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Character of the party

The article (not only the lead) describes in details ideological orientation of the party and how it evolved in time, including its relationship to democracy and totalitarian regimes. Also from the article, it is clear that the party cannot be characterized in general, e.g. in 20s or in the time when it was a part of democratic Czechoslovak government "as a fascist and clerical nationalist group" and such characterization belongs to the certain period. This was properly summarized already in the lead of this this version [1]

Fakirbakir, why did you begin to reinvent the wheel again?--Ditinili (talk) 16:54, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No reaction. Because:

1. The previous lead and the article properly described a shift from democracy to totality.

2. It is clear that the statement cannot be used as a general characteristics of the party.

2. It is not compliant with the rest of the article.

4. It was repeatedly explained but reverted without serious reason or explanation.

5. There is none serious contradiction, but authors speak about different periods.

I am moving it from the lead to the appropriate place to the article. Ditinili (talk) 03:44, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Questionable sources

The Letz source really should not be used. Matica slovenská conferences are not reliable for articles related to the Slovak State because it is known for promoting a positive view of that state, against the consensus of virtually all historians who are not from Slovakia and many who are.^[1]^[2]^[3] All of this stuff is covered by better sources, such as Lorman, Thomas (2019). The Making of the Slovak People’s Party: Religion, Nationalism and the Culture War in Early 20th-Century Europe. London: Bloomsbury Publishing. ISBN 978-1-350-10938-4. b uidhe 18:29, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Paulovičová, Nina (2018). "Holocaust Memory and Antisemitism in Slovakia: The Postwar Era to the Present". Antisemitism Studies. 2 (1). Indiana University Press: 10. doi:10.2979/antistud.2.1.02. {{cite journal}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)
^ Ward, James Mace (2013). Priest, Politician, Collaborator: Jozef Tiso and the Making of Fascist Slovakia. Cornell University Press. p. 277. ISBN 978-0-8014-6813-1.
^ "Zmanipulované dejiny v školských učebniciach". Pravda.sk (in Slovak). 10 March 2016. Retrieved 10 December 2019.

Letz (Prof. PhDr. Róbert Letz, PhD., https://enrs.eu/en/prof-robert-letz) is a qualified historian, the head of the Department of History, Faculty of Education, Comenius University in Bratislava. He is a member is a member of several editorial boards and scientific boards. He meets all the criteria for citing here in Wikipedia. What is more important - I do not think that any of the quoted sentences is controversial. By the way, several of his works are cited also by Lorman, Thomas (2019).--Ditinili (talk) 08:58, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ideology

Any ideology listed in the infobox should be correct for the party's entire history. Otherwise it is very misleading. No source says that the party was "Nazi" or "fascist" in 1913. (t · c) buidhe 03:40, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All cited sources however clearly state that the HSĽS has swung decisively to the far-right by the 1930s, and has already started to harbour fascist radicals as early as 1923 within the Rodobrana militia for example, not to mention that Jozef Tiso himself has adopted Nazism in 1940. Attempting to remove any mention of the HSĽS' fascist ideology from the article without making the corrections to a supposedly incorrect infobox is tantamount to whitewashing, especially since the HSĽS is well-known for being a prime example of clerical fascism in practice by historians and analysts. 95.103.231.0 (talk) 13:03, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Paulovičová, Nina (2018). "Holocaust Memory and Antisemitism in Slovakia: The Postwar Era to the Present". Antisemitism Studies. 2 (1). Indiana University Press: 10. doi:10.2979/antistud.2.1.02. {{cite journal}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)

[2] Ward, James Mace (2013). Priest, Politician, Collaborator: Jozef Tiso and the Making of Fascist Slovakia. Cornell University Press. p. 277. ISBN 978-0-8014-6813-1.

[3] "Zmanipulované dejiny v školských učebniciach". Pravda.sk (in Slovak). 10 March 2016. Retrieved 10 December 2019.

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	Any ideology listed in the infobox should be correct for the party's entire history. Otherwise it is very misleading. No source says that the party was "Nazi" or "fascist" in 1913. ([[User talk:Buidhe\|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Buidhe\|c]]) '''[[User:buidhe\|<span style="color: black">buidhe</span>]]''' 03:40, 12 August 2020 (UTC)		Any ideology listed in the infobox should be correct for the party's entire history. Otherwise it is very misleading. No source says that the party was "Nazi" or "fascist" in 1913. ([[User talk:Buidhe\|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Buidhe\|c]]) '''[[User:buidhe\|<span style="color: black">buidhe</span>]]''' 03:40, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
			::All cited sources however clearly state that the HSĽS has swung decisively to the far-right by the 1930s, and has already started to harbour fascist radicals as early as 1923 within the Rodobrana militia for example, not to mention that Jozef Tiso himself has adopted Nazism in 1940. Attempting to remove any mention of the HSĽS' fascist ideology from the article without making the corrections to a supposedly incorrect infobox is tantamount to whitewashing, especially since the HSĽS is well-known for being a prime example of clerical fascism in practice by historians and analysts. [[Special:Contributions/95.103.231.0\|95.103.231.0]] ([[User talk:95.103.231.0\|talk]]) 13:03, 13 August 2020 (UTC)