User talk:Dominic

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Re: YouTube

You misunderstand me... I didn't find ANY that were acceptable in my random sample. What I found was 60% were links to copyrighted material. Most of the reset were either potential copyrights or for-sure fair use or non-copyrighted material but still not a good source in the article.

However, I'd recommend leaving the template in place for now. I'm going to use it to "spam" a recommendation on article talk pages to review the YouTube links for inclusion. (we have 11,000 links to YT and likely only 2% are actually acceptable) ---J.S (t|c) 10:03, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Great list. Is there any way to sort it alphabetically and/or break it up into smaller pages? ---J.S (t|c) 04:48, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I reformatted your list so it's alphabetical and a bit smaller in KB. I also changed the links to point directly to the talk pages. User:J.smith/YouTube Linklist I'm going to set up AWB and start adding the notes on the talk pages. Want to give me a hand? ---J.S (t|c) 21:03, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Are large IP blocks AO?

I can't tell from looking at them as a not-yet-admin, but are the large /16 blocks you blocked AO blocks or complete blocks?

We got a complaint / request to unblock-en-l from someone at 70.231.245.165. If it's an AO block I'll let them know to just create an account and log in.

Thanks. Georgewilliamherbert 00:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt response on the mailing list and your note on my talk page. Georgewilliamherbert 02:02, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

India page

Hi Dcmdevit, I noticed that you are an admin, and I wanted to get some advice from you. There is a user, Hkelkar, who seemed to have suddenly appeared on the India page last week and, since then, has been very unhelpful in his edits. First he uploaded a number of pictures and cluttered up the page and got into conflict with an admin Ganeshk. Now he seems to be pushing a nationalistic POV on the abolition of sati (widow burning). Lately, he seems to have been joined by a user Bakaman (or Bakasuprman). Please see the last two sections of the talk page. He seems to come up with very obscure references, and then aggressively pushes them. The whole thing seems a little bizarre and I don't know what to do. For now, I'm not doing any thing. Please advise. Fowler&fowler 01:56, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi.Thanks for your attention to this matter. I would like your opinion of my edits regarding Sati in the India article (not the pictures part, that I have backed down on so moot point). I believe that F&F above is whitewashing Raja Ram Mohan Roy's role in the abolition of Sati and, in the process, is citing equally obscure historical references from old and backdated textbooks to advance the POV that RRR's role was subservient to the British ban. My contention is more balanced, that while the British had a significant role to play in mandating the ban, the key lobbying and grassroots activities were carried out by the Brahmo Samaj under RRR both prior to and after the nominal enforcement by the British. May I have your opinion on this matter? I take great offense at the charge of "Nationalist POV" above as I spent 3 hours in a non-nationalist section of a non-nationalist library looking up all the references that I have cited in support of my viewpoint. The refs are definitely not obscure since they are available in scholarly repositories.I find his accusations of being "unhelpful" as misleading, in poor taste and a violation of WP:AGF since present consensus is in favor of my present edits (see the talk page Talk:India). Thank you.Hkelkar 03:01, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to fill up your talk page like this, but let me present my take on this matter in a non-emotive way. There are two aspects to the issue of banning Sati, political and cultural. Culturally, there is no doubt that RRR was strongly influenced by Western thought and Western ideals into regarding the immolation of widows as inherently amoral.Thus, from a cultural standpoint, western ideals got the upper hand. The Brahmo Samaj was a unilateralist Hindu movement that had the same role in Indian history that similar reform movements in Christianity did in the west (who advanced that the immolation of "heretics" was inherently amoral, for instance).However, the implementation of this ban was largely Indian, with westerners playing a nominal role in the process. The latter is a political matter, not a cultural one.Politically, the unilateralists of the Brahmo Samaj have the upper hand here.I believe that the sentence, as it stands, reflect both aspects of the situation. I am not some rabid hesperophobiac and won't deny the cultural contribution of the Europeans in this matter. I have advanced sufficient evidence to support the contention that the political aspect was different from the cultural one.Hkelkar 03:32, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Finally, I find Fowler&fowler's accusation of "Nationalist POV" rather ironic since Nationalism is also a western concept that was embraced by Indians around the time of the Sati business. Indians had no concept of a "Nation" prior to the Europeans' dropping by.

The practice of Sati continues till this day..mostly due to religious sanction TerryJ-Ho 11:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the above nationalist speak - there is an event called the first war of independence in 1857 - that involved whole of India TerryJ-Ho 11:17, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

The practice of Sati continues till this day..mostly due to religious sanction TerryJ-Ho 11:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Mr.TerryJ-Ho,

If, your above statement is intentional, you are doing the worst thing of tarnishing the image of our country. I do not know your back-ground. Hope you will appreciate that sentiments of any person get hurt when his/her nation/religion/societies come under false attack. How would you feel, if so done to you. India has a population of 120,00,00000. I have completed 56 years in this country and sufficiently informed about things going in this country. I have moved in villages regularly and live in Mumbai from birth. I have hardly heard of one or two instance of Sati during my life of 56 yrs. You can't help the people who wants to self immolate. We have rich & poor, educated and un-educated, modern and orthodox, good and bad all kind of people like any other country would have. Sati Pratha came in social practice because of Muslims invaded small kingdoms, killed or captured males, raped and made women folk their wives. Indians mostly were strict vegetarians. Muslims are non-veg. The women preferred death over being raped or marrying for the second time against Hindu culture and customs. The pride of woman-hood and un-civilised behaviour of Muslims are the route cause of this deprecative social system. Though people like me who borned later are also full of wounds of the root cause of Muslims behaviour. Pl. don't make fun of our pitiable social system which do not exist anymore from more than 5 decades. You shall make yourself and your society a shame for such remarks. Can you show me a single evidence that the system of Sati exist and the roots are our religion? Where did you get this information from? You are a shame Mr.TerryJ-Ho. God will not forgive you for such in-human behaviour. Swadhyayee 14:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Mr. Swadhyayee I am moved by the way you have taken this issue but while I understand your sentiments - I think here on Wikipedia our purpose is not to get into projecting the image of a country or religion as we see it or correcting the deeds or (supposed) misdeeds of others but being objective and moved from the subjects themselves TerryJ-Ho 15:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Agreed about WP:NOT. But you will need to provide sufficient evidence before making controversial edits/statements.

I would like to repeat User:Swadhyayee's question: Can you show me a single evidence that the system of Sati exist and the roots are Hindu religion? Where did you get this information from?

As per WP:RS: Exceptional claims should be supported by multiple credible and verifiable sources, especially with regard to historical events or politically-charged issues.

Thanks - KNM ^Talk 16:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Mr.terryJ-HO, with due apology, I request you to have some shame. I could not find your nationality. I could find that you were using name of Mr.L.K.Adwani a prominent politician of India. Are you ashamed of using your name or some not misleading name? Are you ashamed of showing your nationality? Nothing gives you a right to wrongfully allege a nation or a religion not only on this platform but anywhere else too. Wikipedia Foundation has no right to give you such liberty. Pl. introduce yourself so we know that you are not basically anti-Indian or anti-Hindu. Tell me, what is your study of India or Hindu religion? What is the basis of your claim that Sati Pratha still exists in India and it's due to religious sanction. The worst is there is no regret in your reply. Your talk page is full with involving your controversial behaviour in the matter of our nation and our religion.

My sincere apologies to Mr.Dmcdevit to answer a rubbish charge and using your domain. Swadhyayee 16:35, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you KNM, exactly my words. By that logic, the Quran and Bible sanction slavery. We know that no religion has a monopoly on obscure socioeconomic phenomena. Sati has no real religious sanction, it was a social stain on the Rajput ladies to be done by Muslim men. That was where it emanated from, because RAjputs considered Muslim invaders unclean, and didnt want their women being done by a group of crazy genocidal maniacs. There has been one incident of sati that has actually been famous in the last 10-15 years. Sensationalist Madrassa nonsesne doesnt belong on wiki.Bakaman _Bakatalk 23:26, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

About Immigration in Bhutan

• The article deals with issues relating to the ethnic communities of Nepal. The factual presentation of the article are inaccurate at places UNHCR states that Lhotsampas have been staying in Bhutan from 19th century whereas the article states it to be of 20th century. After the recent revolution of Nepal, the ethnic communities have suddenly waken up from their peaceful dormant state to an aggressive form which can be attributed to some extent to the armed conflict of Maoists. The ethnic communities share feeling of kinship with the people who are "refugees" now. The tolerant nature of these ethnic groups had to a large extent prevented any ethnic clashed between the ethnic groups of Nepal and Druks. The article is biased and statements like

While the intent of the policy was benign and inclusive, the government not totally unreasonably, implied that the 'culture' to be preserved would be that of the northern Bhutanese. This policy therefore required citizens to wear the attire of the northern Bhutanese in public places and reinforced the status of Dzongkha as the national language. Nepali was discontinued as a subject in the schools thus bringing it at par with the status of the other languages of Bhutan, none of which are taught. Such policies were criticized at first by human rights groups as well as Bhutan's Nepalese economic migrant community, who perceived the policy to be directed against them. The Nepali immigrants claim that the Bhutanese are clinging to power at the expense of human rights, pluralism, and democratic principles. However many in Bhutan see the ethnic Nepali immigrants’ cry for pluralism and democracy as just an excuse to overwhelm and take over a lightly populated Bhutan through unrestricted immigration.

or

This act led to the increased activity of numerous groups to protest against what was seen as an injustice against resident Nepalis.

or

Thus a group of several thousand left and settled in refugee camps. The UNHCR aid provided to these people also attracted the poor from border areas of Nepal, who claimed to be refugees as well to receive aid

or

Matters reached a head in September 1990 after well organized groups comprised of 10,000 or more ethnic Nepalis from the Indian side of the border, organized protest marches in different districts, burned down schools, stripped local government officials of their national attire which they burned publicly, carried out kidnappings and murders of other ethnic Nepalis who did not join their protests. Some of the organizers of the marches were arrested and detained. However the Bhutanese government later released most of them. Those with ties to the groups responsible for the murders and kidnappings were forced to leave, but unfortunately many other innocent ethnic-Nepali citizens were coerced to leave by the angry ethnic-Nepali dissidents.

inflame and provoke the situation further. Considering the ethnic clashes, which are omnipresent in South Asia resulting poorly written and nonneutral articles like this, I propose that this article is either rewritten with a neutral point of view with references/source from United Nations and other such respeced global entities rather than some pro-Druk or pro-Lhotsampa or be deleted and kept in a deleted state till neutral point of view is established. I also would like to request the use of Lhotsampa rather than Nepali if this article is rewritten because the Bhutanese refugees are not Nepalese citizens. Its like calling John F Kennedy as Irish president.--Eukesh 21:15, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Thatcher131 12:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Block changes

Hi; User:Marskell requested unblocking of User:213.42.2.22 [1] so I adjusted it. Sorry, I should have asked you about it first. Please let me know if I broke anything, and I'll try to fix it. Or, feel free to make any changes to the block. Tom Harrison ^Talk 15:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

mail

Hi - you've got mail. Rama's arrow 16:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Wik check

Will do, though it's been a while. Jayjg ^(talk) 19:11, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Your Decision of "Unrelated" is surprising

Hi,

This is about your decision to my request about checking the sock puppetry of User:A M. Khan. Quite honestly, I am surprised at your decision. What other clear evidence should I provide if this is not sufficient. All of those accounts have been created by the same person because they are interested in the same articles. I even outlined those articles for the clerks. All of those users support each other in a very funny way. Any way, I would like to appeal against this decision. I did all the home work and still I am unable to satisfy your requirements, I am just speechless. What else should I do then?? --Marwatt 02:46, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Dmcdevit, I am very glad and really sharing a jovial moment at the time, after knowing that I was found free of chare "Using Sock-Puppets". This is not my victory, infact this is the victory of Truth. It is my faith that truth wins atlast.

Anyhow, as my fellow and Wiki-Mate User:Marwatt wrote above that ""All of those accounts have been created by the same person because they are interested in the same articles."", so does this means that I am responsible for this all? Isn't this possible that user:Marwatt creates some ID.s and start helping me and later blames that I am doing this all? Well the above provided material about me aren't proofs but they are doubtful claims.

Anyhow, I affirm that I was using a second ID before, later, when I knew that it is against WP:Polcicy, I never logged in from that ID again. But that has nothing to do with the above claim.

Thankyou for making Justice [[User:Dmcdevit], eventhough it is your duty, but I still thank to you.

Regards, A M. Khan 08:27, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration Evidence

I would like a response to my request that I made here please. If I don't get a response from you or aksi great, I will assume it's okay to use the evidence. Thanks. BhaiSaab ^talk 03:34, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

There's no reason that can't be conveyed privately to arbcom. I can forward the information to the mailing list. Dmcdevit·t 08:24, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

That's no fun, but okay. BhaiSaab ^talk 20:56, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Cerastes cerastes

It would seem that you decided to remove the YouTube external link in Cerastes cerastes based on the general assumption that YouTube contains pages that violate the copyrights of others per contributors' rights and obligations. While that may be true in some cases at YouTube, it certainly isn't when it comes to the video clips made by user "viperkeeper" at YouTube -- a Mr. Al Coritz, with whom I correspond regularly. He creates all of his own video footage and is therefore not violating anybody else's copyright by posting them on YouTube. So, what's the problem? As far as I'm concerned, his videos are generally speaking, unique, and are excellent additional material to the series of articles I'm writing here at Wikipedia. --Jwinius 11:48, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

The problem is not at all with the quality of the videos, solely their copyright status. Unfortunately, we can't take quality into account. The page linked to gives no licensing information at all. We have no reason be able to believe this is self-made and owned. If you are in correspondence with the creator, please ask him to add a source and copyright status to the videos, and then the links can be readded. Dmcdevit·t 05:53, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Who said anything about quality? Have you even seen the video? It's obviously home made! It sounds to me like you're against linking to YouTube video material on principle, simply because few (if any) of these kind of videos include copywrite information. My guess is that will be the vast majority of home-made material posted there. And how would you expect him to add source and copyright status info to all of the 53 videos he's shared with us so far? Somethings tells me he's not going to edit and upload them all a second time. Or would some blanket statement somewhere from him be enough? --Jwinius 08:54, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration

Just thought I'd point out I'm right here and have been contributing regularly since arbitration probation was put in force a few months ago. Cheers. JohnnyBGood t c VIVA! 01:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Hii

I Am Taher, and currently logged in from Dubai. I am getting an error that my IP address has been blocked from editing etc. Could you pleaes help Thanks Taher