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Response by smoothswim

Given my experience of Wikipedia so far, this title comes across as trolling (sarcasm.) Thanks! I guess... Smoothswim (talk) 23:16, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome!

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Response by smoothswim

Thanks for the tip John! I will use it to sign. Although I'm not really intending to be around here much longer. The experience so far has been horrible. I was warned that there is a toxic community here but you seem OK :) Smoothswim (talk) 23:21, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. From AnUnnamedUser ^{(open talk page)} 03:05, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Response by smoothswim

I added a response. I regret ever coming to Wikipedia and editing just to be trolled. Lesson learned. Smoothswim (talk) 00:07, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Questions

Questions can be added here:

October 2019

Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors. Thank you. bonadea contributions talk 05:01, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As another editor from MK, may I offer some friendly advice? That caution from The Management means please don't accuse other editors of vandalism or blindly revert what they have done. Wikipedia works by people having a go and accepting other editors' contributions and edits as being genuinely intended to improve the article. We don't WP:OWN the articles we create. If someone makes an edit you don't like, use the article talk page to debate it - perhaps the reason is that something wasn't clear and needed explaining better.. Wikipedia needs editors who contribute good new content (especially about Milton Keynes, but then I'm biased), anybody can tart it up. So please don't be discouraged! --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 21:05, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Response by smoothswim

Again, I feel like this is an attack and an example of toxic community here at Wikipedia. I could go on and pick at your points and offer you some friendly advice but it's a waste of both our time. Remember: Never assume. Editors must act in good faith. I never once assumed ownership of any single article despite your assertion and articles I created and edited were vandalized by a serial deleter. This is not the place for this discussion and your comment could be misconstrued as brigading. Please. Just. Stop. Smoothswim (talk) 00:07, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Buszy

Lead Section

Per WP:LEAD, the lead section should give a summary of the highlights or key points of the article. When you get a chance, you should write that.

Response by smoothswim

...And so could you or anyone else. Correct? Smoothswim (talk) 00:07, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Buszy, "fanzine" criticism

How to other skate park articles resolve the "it's just a fanzine" criticism? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 20:49, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Response by smoothswim

They don't need to. Using the "it's just a fanzine" banner is just a method of trolling used to try to discredit an editor in this example. The fact that there are over forty well researched sources proves without a shadow of a doubt that this is no fan work.

The truth is that I have skateboarded at the Buszy since 1996 and lived in the City Centre for 5 years. I grew up around all of the goings on at the place and was writing the article because no body else was. The Skate MK project and MKDP (the building's owners) haven't even tried to add anything but hearsay to Wikipedia about it's history. Hearsay, which I BTW went out of my way to find sources to validate. I suspect Skate MK could have prioritised funding to add information to Wikipedia if they thought the site had relevancy. But no one was going to write this article IMO and no one was talking about it at the meetup. The Buszy is of massive historical importance to Street Skateboarding. It is the World's first ever custom build Street Skateboarding plaza. I was of the opinion that Wikipedia was the place for factual information about that sort of thing.

If it's the trivia section, please just remove or repurpose it.

Thanks for making the point John. Smoothswim (talk) 00:07, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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-==Questions==
+===Response by [[User:smoothswim|smoothswim]]===
-===Please add any questions here===
+I added a response. I regret ever coming to Wikipedia and editing just to be trolled. Lesson learned. [[User:Smoothswim|Smoothswim]] ([[User talk:Smoothswim#top|talk]]) 00:07, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
-Like this. Thanks!
+==Questions==
+Questions can be added here:
 == October 2019 ==
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 :As another editor from MK, may I offer some friendly advice? That caution from The Management means please don't accuse other editors of vandalism or blindly revert what they have done. Wikipedia works by people [[wp:BEBOLD|having a go]] and accepting other editors' contributions and edits as being genuinely intended to improve the article. We don't [[WP:OWN]] the articles we create. If someone makes an edit you don't like, use the article talk page to debate it - perhaps the reason is that something wasn't clear and needed explaining better..  Wikipedia needs editors who contribute good new content (especially about Milton Keynes, but then I'm biased), anybody can tart it up. So please don't be discouraged! --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 21:05, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
+===Response by [[User:smoothswim|smoothswim]]===
-== The Buszy, lead section ==
+Again, I feel like this is an attack and an example of toxic community here at Wikipedia. I could go on and pick at your points and offer you some friendly advice but it's a waste of both our time.
+Remember: '''Never assume'''.
+Editors must '''act''' in good faith. I never once assumed ownership of any single article despite your assertion and articles I created and edited were vandalized by a serial deleter.
+This is not the place for this discussion and your comment could be misconstrued as brigading. Please. Just. Stop. [[User:Smoothswim|Smoothswim]] ([[User talk:Smoothswim#top|talk]]) 00:07, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
+==[[The_Buszy|The Buszy]]==
+===Lead Section===
 Per [[WP:LEAD]], the lead section should give a summary of the highlights or key points of the article. When you get a chance, you should write that.
+===Response by [[User:smoothswim|smoothswim]]===
-How to other skate park articles resolve the "it's just a fanzine" criticism? --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 20:49, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
+...And so could you or anyone else. Correct? [[User:Smoothswim|Smoothswim]] ([[User talk:Smoothswim#top|talk]]) 00:07, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
-== How to write articles that won't be deleted ==
+===[[The_Buszy|The Buszy]], "fanzine" criticism===
+How to other skate park articles resolve the "it's just a fanzine" criticism? --[[User:John Maynard Friedman|John Maynard Friedman]] ([[User talk:John Maynard Friedman|talk]]) 20:49, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
+===Response by [[User:smoothswim|smoothswim]]===
-This is part of [[User:Ian.thomson/Guide|a larger guide covering most issues that newer users face]], which you should consider checking out.
+They don't need to. Using the "it's just a fanzine" banner is just a method of trolling used to try to discredit an editor in this example. The fact that there are over forty well researched sources proves without a shadow of a doubt that this is no fan work.
-If you're going to write an article about anyone or anything ''that is not [[WP:COI|you or something you are connected to]]'', here are the steps you should follow:
-:1) Choose a topic whose [[WP:N|notability]] is attested by discussions of it in several reliable ''independent'' sources.
-:2) Gather as many [[WP:RS|professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources]] you can find.  [[Google Books]] is a good resource for this.  Also, while search engine results are not sources, they are where you can find sources.  Just remember that they need to be professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources.
-:3) Focus on just the ones that are not dependent upon or affiliated with the subject, but still specifically about the subject and providing in-depth coverage (not passing mentions).  If you do not have at least three such sources, the subject is not yet notable and trying to write an article at this point will only fail.
-:4) [[Abstract (summary)|Summarize]] those sources left after step 3, adding [[WP:CITE|citations]] at the end of them.  You'll want to do this in a program with little/no formatting, like [[Microsoft Notepad]] or [[Notepad++]], and not in something like [[Microsoft Word]] or [[LibreOffice]] Writer.  Make sure this summary is just bare statement of facts, phrased in a way that even someone who hates the subject can agree with.
-:5) Combine overlapping summaries (without [[WP:SYNTH|arriving at new statements that no individual source supports]]) where possible, repeating citations as needed.
-:6) [[Paraphrase]] the whole thing just to be extra sure you've avoided any [[WP:COPYVIO|copyright violations or plagiarism]].
-:7) Use the [[Wikipedia:Article_wizard|Article wizard]] to post this draft and wait for approval.
-:8) Expand the article using sources you put aside in step 3 (but make sure they don't make up more than half the sources for the article, and make sure that affiliated sources don't make up more than half of that).
+The truth is that I have skateboarded at the Buszy since 1996 and lived in the City Centre for 5 years. I grew up around all of the goings on at the place and was writing the article because no body else was. The Skate MK project and MKDP (the building's owners) haven't even tried to add anything but hearsay to Wikipedia about it's history. Hearsay, which I BTW went out of my way to find sources to validate. I suspect Skate MK could have prioritised funding to add information to Wikipedia if they thought the site had relevancy.
-Doing something besides those steps typically results in the article not being approved, or even in its deletion.
+But no one was going to write this article IMO and no one was talking about it at the meetup.
+The Buszy is of massive historical importance to [[street_skateboarding|Street Skateboarding]]. It is the World's first ever custom build Street Skateboarding plaza.
+I was of the opinion that Wikipedia was the place for factual information about that sort of thing.
+If it's the trivia section, please just remove or repurpose it.
-If you are writing ''about yourself, or someone or something you are connected with (such as a friend, family member, or your business)'', the following steps are different:
-:1) If the subject really was notable, you wouldn't need to write the article.  Remember that [[WP:OWN|articles are owned by the Wikipedia community as a whole, not the article subject or the article author]].  If you do not want other people to write about you, then starting an article about yourself is a bad idea.
-:8a) If the article is accepted, never edit it again.  Instead, make [[WP:ER|edit requests]] on the article's [[WP:TALK|''talk page'']].
-:8b) If the article is rejected, there will be a reason given.  Read it carefully and closely.  If there are links in the reason, open them and read those pages.
-[[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson|talk]]) 23:25, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
+Thanks for making the point John. [[User:Smoothswim|Smoothswim]] ([[User talk:Smoothswim#top|talk]]) 00:07, 5 October 2019 (UTC)