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French Guiana is included in the map as a target of US anti-democratic machinations, but it is not a sovereign country. It is an overseas department and region of France. [[User talk:twaj|twaj]] <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 06:17, 18 February 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
French Guiana is included in the map as a target of US anti-democratic machinations, but it is not a sovereign country. It is an overseas department and region of France. [[User talk:twaj|twaj]] <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 06:17, 18 February 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Not a single mention of the 2015 venezuelan elections ho Maduros party LOST badly?? [[User:Sotavento|Sotavento]] ([[User talk:Sotavento|talk]]) 18:07, 24 February 2019 (UTC) |
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The 1983 elections may be mentioned to give closure to the section, but that's it. The US has not been involved in any regime change in Argentina since then. The comment about the economy is a mess: the great depression was not caused by the economic policies of the military regime, but by the economic policies of Carlos Menem, established a decade afterwards. And, as explained in greater detail in Washington Consensus#Argentina, some people may think that the crisis was caused by the policies proposed by the WC, but others think that the crisis was caused instead by local issues, such as the convertibility plan (which was not proposed by the WC). The US did not plot to remove De la Rúa from power, nor to appoint Rodríguez Saá or Duhalde: those were purely the result of local politics. Cambalachero (talk) 17:12, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
- Give some references about what you are saying. --Dereck Camacho (talk) 20:34, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
- I mentioned many things. For which one do you want a reference? If you want the full picture, I have worked on the articles of all presidents of Argentina from 1983 to 2015 and made them good articles. Cambalachero (talk) 01:24, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Well according to Wikipedia's policies you should reference everything. However the article no longer mentions De la Rúa, Saá or Duhalde. Although on that later one I think you're confussing their being mention as a result from the political and economical crisis as their being mention as named or appointed by the US. Not every single person name here was named or removed by US involvement, but a historical article should give a general picture and give as much context as possible. --Dereck Camacho (talk) 04:15, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- As it is written, the article confuses the economic crisis of the military regime and the 2001 crisis, as if they were the same one. There's almost a 20 years gap between both. De la Rua, Rodríguez Saá and Duhalde are not mentioned, but are implied, with the "provoking the resignation of several presidents" bit. Add that this article is named "United States involvement in regime change in Latin America", and the reader gets the picture that the US was somewhat involved in the 2001-2002 presidential crisis. References? The references already included will do. They do explain the 2001 crisis and the events closer in time that led to it... and then mention, as a trivia or footnote, that similar policies had been implemented many years in the past as well. Cambalachero (talk) 15:18, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry but I fail to see your problem with the text. If the text does not outright says that the changing of presidents was direct doing ot the US you can't remove something just because someone maybe somewhere somehow may assume that, and on the other hand you said that the economic crisis had nothing to do with the WC applied both during the military regime and afterwards something that I doubt. --Dereck Camacho (talk) 20:42, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- As it is written, the article confuses the economic crisis of the military regime and the 2001 crisis, as if they were the same one. There's almost a 20 years gap between both. De la Rua, Rodríguez Saá and Duhalde are not mentioned, but are implied, with the "provoking the resignation of several presidents" bit. Add that this article is named "United States involvement in regime change in Latin America", and the reader gets the picture that the US was somewhat involved in the 2001-2002 presidential crisis. References? The references already included will do. They do explain the 2001 crisis and the events closer in time that led to it... and then mention, as a trivia or footnote, that similar policies had been implemented many years in the past as well. Cambalachero (talk) 15:18, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Well according to Wikipedia's policies you should reference everything. However the article no longer mentions De la Rúa, Saá or Duhalde. Although on that later one I think you're confussing their being mention as a result from the political and economical crisis as their being mention as named or appointed by the US. Not every single person name here was named or removed by US involvement, but a historical article should give a general picture and give as much context as possible. --Dereck Camacho (talk) 04:15, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- I mentioned many things. For which one do you want a reference? If you want the full picture, I have worked on the articles of all presidents of Argentina from 1983 to 2015 and made them good articles. Cambalachero (talk) 01:24, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
French Guiana
French Guiana is included in the map as a target of US anti-democratic machinations, but it is not a sovereign country. It is an overseas department and region of France. twaj —Preceding undated comment added 06:17, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Not a single mention of the 2015 venezuelan elections ho Maduros party LOST badly?? Sotavento (talk) 18:07, 24 February 2019 (UTC)