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I have previously tried to resolve this at ANI, in which I proposed a mutual TBAN as a way of staying away from each other. Tvx1 [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=908573122 responded] by proposing I be banned from editing a range of topics, which included topics that he did not edit. There was no reason for this, except to frustrate me. In preparing for this ANI, I approached an admin, [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/936646100 who advised me] that "Tvx1 is a problem user with an incredibly long history of blatantly lying/misrepresenting policy". |
I have previously tried to resolve this at ANI, in which I proposed a mutual TBAN as a way of staying away from each other. Tvx1 [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=908573122 responded] by proposing I be banned from editing a range of topics, which included topics that he did not edit. There was no reason for this, except to frustrate me. In preparing for this ANI, I approached an admin, [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/936646100 who advised me] that "Tvx1 is a problem user with an incredibly long history of blatantly lying/misrepresenting policy". |
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=== Statement by Tvx1 === |
=== Statement by Tvx1 === |
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I will strongly stress that I never made any action with the intention of harassing or hounding Mclarenfan17 or their previous account {{u|Prisonermonkeys}}. When I decide to join a discussion anywhere I do so because of the subject and I will decide my view based on the arguments and the presented facts, not because of who the participants are. The accusation that I join discussions just to oppose Mclarenfan17 is just simply false. In fact throughout our joint history on Wikipedia there have been plenty of occasion where Mclarenfan17/Prisonermonkeys agreed. I have fruitlessly trying to explain this to them for a while. In fact multiple users have questioned there accusations against me ({{diff2|927417023|example}}). |
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For a start the first paragraph in their statement is simply false. In my entire history spanning over seven years on Wikipedia I have actually only initiated three or four ANI reports against Prisonermonkeys/Mclarenfan17. Having searched the ANI archives, the recentmost ANI report I could find in which I directly initiated it against them dates back to when they were still using the Prisonermonkeys account (though it is possible I overlooked one). Moreover these ANI reports have been initiated in the opposite direction as well. In fact they have been warned on occasion [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive936#Removal_of_sourced_content|not to jump to ANI]]. I have visited ANI nearly as much as Mclarenfan17 claims I have. And I'm not by far the only user who has reported them at ANI in the past. Only a couple of weeks ago another user [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1027#User%3AMclarenfan17|reported them]] and multiple reviewers voiced there concerns with Mclarenfan17's attitude {{Diff2|638348821|This}} is an other example of another user seriously questioning their behavior and actually giving them advice on how to improve their ways. The reports in the past were certainly not all unjustified considering that they were blocked for disruptive behavior [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Prisonermonkeys six times] with their original account. |
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Unfortunately I'm not by far the only user with whom Mclarenfan17/Prisonermonkeys has gotten into heated disputes. In order to get a more thorough view my interactions on Wikipedia, feel free to ask the opinions of the regulars of the WikiProjects I'm most active at (which are [[WP:F1]], [[WP:Rally]], [[WP:Motor]] and, to a lesser extent, [[WP:Tennis]]). |
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With the regards to the ANI thread Mclarenfan17 mentioned during which they requested being imposed on me, the various people reviewing the claims all disagreed with Mclarenfan17's stance of me being the sole cause of their problems. While restrictions were proposed, there was no agreement to impose any and following the end of that discussion and we didn't have any serious problems until a discussion regarding driver numbers in rallying enrolled over the last month. [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Motorsport#Permanent_driver_number_vs_#1_for_defending_champion_in_the_next_season_entry_list|That discussion]] was not started by me at all and I was for from the only one involved. In fact no one in that discussion agreed with Mclarenfan17. |
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Lastly the administrator they contacted is not just "an administrator". It is a specific administrator who imposed a severe block on me last summer (one of only two blocks I have incurred in my over seven year history here) and as result which I have a really bad reputation with since, which is a fact Mclarenfan17 is well aware of. In fact it was [[User_talk:Fastily/Archive_6#Upcoming_ANI|not the first time]] they contacted said administrator to complain about me. This is a situation of grave concern to me, especially since the notoriously bad image I have with that administrator and which I seem not to be able to improve despite I have completely respected the restrictions that were imposed on me upon my block being lifted.[[User:Tvx1|T]][[User Talk:Tvx1|v]][[Special:Contributions/Tvx1|x]]1 04:32, 27 January 2020 (UTC) |
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=== Statement by [[User:Chris.sherlock|Chris.sherlock]] ([[User talk:Chris.sherlock|talk]]) === |
=== Statement by [[User:Chris.sherlock|Chris.sherlock]] ([[User talk:Chris.sherlock|talk]]) === |
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No judgement from me, I can see {{u|Mclarenfan17}} feel frustrated by edits on a topic he is clearly passionate about. However, I can see a number of discussions that seem somewhat argumentative. I do compliment Mclarenfan17 for not resorting to personal attacks (at least not that I can see!), and I can see at least one case where he was provoked. However, it does seem to me that the issues aren’t hugely major. |
No judgement from me, I can see {{u|Mclarenfan17}} feel frustrated by edits on a topic he is clearly passionate about. However, I can see a number of discussions that seem somewhat argumentative. I do compliment Mclarenfan17 for not resorting to personal attacks (at least not that I can see!), and I can see at least one case where he was provoked. However, it does seem to me that the issues aren’t hugely major. |
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Harrassment and wiki-hounding
Initiated by Mclarenfan17 (talk) at 00:53, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Involved parties
- Mclarenfan17 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), filing party
- Tvx1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
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Statement by Mclarenfan17
For some time now, I have felt that Tvx1 has engaged in a sustained campaign of harrassing me, which has included wiki-hounding. This started some time around 2014 when he repeatedly referred my old account to ANI. This included selectively referring editors to ANI, directly lobbying to admins to have me blocked and trying to re-open ANI reports without following proper procedure. Most of these ANI reports followed lengthy disputes over content, and with the admins taking no action, I felt that Tvx1 was trying to use ANI to punish me for disagreeing with me.
In 2018, Tvx1's behaviour changed. He started editing articles related to the World Rally Championship, but his edit history shows that his contributions are limited to formatting articles and taking part in talk page discussions where he only ever opposes me. However, some of his edits reveal factual errors which suggest he does not understand the subject. Tvx1 is well aware that I am proud of my work in these articles, and I believe that his actions amount to wiki-hounding as he tries to frustrate my editing.
I have previously tried to resolve this at ANI, in which I proposed a mutual TBAN as a way of staying away from each other. Tvx1 responded by proposing I be banned from editing a range of topics, which included topics that he did not edit. There was no reason for this, except to frustrate me. In preparing for this ANI, I approached an admin, who advised me that "Tvx1 is a problem user with an incredibly long history of blatantly lying/misrepresenting policy".
Statement by Tvx1
I will strongly stress that I never made any action with the intention of harassing or hounding Mclarenfan17 or their previous account Prisonermonkeys. When I decide to join a discussion anywhere I do so because of the subject and I will decide my view based on the arguments and the presented facts, not because of who the participants are. The accusation that I join discussions just to oppose Mclarenfan17 is just simply false. In fact throughout our joint history on Wikipedia there have been plenty of occasion where Mclarenfan17/Prisonermonkeys agreed. I have fruitlessly trying to explain this to them for a while. In fact multiple users have questioned there accusations against me (example).
For a start the first paragraph in their statement is simply false. In my entire history spanning over seven years on Wikipedia I have actually only initiated three or four ANI reports against Prisonermonkeys/Mclarenfan17. Having searched the ANI archives, the recentmost ANI report I could find in which I directly initiated it against them dates back to when they were still using the Prisonermonkeys account (though it is possible I overlooked one). Moreover these ANI reports have been initiated in the opposite direction as well. In fact they have been warned on occasion not to jump to ANI. I have visited ANI nearly as much as Mclarenfan17 claims I have. And I'm not by far the only user who has reported them at ANI in the past. Only a couple of weeks ago another user reported them and multiple reviewers voiced there concerns with Mclarenfan17's attitude This is an other example of another user seriously questioning their behavior and actually giving them advice on how to improve their ways. The reports in the past were certainly not all unjustified considering that they were blocked for disruptive behavior six times with their original account.
Unfortunately I'm not by far the only user with whom Mclarenfan17/Prisonermonkeys has gotten into heated disputes. In order to get a more thorough view my interactions on Wikipedia, feel free to ask the opinions of the regulars of the WikiProjects I'm most active at (which are WP:F1, WP:Rally, WP:Motor and, to a lesser extent, WP:Tennis).
With the regards to the ANI thread Mclarenfan17 mentioned during which they requested being imposed on me, the various people reviewing the claims all disagreed with Mclarenfan17's stance of me being the sole cause of their problems. While restrictions were proposed, there was no agreement to impose any and following the end of that discussion and we didn't have any serious problems until a discussion regarding driver numbers in rallying enrolled over the last month. That discussion was not started by me at all and I was for from the only one involved. In fact no one in that discussion agreed with Mclarenfan17.
Lastly the administrator they contacted is not just "an administrator". It is a specific administrator who imposed a severe block on me last summer (one of only two blocks I have incurred in my over seven year history here) and as result which I have a really bad reputation with since, which is a fact Mclarenfan17 is well aware of. In fact it was not the first time they contacted said administrator to complain about me. This is a situation of grave concern to me, especially since the notoriously bad image I have with that administrator and which I seem not to be able to improve despite I have completely respected the restrictions that were imposed on me upon my block being lifted.Tvx1 04:32, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Statement by Chris.sherlock (talk)
No judgement from me, I can see Mclarenfan17 feel frustrated by edits on a topic he is clearly passionate about. However, I can see a number of discussions that seem somewhat argumentative. I do compliment Mclarenfan17 for not resorting to personal attacks (at least not that I can see!), and I can see at least one case where he was provoked. However, it does seem to me that the issues aren’t hugely major.
I can actually see that issues by multiple editors were brought to ANI, and not just TV1. I do t think a topic ban is helpful but could you at least acknowledge that there might be something you need to consider about your actions that made others take you to ANI?
FWIW, I love your passion on motorsports. It’s just a pity that your good work is being overshadowed by conflicts with other editors.
Tvx1 also not judging you, but in this case you were asked for a source. It would have been nice if you had responded with the source... forgive me if I missed something.
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