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Naruto Hurricane Chronicles

When N.H.C. comes out does that mean we'll be under N.H.C. or Naruto or both? Also will have to move some characters (when they get their own articles that is) will be under N.H.C. and others won't? Where will Itachi and Kisame be at. I'll help any way I can (looks like I'll have to wait to ask for a Hidan article until after all this B.S. is over).Sam ov the blue sand 17:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Hidan won't need an article unless he gets a ton of backstory and/or survives the current battle and goes on to do something important. Nemu 17:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I know that and that wasn't my question my question is about N.H.C.Sam ov the blue sand 18:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're talking about. We won't have to move any characters in this article if that's what you're asking. The Splendiferous Gegiford 18:34, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

(sigh) What I'm trying to say is that when every member has his or her own article, are they going to be under Naruto Hurricane Chronicles (which will probaly have it's own article like DBZ) or under Naruto. Sorry if I confused you with my onslaught of questions.Sam ov the blue sand 19:27, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

It's the same basic series in the manga, so it won't really matter. And what do you mean "under"? The Splendiferous Gegiford 19:32, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes I know that it's the same basic series in the manga so was DBZ but it has it's own article because it's considered a diffferent series and Naruto Hurricane Chronicles will be considered a different anime series apart from Naruto, so it will have it's own article. And what I mean "under" is where will the members (from akatsuki) be at, Naruto Hurricane Chronicles or Naruto because some are exclusive to Naruto Hurricane Chronicles and others aren't.Sam ov the blue sand 19:50, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

They aren't going to be moved to a different article just for the anime's sake if that's what you're asking; there won't be a Naruto Akatsuki page and a Hurricane Akatsuki page. At best, there'll be a single sentence saying they appear only in the Hurricane Chronicles, and that'll be it. ~SnapperTo

Well at least someone gets what I'm saying but I'm not talking about the Akatsuki page I'm talking about akatsuki member articles like Sasori's article where will he go, Naruto or N.H.C.Sam ov the blue sand 20:09, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Nowhere. They're the same series. It's just a timeskip. One sentence explaining that fact is all that will be added. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Technacly when N.H.C. comes out it won't be the same series.Sam ov the blue sand 20:20, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

"Technically" it will be the same series. Same characters (mostly), same setting, same overall plot. We're not going to be shuffing around every character into different places when the manga and anime essentially follow the same path. This isn't like Dragon Ball where the anime breaks apart the content and retitles it several times. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:22, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

OK whatever you say Someguy.Sam ov the blue sand 00:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Sam, it will be the same series, just under a new banner to express the change from filler to standard storyline. Just as it went form Naruto to Kakashi Gaiden back to Naruto II. It's all the same story, all the same people, nothing will change but the name. It's not like DB GT, where every thing has a differnt age connotation, for NHC, it will all have the same connection as it did just after the Kakashi Gaiden miniseries ended. Nothing to worry about, no major changes will be made. It's all going to be the same, with perhaps a few refrences to filler epps in the anime. 05:27, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Kakuzu

Has anyone read the latest chapter? (333) Should some mention be made of what's happened? -Retlor

Yes, I think it should... After all, it's all definite fact now, why should it not be included straight away?

It's already in there. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 19:37, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

At the end of some manga translations it says that "Kakuzu is finished only Hidan remains" or something like that, depends on where you get it from. Should it be added that he might possibly be deceased?Sam ov the blue sand 21:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

We don't deal in possibles. He's either dead or he isn't. Right now, he isn't. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

But on Asuma's page when he was possibly killed they put (deceased)? next to his age, shouldn't we do the same? Sam ov the blue sand 22:05, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

You're mistaken. That was added when he was confirmed to be dead, not before. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Well if you say so, but I still think I saw it on Asuma's page before hand. Ah never mind.Sam ov the blue sand)Template:Emot 22:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, it was put on his page before the raw of chapter 328 was out because several sources had confirmed that Asuma was dead in that chapter. It was only added the day before the full raw came out, though. The Splendiferous Gegiford 00:29, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Should Kakuzu's entry be editted to clarify that he can completely separate his limbs where they are attatched by those black rope like tenticles? its clearly shown in 333 that they move on their own when detatched. as it is now its a tad ambiguous. Xeago Xeago 00:00, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

They were underground, not moving on their own. Kakuzu remained connected to them the entire time. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

It does happen. It also helps to get a better quality scan mid-discussion. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I think Xeago is right... Kakuzu's arm seemes to be severed from the rest of him if you look closely on page 5-6... The "threads" that extends from Kakuzu's hand doesn't reconnect with his arm until page 6... On the other hand (no pun intended), we should not put things up just because of their appearence but only as they truly ARE.

Look closely at those pages. Specifically, read the bottom left panel on 5. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:28, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Actaully, on close inspection, I hadn't noticed that Kakuzu was standing up beforehand. I guess he can control them remotely. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:33, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that's right... Don't just judge by the text (from a fan dub above all), a picture can say more than a thousand words... Wait a second, does this mean that Someguy is admitting defeat? I don't think I've EVER experienced that before... This is totally weird o_O!

Helps to get a better scan halfway through. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:33, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Issue 333, page 4. You see Kakuzu's Sleeve partialy cut off by Hidan's 3xScyth, no tendrils, no connection to Kakuzu. Page 4, the arm is shown snatching the trench knife out of the shadow (top of page), then it tosses it aside and hits the ground (much like you do when you get up). There is a pool of the black tendril stuff that comes out of the ground with no connection to Kakuzu shown. It then flies back to Kakuzu through the air (bottom of page 5), not back underground. If it was still connected at that point it would have had to do more damage to the ground between K. and the Trench Knife. Also, there are tendrils come out of the goo that are not connected to the hand, I think that this can mean two things: first, that the limbs cannot move themselves, but rather that the goo animates the limbs, and two, that the goo is actuly blood. My hypothesis (which will never see main page until it's proven or disproven) is that like Sasori, Kakuzu has sacrificed much of his humanity for the power that he has. This follows the deep running theme of the Akatsuki, and if I am right, Kakuzu not only survived the attack by Kakashi, but also is forced to show his true form. I expect to see at least a couple more issues with battle between them before either Hidan or Kakuzu are incapacitated.65.92.233.87 02:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, that last one was me. Still getting the hang of it.Xeago 02:57, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I've already changed my position, but that's a good analysis (the first half of it, anyway) for anyone else questioning it. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Once again, Xeago and I think alike, but I believe that Kakuzu's ability is more like Kidoumaru's web skills IE. He mixes chakra into his blood and then remotly controls his detatced limbs with the chakra flow thoughout them... Actully, I've had the theory that Kakuzu and Hidan are mirror images of eachother... Think about it, Hidan is a religious fanatic, Kakuzu is a obsessive materialist, Hidan is a loud bigmouth, Kakuzu is down to earth and reserved, Hidan is immortal but rather weak and vaunrable in general, Kakuzu is mortal but he is strong and nearly indestructable... See any patterns here?

He is dead, kakashi used raikiri through his heart. if you read the chapter kakshis hand is coming out his body.

You don't know that he's dead. You don't know that his heart was where Kakashi hit him. We already know he has exstensive body mods, but we don't know how far they go. The simple fact that he can separate part of his body while retaining control is a huge indicator that he's played around with his physiology some how. If I were him, I wouldn't leave my my heart in it's standard place, not if I had some say in it. Xeago 02:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

What's this in Kakuzu's description about five different beings, inside of him, that allows him to control the elements? Rayfire 20:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

It's an ability he unveils in chapter 334. It's quite true, but I removed it until we can get a better description. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Where did you find 334? I'd love to see it sooner than later... Xeago

I've seen spoilers, not the chapter. That won't be out till tommorow. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:30, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

-Kakuzu definitely not dead. Also, update needed to his entry. There are now some better pictures of him we might be able to use. -Retlor

Notice the similarities between Kakuzu's eyes and those of the masks? I think that he's wearing a fifth mask that amplifies his natural elemental affinity. I'd bet a coffee that it's earth. Also, on the last page, Kakashi comments on how strong they are "Esspecialy the masked one", refering to Kakuzu still wearing a mask? Xeago 00:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm... Notice how my analysis of Kakuzu & Hidan being mirror images of each other seemes to get more and more accurate? Sure, we don't know all details yet, thus we can't jump to conclusions, but I stand for my theory... I could bet a nickle that the "masked monster" that instantly died controlled suiton and once all of those "blood golems" are dead, Kakuzu is done for... Well, that's just speculation.

Future changes?

When the english dub of the anime introduces us to the akatsuki and if they choose to name Akatsuki, "dawn" or sunrise", will this article change name into said name then? Like what happened to Maito Gai's article where he is called "Might Guy"?

First off, Might Guy is Might Guy. "Maito Gai" is nothing but an accented Japanese pronounciation. Second, we'll cross that road when we come to it. However, you can be reasonably certain that like with virtually every other orgainzation, they'll keep this name the same. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:33, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I may be wrong again but haven't they said Akatsuki before in the anime at the end of the series?Sam ov the blue sand 03:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Not in the English dub they haven't. Treima 03:39, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Well I was wrong again, but I don't think they'll change the name to Dawn or Sunrise it wouldn't sound right.Sam ov the blue sand 03:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so either, if only because there is official merchandise out there available in the States that say Akatsuki in Romaji. But, who knows. They were willing to call Rasengan "Power Strike", possibly the dumbest translation they could have possibly come up with, so I won't be surprised either way. Treima 03:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

They're not calling Rasengan "Power Strike". Maile Flanigan said she's said Rasengan before in a recording. "Power Strike" is just the temporary video game name. The Splendiferous Gegiford 21:09, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow there calling Rasengan "Power Strike" that sounds gay, so what are they calling Chidori?Sam ov the blue sand 03:53, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Chidori, but that's in the games and they don't count. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:54, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

That's good I got worried there for a second.Sam ov the blue sand 03:57, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

No, I think they called it "Lighting Blade" when Kakashi was fighting Zabuza. Sphinxridd 15:16, 1 December 2006 (EST)

Gaara vs. Sasuke is coming this month, and episode 67 is set for 12/23, so we will know the English translation soon enough. Treima 04:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

"Power Strike"? That sounds about par for the course for the manga translation. NeoChaosX (he shoots, he scores!) 18:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

It's true that Maito Gai is a katakana translation of Might Guy, but if Masashi had intended for Gai's name to truly be "Might Guy", I believe he would've settled for something like "Seiryoku Gai"... Personally, I still think that he choosed "Maito Gai" because it would be a clear referance to his strong character, but that's just me... Rasengan = Power Strike? And how many hate letters does the dubbers get each day? I'm a member of the movement that emphasizes the use of original names, both character, techniques and other things alike, instead of dubbed versions of them.

Power Strike is a video game only name. The Splendiferous Gegiford 21:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

First, i want to cleear up the chidori lightning blade thing. Chidori(one thousand birds) is a lightning element jutsu that Kakashi created. Rakiri(lightning blade/edge/cut) is a enhanced version. So what he used on Zabuza and what he taught Sasuke are different jutsu's.

I don't know what that statement is doing here (kinda off-topic), but since it is here I guess I can pay attention to it... No, Raikiri and Chidori aren't different techniques, the only difference between them is actually how "complete" the technique is... Raikiri is a S-rank technique, due to it being the "perfect" form of the Chidori (A-rank), but that's as far as differences goes... During Kakashi's training with Sasuke, he, himself, used "Raikiri" as a synonym for "Chidori" and during the chuunin exam, Gai said that "Raikiri" was the nickname Kakashi gave Chidori after cutting a lightning bolt in half (how true that statement is is still under debate).

Kisame

I just noticed the last sentence in Kisame's entry implying that using water-based jutsu without a water source is somehow impressive. But didn't Yamato create a waterfall without any apparent water source? Did I miss anything in the manga stating that only the best water-using shinobi could do this? focoma 18:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it's because Yamato has the genes of the first Hokage. Read wikipedia's entry on Yamato. Sphinxridd 15:13, 1 December 2006 (EST)

the first uses wood jutsu, the second uses water jutsus. didn't the second simply spit for a water source? is this impressive feat spitting?

When you regurgitate more water than you have lung capacity then, yes, it is. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 05:14, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Yamato did not create a waterfall out of no where, it came from the ground, he is capable of using both earth and water jutsu, and was able to draw from exsisting stuff. The second was able to summon huge ammounts of water without a source near by, either in the air, or nearby ground. Why is this here any way? Xeago 20:00, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually it might be because he has some of the first hokages dna in him wich alternatively is the 2nds brother so he has just a tad bit of the seconds abilityNaruto editor 17:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Only the second hokage and Kisame can summon water out of no where. Most water jutsu specialists need a body of water for their jutsu. Apparently the second was so skilled at water jutsu that he surpassed this limitation. I don't know if Kisame can do this because I don't remember anywhere in the manga stating that he could.

-He does it in his fight against Team Gai. -Retlor

Akatsuki Leader/Itachi

I'm gonna include how the eye pattern is similar to that of Yuhi Kurenai because it just is. Also I don't know why Itachi is listed only as a genjutsu specialist. Having the sharingan to copy jutsu of countless jonin who are sent after you since you are a missing nin will definitly make anyone a master in all three forms of jutsu. We've seen Tsukiyomi (genjutsu) and Amaterasu (ninjutsu), not to mention that exploding bushin trick (ninjutsu). so I'm gonna include both mastery on ninjutsu and genjutsu on Itachi.

Re: Leader - That would just be speculation, isn't it? Has it been confirmed in the manga that the leader and Kurenai had the same eye patterns? To me, they both have round red eyes, so do a couple other characters.--Sphinxridd 15:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)--Sphinxridd 15:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Itachi - I'm not sure how specifically 'specialist' is defined. I think I like what's in the profile right now - "Defining characteristics: Mastery of the Sharingan and Mangekyo Sharingan, extremely skilled with genjutsu and ninjutsu" The choice of words is good and the statement doesn't underestimate him.--Sphinxridd 15:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Itachi Story

I know that there was a debate about wether Itachi should get his own page. Akatsuki has a lot of members and I don't think all of them can fit on one page. Also Itachi has too little information present for him. For a guy who impacts main characters like Sasuke and Orochimaru he definitly should have more information. The problem is everytime I include stuff about his family/clan life its deleted. Since nobody else wants to do it, I'm willing to go into detail about Itachi's story and include factual not speculative things revealed about him. Don't worry I'm not gonna write 50 paragraphs; I'm just going to include as much is necessary. I'll check back this message to see if anyone has a problem with this and then I'll edit his article. Noman953 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.108.56.182 (talk) 11:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC).

You assume more than we know, which is why your information is deleted consistently. What we do know is already there. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 15:43, 7 December 2006 (UTC)