Talk:Kurdish tanbur

Tambur is the name used to refer to a long necked stringed instruments used in Turkish music. The tambur has a long, fretted neck, and a smaller, bowl-shaped body. It has seven strings; six of them are grouped in pairs, with a seventh lower-pitched string. It has a rich, raspy sound, and can be plucked or bowed. Tamburs are generally only played in traditional Ottoman classical music

Tembûr

Tembûr is also the name of a Kurdish string instrument played in south eastern Kurdistan (region of Kirmaşan/Iranian Kurdistan). It's a sacred and mostly religious instrument used by sufis to reach the state of ecstacy in a musical tradition that is considered one of the most ancient and deep-rooted musical traditions in the world. Recently, tembûr players like Ali Akbar Moradi have begun to make it more secular and release albums containing music played by this instrument

tembûr

The tembûr is thought to be the origin of some Persian instruments such as the setar

Article cleanup

I have reverted this article to an earlier version. I happened to come across this article, and it seemed to be talking about a variety of instruments with similar names. It turns out that a large amount of text had been pasted in from pandura. I think perhaps that some instruments that might be called a tambura had been included, as well. I have linked to these articles from a new "See also" section. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 05:48, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Clarification

I am admittedly not familiar with the Pandura, but Tanbur or Tanbour as used in Iran is very different from the instrument described in this article. I think this article should be expanded to clear up the ambiguity.

The basic Iranian tanbur, used mostly in sacred mystical gatherings as one post above noted, had two strings. In the 20th century, an Iranian musician by the name of Ostad Elahi added a third string to the Tanbour and perfected its repertoire. The instrument that is played in Turkish music is very different from the Iranian Tanbour (no Iranian tanbour I have ever heard of has 7 strings; there is an 8-string instrument which sounds markedly different and is called Chogur. Persian Instruments. I'm not qualified to opine on Turkish instruments, but this article is misleading for those who are looking for the Persian Tanbur that looks and sounds nothing like what has been described here. —the preceding comment is by 209.191.175.203 - 16:16, 7 April 2006: Please sign your posts!

Copyright violation

An anonymous editor added text that was apparently copied from here. This same text had also appeared in the Pandura article (also see Talk:Pandura. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 21:10, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Incomplete

I've added the {{Incomplete}} tag to the article because it only addresses the Turkish tanbur. From what I gather there is a similar Persian instrument with the same name (see link in "Copyright violation" section) and there may be other uses. I realize this article is already tagged as a "stub," but that generally means the content needs to be expanded. I wish to point out that the scope of the article needs to be expanded, as well (I almost added {{globalize}} but it didn't seem quite right). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 21:31, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

And now I've just noticed that someone had already mentioned this issue in the "Clarification" section. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 21:32, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Suggestion to split Tanbur articles

I suggest that this article be split up into different articles that discuss tanburs from different musical traditions. I'm the person that originally created this article over a year ago. I originally created it with the Turkish tanbur in mind, however over time, a number of great additions were made discusing the Persian tanbur, as well as the instrument by that name from other traditions. Now, the article has been modified enough so that it's basically a page that focuses on the Persian tanbur, with mention that it appears in other traditions.

I think it's become to confusing to have one article represent this instrument in all it's traditions, so I suggest a disambiguation page that points to different pages that discuss tanburs from different countries. I welcome any discussion on this suggestion. jeff.lopez-stuit 18:48, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I would say go for it. There was (actually, still is) a similar issue with the Pandura article; see Talk:Pandura. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:06, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Evolution?

The last para compares the "evolution" of this instrument to "evolutionary theory of punctuated equilibrium". Man-made things do not evolve, i.e. develop spontaneously; they are developed by their designers. Besides, any man-made thing follows this kind of development: a thing is made good enough, and when the utilization of that thing outgrows its design, it is developed further (cars, computers, crockery... anything you can think of). If it needs saying at all, it would be better simply to mention that the tanbur has throughout its history been developed in phases.

References

This article makes a lot of major claims about the historic nature of the tambur, but with no solid references except to a couple of websites which are obviously "pro-tanbur" sites. At least one of the editors on this article also seems to have a history of posting unreferenced information in other articles as well, so as to avoid future problems, I would like to see some additional references from more reliable sources in this article, or perhaps for it to be edited down with fewer grandiose adjectives. --Elonka 19:55, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Tanbur is a Turkic instrument

Tanbur is a Turkic instrument, it derives from the earlier "Kopuz", the Persian instrument your describing is not the Turkic Tanbur, its a totally different instrument with a different sound.