaatelaa aalas tar mundka kaapun taaken !"

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 14:04, 9 September 2006 (UTC)