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I'm not in favor of the way many political biographies are dominated by listing their scandals, but I believe it has been disingenuous to suggest that Kennedy's gubernatorial plans were ended because he was considering running for the Senate. Kennedy himself stated his reason: "The race will focus on personal or family questions." |
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I'm not in favor of the way many political biographies are dominated by listing their scandals, but I believe it has been disingenuous to suggest that Kennedy's gubernatorial plans were ended because he was considering running for the Senate. Kennedy himself stated his reason: "The race will focus on personal or family questions."
Pam Kelly
This is an important part of Joe Kennedy's past. Please do not delete this without discussion. 209.175.173.199 15:05, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
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I am reading Arthur Schlesinger Jr.'s biography of Robert Kennedy, and on page 90, he refers to the subject of this article as "Joseph Patrick Kennedy III". Jesus geek 22:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- I believe that when someone is named after a family member, that his numeral changes if anyone in the name-line dies. That is, while Joseph P. Kennedy was alive, J P Kennedy III maintains that numeral. But when JP dies, each descendant with a numeral moves up one number. So that JP Kennedy III becomes J P Kennedy II. In this case, "II"--Joe Jr.--was already dead. He had been killed in his aircraft during World War II. Apparently, his death did not accelerate III to II. That may have something to do with his not being in the same line of descent, but being in a lateral line of descent (i.e. JP III was not descended from Joe Jr., but from Joe Jr.'s brother, RF Kennedy). But I believe that is the explanation of the numeral change. Schlesinger wrote this book while Joe Sr. was still living; hence his reference to the subject of this article with the numeral "III." I know, it is strange; how can your name change? I remember how puzzled I was when I first discovered this goyishe conundrum. It can clearly create major problems of confusion if there is one father-son pair who are both well-known. An example is John D. Rockefeller, where Jr., III (founder of the Asia Society) and IV (current Senator from W. Virginia) were (are) all independently well known. I think in this case they decided not to change their numerals when deaths occurred. Changing numerals after they are already well known would create so much confusion in writing about them (as you yourself have discovered). 66.108.105.21 19:28, 1 December 2006 (UTC)