User talk:Almaty

The virus is spread between people when in close contact, often via small droplets produced during coughing, sneezing or talking. These droplets are produced during all forms of breathing out, but usually fall to the ground or surfaces rather than being infectious over large distances.

User:Doc James i think thats going to last for a few weeks and also is readable and avoids all conflicts previosuly discussed. --Almaty (talk) 17:37, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

"Mainly" is needed in their as there are other possible ways of spread that do not involve close contact. We can just say "breathing" we do not need. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:41, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

How about "The virus is mainly spread between people when in close contact, often via small droplets produced during coughing, sneezing or talking. While these droplets are produced with breathing, they usually fall to the ground or surfaces rather than being infectious over large distances." Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:42, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Or better yet "The virus is mainly spread between people when in close contact, often via small droplets produced during coughing, sneezing, or talking. These droplets usually fall to the ground or surfaces rather than being infectious over large distances and may also be produced during breathing." Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:25, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

I prefer "The virus is mainly spread between people when in close contact, often via small droplets produced during coughing, sneezing or talking. While these droplets are produced with breathing, they usually fall to the ground or surfaces rather than being infectious over large distances." User:Doc James --Almaty (talk) 10:46, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic individuals, by definition, do not cough or sneeze to any appreciable extent. This leaves direct or indirect contact modes and aerosol transmission as the main possible modes of transmission. Much media attention has correctly focused on the possibility of direct and indirect transmission via for example contaminated hands, with public health messages focusing on the importance of washing hands thoroughly and often, and of greeting others without shaking hands.

to publish the latest proposal

The virus is mainly spread between people during close contact, often via small droplets produced during coughing, sneezing or talking. While these droplets are produced during breathing out, they usually fall to the ground or surfaces rather than being infectious over large distances. from me and User:Doc James over email --Almaty (talk) 02:15, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

to discuss the topic ban

Dear User:Bradv, although i clearly went about it the wrong way, and i have learnt my lesson, the intent of the edit war was to get a forced block. I then converted it to self requested block for 2 weeks which I wish to stand. The reason for me not thinking clearly can be discussed further over email if required, as I've already done to Doc James. James and myself virtually agree on everything, and did at the time, it's just a rapidly changing situation and I wanted wikipedia to immediately reflect what was happening in the FAQs in regard to the transmission mode, and the controversy. I recognize that there is actually no huge rush (please note that I said to Doc James at the time "there is no time" - but I now agree with his reply "Yes, there is".)
I'm just not good at wikipedia politics yet, and I have familiarized myself with pages on how to take time out and wikibreaks. Its obviously a stressful time for doctors all over the world.
I'd also like you to look at my past edits, with another controversial topic that I edited, Digital media use and mental health. I requested a 4 week block at that time of that article's creation when all of my edits were being removed. I then after the block improved that article to featured article status and got the 4 award. So i would like you to reconsider the topic ban. I am now aware if any similar concerns arise in the future, how to wikicode myself a wikibreak, and i know which administrators to ask for a block if I can't work it out, namely Xaosflux or yourself. --Almaty (talk) 02:21, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Also thankyou for this post. --Almaty (talk) 02:33, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Starting an edit war in order to get yourself blocked is a spectacularly bad idea. Check in with me when you're ready to get back to editing and we can talk about the topic ban. Until then, enjoy your wikibreak. – bradv🍁 14:41, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

It was a spectacularly bad idea, and one I wasn't able to think through for a number of off wiki reasons. Might be important to note the time of the edit war (approx 4am in Australia). Not ready to return until my original request of 2 weeks is finished, I think next week. Its a trying topic to edit, and I've never edited a current event before let alone a current pandemic. However, I do feel that I will be able to contribute more modestly and assist with the volume of information that needs to be sourced well, after the wikibreak. If its still needed by then, I probably tried to take too much of it on myself. --Almaty (talk) 15:33, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi User:Bradv do you have thoughts or questions about the topic ban? of particular pertinence is that the COVID-19 pages do not, in my opinion, at the moment need major bold edits anymore, as I was doing since Feburary which caused the "wikistress" combined with the off wiki stresses for myself and many if not most doctors around the world. I wrote the original transmission section, rearranging it from its original places, and made it prominent, and I felt a certain sense of responsibility over that which in retrospect was not required. The consensus between James and me around the wording around transmission in the lead was always there and was clarified by email further during my wikibreak. I will only be making minor edits as far as I can see for the forseeable future. To ping User:Doc James if its appropriate for him to comment on the question. Kind regards, Almaty --Almaty (talk) 08:59, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I am happy to see Almaty return to editing as they are able. And agree that editing WP can be stressful at times. They made some excellent points during the prior discussions and I agree we ended up with better content because of it. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:31, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	In recognition of your prior efforts to make WP's COVID19 content better. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:32, 16 April 2020 (UTC)