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*'''Keep''': {{u|Bearcat}} - trust that the primary concern for this AFD is sourcing and not notability and I agree with your assessment; although it [[WP:PNJCS|has potential, just not in it's current state]], I suppose it would be trumped by the fact that [[WP:NNC|notability guidelines do not apply to content within an article]] or [[WP:ARTN|article content does not determine notability]] and quite importantly, [[WP:NEXIST|notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article]]; also, here are some of the other references that I was able to source (''not listed in any order of significance'')-</br>1. [https://www.google.co.in/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=%22Alexis+Rivera%22+and+%22transgender%22#q=%22Alexis+Rivera%22+and+%22transgender%22&hl=en&tbm=bks&start=0 Widely cited by subject's peers in various books]</br>2. [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1741677/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm Played casting role in a documentary film]</br>3. [https://article.wn.com/view/2012/03/30/Alexis_Rivera_Transgender_Rights_Advocate_Dies_In_California/ Similar article as HuffingtonPost on WorldNews]</br>4. [http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/InSite?page=cfusca-00-00 Member of the Transgender Community Panel at United States Conference on AIDS Trans Institute]</br>I realize that most of these references do not speak "about" the subject per se, they do credibly indicate the claim of significance.</br>'''Query:''' Please confirm which of the citations are self-published ''webpages'' as most of the ones that I've referred are about or after her death - not that I hold any prejudice against them. I was further unable to clearly see them (webpages) as "primary sources" as I'm given to understand that they have been published by organizations / institutions that existed long before the subject was involved.</br>'''Comment:''' Would you happen to know anything about a 'Alexis Rivera Trailblazer Award'? Saw a mention [http://sdgln.com/entertainmentl/2013/06/21/film-festival-trans-pride-los-angeles-weekend here]. Thanks. [[User:Topcipher|TopCipher]] ([[User talk:Topcipher|talk]]) 07:17, 24 April 2017 (UTC) |
*'''Keep''': {{u|Bearcat}} - trust that the primary concern for this AFD is sourcing and not notability and I agree with your assessment; although it [[WP:PNJCS|has potential, just not in it's current state]], I suppose it would be trumped by the fact that [[WP:NNC|notability guidelines do not apply to content within an article]] or [[WP:ARTN|article content does not determine notability]] and quite importantly, [[WP:NEXIST|notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article]]; also, here are some of the other references that I was able to source (''not listed in any order of significance'')-</br>1. [https://www.google.co.in/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=%22Alexis+Rivera%22+and+%22transgender%22#q=%22Alexis+Rivera%22+and+%22transgender%22&hl=en&tbm=bks&start=0 Widely cited by subject's peers in various books]</br>2. [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1741677/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm Played casting role in a documentary film]</br>3. [https://article.wn.com/view/2012/03/30/Alexis_Rivera_Transgender_Rights_Advocate_Dies_In_California/ Similar article as HuffingtonPost on WorldNews]</br>4. [http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/InSite?page=cfusca-00-00 Member of the Transgender Community Panel at United States Conference on AIDS Trans Institute]</br>I realize that most of these references do not speak "about" the subject per se, they do credibly indicate the claim of significance.</br>'''Query:''' Please confirm which of the citations are self-published ''webpages'' as most of the ones that I've referred are about or after her death - not that I hold any prejudice against them. I was further unable to clearly see them (webpages) as "primary sources" as I'm given to understand that they have been published by organizations / institutions that existed long before the subject was involved.</br>'''Comment:''' Would you happen to know anything about a 'Alexis Rivera Trailblazer Award'? Saw a mention [http://sdgln.com/entertainmentl/2013/06/21/film-festival-trans-pride-los-angeles-weekend here]. Thanks. [[User:Topcipher|TopCipher]] ([[User talk:Topcipher|talk]]) 07:17, 24 April 2017 (UTC) |
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* '''Keep''': Obviously I'm the primary author so my vote is biased. Responding to {{u|TopCipher}}, I can tell you that Trans Pride is Los Angeles local transgender pride celebration [http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-0621-trans-pride-20150621-story.html], and gives an award every year recognizing a local transgender advocate. Since Alexis death in 2012, the award has been titled the Alexis Rivera Trailblazer Award in honor of Alexis work. Further references can be found here: [https://transgenderlawcenter.org/archives/1028], [https://mommyfiercest.wordpress.com/tag/pride/], [https://www.facebook.com/notes/trans-pride-la/trans-pride-la-2016-schedule/1057084561025745/]. </br> '''Query:''' Part of what makes Alexis Rivera important is she was an advocate 15 years ago, at a time when the transgender community was largely invisible to mainstream society. As a result, there is very little documented media from that time period (and what there is did not make it to the internet). Is there a recommended method for sourcing articles about communities are rarely written about in major media sources? I am committed to improving this article as the primary author based on the feedback here. [[User:Techgirlwonder|Techgirlwonder]] ([[User talk:Techgirlwonder|talk]]) 12:49, 24 April 2017 (UTC) |
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Poorly sourced biography of a person notable primarily as a case manager at a local non-profit agency. While Wikipedia doesn't inherently preclude people of primarily "local to a single area" notability from getting articles if they can be reliably sourced over WP:GNG, that's not what the sourcing here is doing -- of the six references here, four are primary sources (the self-published webpages of organizations she was directly involved with, and/or YouTube videos) and the other two are blogs. (And of the two blog sources, The Huffington Post is widely read enough that it would be an acceptable source if the rest of the referencing around it were more solid -- but it's not a source that can carry GNG all by itself if it's the best thing you can find.) She may have done interesting work and she was probably an awesome person, but unfortunately there's just nowhere near enough legitimate sourcing here to hang an encyclopedia article on. Bearcat (talk) 05:34, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. TopCipher (talk) 06:19, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bibliographies-related deletion discussions. TopCipher (talk) 06:19, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. TopCipher (talk) 06:19, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
- Keep: Bearcat - trust that the primary concern for this AFD is sourcing and not notability and I agree with your assessment; although it has potential, just not in it's current state, I suppose it would be trumped by the fact that notability guidelines do not apply to content within an article or article content does not determine notability and quite importantly, notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article; also, here are some of the other references that I was able to source (not listed in any order of significance)-
1. Widely cited by subject's peers in various books
2. Played casting role in a documentary film
3. Similar article as HuffingtonPost on WorldNews
4. Member of the Transgender Community Panel at United States Conference on AIDS Trans Institute
I realize that most of these references do not speak "about" the subject per se, they do credibly indicate the claim of significance.
Query: Please confirm which of the citations are self-published webpages as most of the ones that I've referred are about or after her death - not that I hold any prejudice against them. I was further unable to clearly see them (webpages) as "primary sources" as I'm given to understand that they have been published by organizations / institutions that existed long before the subject was involved.
Comment: Would you happen to know anything about a 'Alexis Rivera Trailblazer Award'? Saw a mention here. Thanks. TopCipher (talk) 07:17, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
- Keep: Obviously I'm the primary author so my vote is biased. Responding to TopCipher, I can tell you that Trans Pride is Los Angeles local transgender pride celebration [1], and gives an award every year recognizing a local transgender advocate. Since Alexis death in 2012, the award has been titled the Alexis Rivera Trailblazer Award in honor of Alexis work. Further references can be found here: [2], [3], [4].
Query: Part of what makes Alexis Rivera important is she was an advocate 15 years ago, at a time when the transgender community was largely invisible to mainstream society. As a result, there is very little documented media from that time period (and what there is did not make it to the internet). Is there a recommended method for sourcing articles about communities are rarely written about in major media sources? I am committed to improving this article as the primary author based on the feedback here. Techgirlwonder (talk) 12:49, 24 April 2017 (UTC)