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::[[User:Rjensen|Rjensen]], any opinion? [[User:Srnec|Srnec]] ([[User talk:Srnec|talk]]) 23:37, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
::[[User:Rjensen|Rjensen]], any opinion? [[User:Srnec|Srnec]] ([[User talk:Srnec|talk]]) 23:37, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
:::Negative. The proposed new title is all about one small fragment of the story told here--in which complex alliances are central. The current title is part of the series on Germany/Russia/France etc "entry into WWI". When did the WORLD war I start? No one ever declared a WORLD war, each country separately declared war on one of more enemies on different dates within a few days. So for example it was not yet a "world" war when Germany invaded Belgium. the title "world war" came later -- in 1914 every side called it the "Great War" -- There is no debate among the RS about the start or the name (the huge debate is about guilt) -- Compare WWII and Cold War whose start dates are controversial. Likewise the companion articles explain why Italy and USA did NOT enter the war in 1914 but did so later.[[User:Rjensen|Rjensen]] ([[User talk:Rjensen|talk]]) 00:08, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
:::Negative. The proposed new title is all about one small fragment of the story told here--in which complex alliances are central. The current title is part of the series on Germany/Russia/France etc "entry into WWI". When did the WORLD war I start? No one ever declared a WORLD war, each country separately declared war on one of more enemies on different dates within a few days. So for example it was not yet a "world" war when Germany invaded Belgium. the title "world war" came later -- in 1914 every side called it the "Great War" -- There is no debate among the RS about the start or the name (the huge debate is about guilt) -- Compare WWII and Cold War whose start dates are controversial. Likewise the companion articles explain why Italy and USA did NOT enter the war in 1914 but did so later.[[User:Rjensen|Rjensen]] ([[User talk:Rjensen|talk]]) 00:08, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

This is a rare and excellent article. Sad that truth must be hidden in obscure headers due too political revisionism. The Fischer School dominates the abbreviated convenient variant of history where the German general staff is somehow to blame for the war ex post facto. The world had been turned upside down since 1904 and I believe that is where the article should begin. Still very detailed analysis and thanks to the authors.

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The title of the article seems a little odd given that there was no ongoing WWI for Austria-Hungary to enter when it declared war on Serbia. I note that article does not describe how Austria-Hungary came to be at war with Britain, France, Russia, Italy, Japan, Portugal, etc. Perhaps move it to Austro-Hungarian declaration of war on Serbia? At least for now. Srnec (talk) 17:45, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support.(KIENGIR (talk) 20:14, 24 November 2018 (UTC))[reply]
Rjensen, any opinion? Srnec (talk) 23:37, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Negative. The proposed new title is all about one small fragment of the story told here--in which complex alliances are central. The current title is part of the series on Germany/Russia/France etc "entry into WWI". When did the WORLD war I start? No one ever declared a WORLD war, each country separately declared war on one of more enemies on different dates within a few days. So for example it was not yet a "world" war when Germany invaded Belgium. the title "world war" came later -- in 1914 every side called it the "Great War" -- There is no debate among the RS about the start or the name (the huge debate is about guilt) -- Compare WWII and Cold War whose start dates are controversial. Likewise the companion articles explain why Italy and USA did NOT enter the war in 1914 but did so later.Rjensen (talk) 00:08, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is a rare and excellent article. Sad that truth must be hidden in obscure headers due too political revisionism. The Fischer School dominates the abbreviated convenient variant of history where the German general staff is somehow to blame for the war ex post facto. The world had been turned upside down since 1904 and I believe that is where the article should begin. Still very detailed analysis and thanks to the authors.