Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Maryland roads

Portal:Maryland roads

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Intersection portal (Portal:Maryland ∩ Portal:Roads). Subportals based in Intersections are per se a narrow topic. Expanding a subportal based on an Intersection topic is to include redundant material with both parent portals. At a time when discussing whether second level country divisions are broad topics, surely a state's road network does not support a portal. On the portal page is already shown a scheme that demonstrates a fifth level of subportal, the community decided not to have ten thousand portals, so decided not to have similar specific portals that one. Not supported by specific wikiproject. Guilherme Burn (talk) 17:06, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• Keep. This portal was previously discussed earlier this year at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/State-level road portals, and the decision there was to keep. It is bad process to continually nominate portals that are kept at MfD, of course not pinging the previous participants, until a delete result is finally reached. UnitedStatesian (talk) 17:47, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

@UnitedStatesian The previous group MfD was more then six months ago, so it's perfectly valid to have a new individual MfD and not ping long ago participants. Your vote is keepist fluff not based on any actual merit of the portal or Wikipedia policy. Newshunter12 (talk) 07:10, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

@UnitedStatesian: An {{Old MfD}} in talk page and I would not have started this mfd, Sorry.Guilherme Burn (talk) 18:18, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• Keep - Portal topic is not too narrow, there are enough articles, pictures, and DYK hooks to sustain it. Portal is also maintained. I should also note we have Portal:California roads and Portal:Michigan highways. Dough4872 17:50, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

@Dough4872 While this portal is maintained by you, it has only a median of three views per day, which is a background noise of your own visits to the portal and search bots. This portal isn't for readers, it's for you, which is why you are voting to keep it. Newshunter12 (talk) 07:10, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

• Delete Very narrow niche topic that doesn't need a portal for readers to explore it. Had an abysmal pure background noise four views per day in the first half of 2019, which was still fluffed up from a median of three views per day by the previous MfD. Since the previous group MfD was more then six months ago, there is no reason a new individual MfD cannot be held. While the portal has a maintainer, it's clear to any rational person that this portal is for them, not the readers who have clearly shunned it. Newshunter12 (talk) 07:10, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
• Keep, despite being an intersection portal there is a large amount of good material here, there is a maintainer, and no problems with the actual content have been exhibited in the nomination. "Low page views" is on the list of arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. Eevn if there is "little need" for this portal, it is entirely unclear how deleting it improves Wikipedia. —Kusma (t·c) 13:55, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
• Delete - I do not agree that all portals whose subject matter is the intersection of other portals should be deleted. However, the parent portals should be assessed, and taken into account. As noted, the decision to keep this portal was made six months ago, and did not assess viewing and maintenance as thoroughly as has been done in recent months.
  • This portal is being currently maintained. It is one of the few portals that still has the article-of-the-month style that was common in the previous decade. In the case of this portal, refreshing (purging) the portal does not bring up a new article, but restores the article of the month, so that only one article can be viewed (other than from behind the portal).
  • The portal had a mean of | 4 daily pageviews in the first half of 2019, and that was inflated by high viewing during the time of the previous MFD. The median in the first half of 2019 was 3 daily pageviews. The head article Maryland highway system had an average of | 7 daily pageviews, which is not much of an improvement. (There has never been a requirement that articles have large numbers of readers. This one does not. But articles with small numbers of readers seldom support portals.)
  • The portal is being maintained, in its own way, but that does not provide a way to browse the subject matter, that is, Maryland roads, which can be done via Category: Lists of roads in Maryland. The portal, by its architecture, is not a useful navigational device. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:27, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
• Keep—in addition to reasons given above, this is supported by a specific project: WP:USRD. Page views are not a rationale for deletion. Imzadi 1979 → 18:41, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
• Keep - The number of article that are FA and GA are sufficient here. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 01:28, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Data on Maryland Portals

Title Portal Page Views Article Page Views Percent Comments Articles Notes Baseline Deleted Parent Portal Type Maryland roads 3 7 42.86% Originated 2012 by current editor. Continues to have article-of-the-month format, so that only selected article can be viewed. As of 15Nov2019, Oct2019 article is most recent. 1 Jan19-Jun19 FALSE Maryland Transport Maryland 15 3315 0.45% Originator inactive since 2016. 12 Jan19-Feb19 FALSE United States State Roads 23 748 3.07% Originated 2007 by sporadic editor, last edit in April 2019. Articles have various maintenance through 2018. 22 Jan19-Jun19 FALSE Transport U.S. roads 29 Originator came in 2006, did their thing, went in 2006. Has another maintainer. Complex structure of monthly articles current through July 2019. No single head article. 168 Many Do You Knows, not researched. Jan19-Jun19 FALSE Transport

• Note to closing admin. I don't want in any way to prejudge the outcome ... but if you close this discussion as delete, please can you not remove the backlinks? I have a bot (BHGbot 4) which allows me to easily replace them with links to the next most specific portal(s), without creating duplicate entries.

In this case I think that the appropriate new links would be to Portal:Maryland + Portal:U.S. Roads. Alternative suggestions welcome. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:53, 18 November 2019 (UTC)