Talk:Volodymyr Zelenskyy

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This edit summary. It refers to this article in Guardian. But I do not see anything about Zelensky there. So, I removed this claim. Welcome to re-include if it was indeed reliably published in Guardian or NBC. My very best wishes (talk) 03:39, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

The source from Ukrayina Moloda does state Ukrainian bloggers and politicians were upset that Zelensky downgraded Ukraine in front of a Russian audience, to help readers understand why Ukrainians are sensitive to this I added sources to show that Russia has invaded Ukraine. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 13:51, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

I noticed that you removed the whole content that during a 2016 festival in Jūrmala, Estonia Zelensky described Ukraine as a "beggar", as well as "an actress in a German film for adults". Although it may be a bit WP:SYNTH (done by the source that is) to claim he withdrew his request for Ukrainian government funding of 50 million hryvnias for the production of two new full-length films shortly after claiming "Ukrainians are not beggars".... but since since Zelensky is a Ukrainian presidential candidate now it looks relevant to me that 2 years ago he called the politician, whom he is now competing against, "beggar", as well as "an actress in a German film for adults". So he basically said that (among others) Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko is a prostitute. Fellow presidential candidate Poroshenko that is. I am quite sure that if Donald Trump would have claimed Hillary Clinton was "an actress in a German film for adults" back in 2014 this would be mentioned in the Wikipedia article about President Trump. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 14:07, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

I am saying that an opinion piece from Ukrayina Moloda is not a sufficiently reliable source for contentious BLP claims. The Guardian would be OK, but it does not say anything about it, contrary to your assertion, unless I am missing something. As about Trump, OK, please try to include some info to the BLP page of Trump using sources like that, and you will be reverted immediately. My very best wishes (talk) 19:30, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Well I agree with you that I do not have a sufficiently reliable source for Zelensky 2016 festival in Jūrmala, Estonia perfomance. By now I also have doubts if it is noticeable enough anyway to include in this Wikipedia article. I am waiting until sources like The Guardian and BBC News start to write about Zelensky.... if they start mentioning the 2016 festival in Jūrmala performances I will assume it is important enough to mention in the Wikipedia article about Zelensky (if they don't mention it vice-versa). But this early in the campaign it is unlikely that Zelensky will get mentioned by major English speaking newspapers/TV channels. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 20:30, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Removal of content from the article that stated Zelensky hired a tutor to learn Ukrainian

I also have a question about this edit made by My very best wishes. How can you justify that it is non-noticable that an actor who was born, educated and lives in Ukraine needs a tutor to learn or even improve his knowledge of the Ukrainian language? If an American actor born, educated and living in the USA would need to hire an English tutor you would also consider that unimportant? Besides since Zelensky is a Ukrainian presidential candidate it is relevant if his Ukrainian would be so bad it needs tutoring. The poor Ukrainian language skills of former Ukrainian prime-minister Mykola Azarov are also mentioned in his Wikipedia article. I am happy that My very best wishes tries to keep Wikipedia articles NPOV, but I do believe that it is noticeable that Zelensky needed tutoring in Ukrainian. Maybe it can be included in a more NPOV way; like "To prepare for his role in He and She Zelensky hired a Ukrainian language tutor". By the way I don't consider 1+1 a primary source.... I consider primary sources his personal website or the website of his company. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 13:34, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

This is very simple. Here is cited source. Where does it tell about the tutoring Ukrainian? On what page? Can you quotre it please? I can not verify this myself with Google translator or whatever. My very best wishes (talk) 19:30, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Well I must admit that besides I have sources that say he hired a Ukrainian language tutor I can not find sources so far about his fluency of the Ukrainian language before he hired this tutor.... So I agree with you that by now information about this tutor does not belong in this Wikipedia article. My apologies to you for my aggressive approach towords you. I see now that you only wanted this Wikipedia page to be according Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons rules. I must admit that I for a moment I thought that you thought it is normal for Ukrainian presidential candidates to badly speak Ukrainian (I am not saying Zelensky does by the way) and that they call their opponents "actors in a German film for adults".... Again, my apologies for that. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 20:14, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Sure, no problem. Once again, welcome to improve this or other pages. And BTW, I would rather avoid directly citing something from his personal web site, or something that he said, quite possibly as joke: he is an actor who specializes in making fun of other people, himself and the entire country. My very best wishes (talk) 20:57, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

It is a problem if we would avoid directly citing Zelensky now that he announced his candidacy for President... Especially since he is a frontrunner in election polls. I can not help to think he is morally obliged to only speak the truth since he announced his candidacy (the things he said before could all be jokes). — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 21:41, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

I think it would be very interesting if he wins given his role in the movie "Servant to the people". Arts becomes reality. Remember Last Action Hero? Another actor did it already. My very best wishes (talk) 22:27, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

I think that given the lack of expertise, his obvious lack of a clear plan of action and a lack of a good team around him (I do not have much faith in "Vladislav who refused to give his surname") he can only be a terrible president. Ronald Reagan had political experience as the Governor of California and a experienced team of politicians in his Republican party. Apparently Zelensky does not even want a team of experienced politicians around him, as a matter of fact to the naked eye it seems he doesn't have any team around him.... Zelensky seems so unqualified that I can not imagine any smart person to join his team.... I think that he has got nothing to gain and I have got no clue why he nominated himself other than vanity or he wants to be a puppet President for Ihor Kolomoyskyi. Wel since Zelensky was able to make me agree with a opinion article on RT News, something that I thought was impossible.... I guess it is not impossible that he would be a good president.... But I obviously doubt that very much! — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 14:59, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

I agree that creating great team is the key, but creating a team from experienced (read corrupted) Ukrainian politicians would be a terrible idea. I am sure that someone like Anatoliy Hrytsenko is a lot better qualified for the office, but we live in times when virtual reality becomes reality, pretty much like in the Last Action Hero. Putin undermined the United States using his virtual propaganda machine. Now this is going to be virtual reality of Zelensky against virtual realities of others, including the RT. P.S. Kolomoyskyi controlling Zelenskiy is absurd promoted by RT. That never works. That is what Boris Berezovskiy wanted by installing "his" presidential candidate. We know how wrong he was. But I should not WP:SOAP here... My very best wishes (talk) 16:11, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

I can't shake of the feeling that Kolomoyskyi is using Zelensky to make sure Poroshenko does not make it into the second round.... that will probably be enough for him and doesn't have to cost him much money... (Because Kolomoyskyi dislikes Poroshenko and Akhmetov.... and Poroshenko is now aligned with Akhmetov....)Ukrayinska Pravda also seems to suggest this.... Zelensky is quite popular in Southern Ukraine and Bloc Petro Poroshenko did quite well there in the 2014 parliamentary elections.... Also Zelensky seems totally dependent on Kolomoyskyi now that his film career in Russia has ended.... But I should not WP:SOAP and WP:CHRYSTAL here.... But it was nice to find out you are well informed and that we seem to be on the same wavelength 😇 (By the way I agree that these kind of games by oligarchs to get "their" candidates in power is indeed very dangerous and not a good sign of the health of a society....). — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 22:05, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Unimportant details

This edit. Why his ethnicity is important? You just included it, along with several sources (2,8 and 9). Source 2 (his brief biography) does not mention it. So should we. Source 9 does, but this is an article on an entirely different subject: Jews in Ukraine. That's fine. Please place the list from this publication in page History of the Jews in Ukraine. Why it should be here? Regardless, you need WP:Consensus to include new info to the BLP page. My very best wishes (talk) 15:49, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

• Again? Deleting referenced information just because you felt like it and then telling me "you should first discuss it on the talk page"? Is it you usual tactics in Wikipedia? Of course it is, I've seen enough of your edits. Ethnicity/religion is absolutely normal part of biographical articles, especially when it comes to media personas and politicians, and you certainly know it. I didn't add "source 2", it was already there, and you know it. Other two sources are reliable and clearly state that his family is Jewish. Another source is the recent interview to Dmitry Gordon, also reliable. All you want (as usual) is to delete the info YOU personally don't want to see in the article, for this or that reason. AveTory (talk) 16:10, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

I am sorry, but you did not explain why his ethnicity was important. Cited sources also do not explain it. Therefore, I do object including this. Now, let me cite what WP:BLP tells about it: [1]: " When material about living persons has been deleted on good-faith BLP objections ... If it is to be restored without significant change, consensus must be obtained first.". Please self-revert. You have been previously warned on your talk page. My very best wishes (talk) 16:21, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Whatever, it's not the first time you are deleting perfectly sourced information for your own biased purposes. And to make it clear to the rest (from my talk page): Your deletions are not good-faith. You are not the first timer here at Wikipedia and you know what's included into biographical articles and what's not, we had discussions about that several times. It is not even the first time you made changes to my edit - the previous day you deleted some of my text (which I don't mind after all), but was perfectly fine with the rest. What you are currently doing is vandalism. AveTory (talk) 17:44, 8 January 2019 (UTC)