Talk:Persecution of Yazidis by Kurds

This article is very misleading

First of all, the title of this article is just misleading. Persecution of Yazidis by "Kurds".. It is evident that the animosity is more about Muslim tribes and leaders persecuting the Yazidis based on beliefs which then triggered these acts against Yazidis. I mean it should have made it obvious when you read "Then they gave them the option to convert to Islam or to be killed." The language spoken by the Yazidis is Kurdish, the Yazidis's are ethnically Kurdish. The only people to conveniently try to ignore the linguistic and ethnic match are just simply trying to make a divide between the two for obviously something.. Wikipedia should have never allowed such a page to carry on. If I post these counter arguments and debunk this all the core of this article is going to be meaningless. It's like an article talking about a man walking his dog, but the truth is it never happened.

Looking at the acts and persecutions committed against Yazidis, both the Kurdish emir's Mohammed Pasha Rawanduz & Bedir Khan Beg have three things in common, being under the command of the Turkish Ottoman Empire, both being Muslim and their cause and motives being exactly the same, yet considering there was no Kurdish state, this article brands them as being Kurdish somehow proposing it was a Kurdish thing, but today I wonder what kind of definition a Yazidi would have if they converted..

We can look at it this way. What happens when Yazidi converts to Islam, are they now back to being a Kurd, because they're Muslim and Kurdish? Or do they become Iraqi or something? What happens when that Yazidi is in Turkish territory? Are they now just plain old Turkish? What ethnicity are Yazidis if they aren't Kurdish, which makes it interesting to know if you were to argue they're not Kurdish, but this Kurdish emir wasn't Turkish or Ottoman, he was Kurdish! Convenient.

The KRG spends the largest amount of effort in trying to rescue captured Yazidis from ISIS. Why would the "Kurds" care to do that if the history is with persecuting them? https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/10855146-3f8d-4b38-b786-a778bb893d61 Who else is right now spending time looking for them like the Kurds are, while calling them their own. Khider Domle an actual Yazidi researcher stated that Yazidis are ‘one of the oldest Kurdish religions in the East.’ - 8 Domle. K. (2013) Yazidis: A Deep-Rooted Community in an Unstable Present. In Salloum, S. (2013) Minorities

The genocide of Yazidis during the same time of the genocide of Armenians was mostly about getting rid of none Muslims in Anatolia and neighboring regions, again clearly more involving Turkish atrocities. That is the only reason why Kurds in general were even spared. When evolved into a nationalistic thing after the creation of the Turkish republic, that's when the Kurds faced the same treatment. One thing that becomes obvious is the desire to cleanse the region of none Muslims and the orders were clearly not coming from Kurds. Of course the Kurds took part and did a terrible thing by carrying out these acts in the first place, but this is rewriting history.

I think the best thing to do is be factually accurate with the persecutions and post them under Ottoman Empire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazidis#Under_the_Ottoman_Empire — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justvalley (talk • contribs) 23:10, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

False Info

Majority of these massacres were made by Muslims and not Kurds. KhaledWalidd (talk) 12:12, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

The muslims of the region are mainly Kurds, so the massacres were also done by the kurds.

Proposed move

I propose to move this article to 'Persecution of Yazidis by Muslims'. Yazidis are Kurds, and the reason for the persecution has been religious, not ethnic, so the current title is misleading. Konli17 (talk) 00:54, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

It is controversial whether Yazidis are Kurds or not. And the massacres were committed by Kurdish Muslims. Such as the Kurdish princes Bedirkhan Beg and Mohammed Pasha Rawanduz. 79.111.27.68 (talk) 03:25, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

As this controversy exists, why choose to identify the persecutors by their ethnicity rather than their religion? Konli17 (talk) 12:06, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Because not all Muslims were involved in the persecution. This article is all about the Muslim Kurds. This is also shown and documented in the article. The sources clearly speak of Kurds. The word Kurds is used throughout the sources. Here is another source that is not used in this article. "Kurds have been mortal enemies of the Yazidis."[1] In addition, not all evidence suggests that the Kurds persecuted the Yazidis because of their religion. Some Yazidi tribes who converted to Islam only assumed Kurdish identity after the conversion. Then they were recognized as Kurds by their Kurdish neighbors and no longer as Yazidis.[2] You probably haven't read the whole article, otherwise you would also see in the Modern times section that this is about Kurds. The article is short, however, and it could be expanded. There is much more information on this topic. 79.111.27.68 (talk) 15:05, 29 July 2020 (UTC)