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::{{re|Mar4d}} That RfC explicitly involves the India-Pakistan conflict, so you need to disengage from that specific discussion. Topic bans are broadly construed, and this fits within that. I will trust this was a genuine mistake, so I don't believe any sanction is necessary at this time, but please withdraw the comment you made and steer clear going forward. ~ [[User:BU Rob13|<b>Rob</b><small><sub>13</sub></small>]]<sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">[[User talk:BU Rob13|Talk]]</sup> 19:16, 28 September 2018 (UTC) |
::{{re|Mar4d}} That RfC explicitly involves the India-Pakistan conflict, so you need to disengage from that specific discussion. Topic bans are broadly construed, and this fits within that. I will trust this was a genuine mistake, so I don't believe any sanction is necessary at this time, but please withdraw the comment you made and steer clear going forward. ~ [[User:BU Rob13|<b>Rob</b><small><sub>13</sub></small>]]<sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">[[User talk:BU Rob13|Talk]]</sup> 19:16, 28 September 2018 (UTC) |
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::: {{ping|BU Rob13}} Can you please clarify how and where the inclusion of Pakistan on [[Regional power]] spills over into the conflict area? I was involved in that discussion for days, and not once did the conflict area come up, nor remotely was it within scope. My detailed involvement there, post-ban, has been quite strictly limited to providing sources and reference-checking on Pakistan. Am I supposed to withdraw from a topic now, which I'm not banned from editing in the first place, and where I'm directly involved? This seems like a deliberate abuse of the [[WP:RFC]] process to be honest, and if it's true, it's clearly a bad-faith set up meant to systemically exclude me from something I'm ''not banned from''. '''[[User:Mar4d|<span style="color: green;">Mar4d</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|<span style="color: green;">talk</span>]]) 19:29, 28 September 2018 (UTC) |
::: {{ping|BU Rob13}} Can you please clarify how and where the inclusion of Pakistan on [[Regional power]] spills over into the conflict area? I was involved in that discussion for days, and not once did the conflict area come up, nor remotely was it within scope. My detailed involvement there, post-ban, has been quite strictly limited to providing sources and reference-checking on Pakistan. Am I supposed to withdraw from a topic now, which I'm not banned from editing in the first place, and where I'm directly involved? This seems like a deliberate abuse of the [[WP:RFC]] process to be honest, and if it's true, it's clearly a bad-faith set up meant to systemically exclude me from something I'm ''not banned from''. '''[[User:Mar4d|<span style="color: green;">Mar4d</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|<span style="color: green;">talk</span>]]) 19:29, 28 September 2018 (UTC) |
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::::The way the RfC is set up, it does include specific mention of the conflict as a relevant factor in deciding the question under discussion, {{U|Mar4d}}. Having said that, I do take your point and will dig into this further. If it becomes apparent that there are broader issues in this topic area with the editor who started the RfC, perhaps a topic ban is in order there. I ''am'' acutely aware that editors on both "sides" of this dispute have used tactics aimed at excluding those on the other side, so it is important to me that enforcement is handled evenly. ~ [[User:BU Rob13|<b>Rob</b><small><sub>13</sub></small>]]<sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">[[User talk:BU Rob13|Talk]]</sup> 21:14, 28 September 2018 (UTC) |
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Hi BU Rob13. It seems that Mar4d has violated his topic ban[1] by commenting in a thread that concerns India-Pakistan conflicts. Sdmarathe (talk) 18:48, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- BU Rob13: Sdmarathe is deliberately misrepresenting my involvement, which I would strongly take the liberty to refute. Please note that I have been active on that talk page much after the 'topic ban' at this section, as well as on an WP:NPOVN noticeboard discussion concerning the same issue, and that my participation there is strictly limited to the inclusion of Pakistan on that article. The above accusation, if not downright misleading, is factually evasive and frivolously twisting. Pinging admins Ivanvector and RegentsPark, please... Mar4d (talk) 19:10, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- @Mar4d: That RfC explicitly involves the India-Pakistan conflict, so you need to disengage from that specific discussion. Topic bans are broadly construed, and this fits within that. I will trust this was a genuine mistake, so I don't believe any sanction is necessary at this time, but please withdraw the comment you made and steer clear going forward. ~ Rob13Talk 19:16, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- @BU Rob13: Can you please clarify how and where the inclusion of Pakistan on Regional power spills over into the conflict area? I was involved in that discussion for days, and not once did the conflict area come up, nor remotely was it within scope. My detailed involvement there, post-ban, has been quite strictly limited to providing sources and reference-checking on Pakistan. Am I supposed to withdraw from a topic now, which I'm not banned from editing in the first place, and where I'm directly involved? This seems like a deliberate abuse of the WP:RFC process to be honest, and if it's true, it's clearly a bad-faith set up meant to systemically exclude me from something I'm not banned from. Mar4d (talk) 19:29, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- The way the RfC is set up, it does include specific mention of the conflict as a relevant factor in deciding the question under discussion, Mar4d. Having said that, I do take your point and will dig into this further. If it becomes apparent that there are broader issues in this topic area with the editor who started the RfC, perhaps a topic ban is in order there. I am acutely aware that editors on both "sides" of this dispute have used tactics aimed at excluding those on the other side, so it is important to me that enforcement is handled evenly. ~ Rob13Talk 21:14, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- @BU Rob13: Can you please clarify how and where the inclusion of Pakistan on Regional power spills over into the conflict area? I was involved in that discussion for days, and not once did the conflict area come up, nor remotely was it within scope. My detailed involvement there, post-ban, has been quite strictly limited to providing sources and reference-checking on Pakistan. Am I supposed to withdraw from a topic now, which I'm not banned from editing in the first place, and where I'm directly involved? This seems like a deliberate abuse of the WP:RFC process to be honest, and if it's true, it's clearly a bad-faith set up meant to systemically exclude me from something I'm not banned from. Mar4d (talk) 19:29, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- @Mar4d: That RfC explicitly involves the India-Pakistan conflict, so you need to disengage from that specific discussion. Topic bans are broadly construed, and this fits within that. I will trust this was a genuine mistake, so I don't believe any sanction is necessary at this time, but please withdraw the comment you made and steer clear going forward. ~ Rob13Talk 19:16, 28 September 2018 (UTC)