Talk:Pirates versus Ninjas

I don't think this article should be deleted at sight; it's well written and gives valuable information. To me it answered what the hell this strip by Norwegian cartoonist M was all about. Rename, merge or list on AfD as you like, but it shouldn't just be swept under the rug like this. Eixo 22:11, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree, this is clearly not patent nonsense, just a unique subcultural in-joke. -- stillnotelf has a talk page 22:23, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Previous deletion

Archived discussion of a previous version of this article (this is not a recreation) exists at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pirates Versus Ninjas. The original content is preserved here, here, and here.-- stillnotelf has a talk page 22:41, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, the previous article was a joke, this one is factual. The afd result don't apply. Eixo 22:57, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I agree, and I would vote keep in a new AFD, I was just collecting links for other users' convenience and amusement. -- stillnotelf has a talk page 23:16, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Ninjas win under every conceivable circumstance

Some "debate." Is there really any question about this? There is no circumstance in which any number of pirates could defeat even a single ninja. It is simply not possible. Pirates are just men who live on boats and have minimal combat/sword training. A battle between just one ninja and X pirates will never last longer than X/5 seconds unless the ninja is being theatrical and killing the pirates slower than normal for dramatic affect. This has been proven by science. 4.89.241.200 22:46, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Pffft, please. Ninjas are losers. All they do is hide in the bushes and throw some silly stars. Pirates drink and fire cannons and drink some more and screw and still have time to kick butt. Not even a contest. Bombot 15:22, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

What if it's broad daylight and the pirates see the ninja coming and shoot them dead? 129.11.76.229 13:19, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Not this shit again. Everybody knows it's all about the Shaolin Monks.

Wrong on almost ALL accounts, everyone knows that, although a ninja could theoreticly kill a pirate, basic knowledge dictates that the pirate would have to be drunk. If he wasn't drunk (which is an even chance) than the ninja is toast. No amount of stealth, flying or katana's is going to stop the rage of a sober pirate with a musket. That and pirates have huge sabers. Half the time the sabers are dull and heavy, this proves pirates are both manlier and stronger than the constantly training sissy boy ninja. Pirates NEVER train, all they do is drink rum and copulate with a large amount of wenches. So when a ninja would commit hari-kari a pirate would just drink more! All the proof needed I think. Cryo (Tox) 03:28, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm almost tempted to move this to the main article as a textbook example of Ninja vs. Pirate discourse. Feezo (Talk) 23:31, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I think it's notable that a pirate in his native environment of a bar, or at sea, would have the upper hand. If the fight took place both in a bar and at sea, such as in the lounge on a Carnival Cruise, then the pirate's superior bar-brawling skills and his sea legs would give him massive upperhandedness. The fight would likely be one punch, and factors such as the intoxication of the pirate or the ability of the ninja to prepare would have little effect. Were the fight not in a bar or at sea, then the aspects of sobriety and preparedness come into play. --The Yar 20:14, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Why isn't the article under "Ninjas Versus Pirates"? Don't ninjas win the alphabet, too? Trevor 22:04, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, the article's got to sit somewhere, and it can't sit on both, so here it is. Plus, I believe more people say "a pirate or a ninja" rather than the other way around. Minor detail--it's really not worth making a big deal out of. --authraw 11:38, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

We need to be serious, people. The only REAL advantage that ninjas have over their opponents is the art of surprise. Ninjas always strike from the shadows; a ninja who has been spotted is a ninja who has failed, and will most likely die. That being said, the place in which a pirate vs. ninja battle would most likely occur is on the pirate's ship. A pirate knows his vessel inside-out; there is no conceivable way a ninja would be able to hide without the pirate or his crew noticing. Thus, before the battle has actually begun, the pirate has already won.

A wise ninja would realize this major weakness, and intentionally avoid combat on the pirate's vessel for this very reason. However, the pirate would simply stay within the relative safety of his ship, and use its massive cannons to lay siege to the ninja's hometown, thus ensuring victory. Realistically speaking, not even a ninja can hide from massed ordnance... 216.36.17.5 23:55, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

The sobriety and fornicating of pirates has nothing at all to do with the battle. Ninjas would win in any envrionment. For example, on the ship, the could stake out inside powder kegs or other similar devices, and ambush pirates when they came around. Crossbows are both more silent and almost as powerful as the muskets of that era (I'm assuming this is anywhere between 1500-1700). Even after that time period, ninjas still have a concievable chance. Ninjas not winning in port is bull. The pirate probably doesn't know the port very well, seeing as he spends such a considerable amount of time onboard his ship. The ninja would have equal chances as the pirate, and, considering that ninjas can cope with confusion and choreography better than most pirates - drunk or otherwise- and would doubtlessly scout the area before. Pirates have simply no chance. --69.140.143.86 21:33, 24 October 2006 (UTC) King of the easter eggs 10/24/06

Will everyone shut up? This isnt the place to debate this...Besides, pirates could so totally shoot a ninja. And dont pull the "ninjas can dodge bullets" card, its physically impossible. --Dallin Tanjo22 22:34, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, that was proven untrue. A ninja WITH SUFFICIANT TRAINING can not dodge the bullet, but can use the butterfly effect such that a wind suddenly picks up and blows the bullet off course. And everyone knows that if a ninja has access to a Katana, it would take n^2+8 pirates to beat him, where N is the number of years the ninja has trained, plus the ammount of time in seconds he has studied the pirate. However, one pirate has been known to kill 37 ninja: they were in a group of 60. However, once their numbers went down to 23, they were able to overcome the stormtrooper effect, and killed him. Plus, if he is night-fighting, the ninja has the added advantage of cameoflauge. QED

I think you have too much time on you're hands... --Dallin Tanjo22 01:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I think this article's name should be changed to Scurvy-ridden no-style no-training heavily drunken seafaring slag vs. Super-stealthy super-deadly lightning-fast killing machine. 72.8.92.6 21:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

All the people who think the Pirate would just shoot the ninja are missing one crucial element, it's a freaking ninja! They wouldn't be seen in the first place.

Origin?

People say that Real Ultimate Power was the cause of it, but as mentioned in the article, there were references to it previously, and I am fairly certain that in the late 1990s I had heard of the idea. But I can't remember how. Anyone know of any other pre-RUP ninja vs pirate references? Titanium Dragon 10:36, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, this has been around a lot longer than Real Ultimate Power.

Ninjas (and karate) were pretty big in the 80s and early 90s - think Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, American Ninja, Karate Kid movies. Also lots of comics got ninjas involved too - Daredevil & Batman both got retconned to have ninja training. I think the pirate thing is more recent though. Maybe Sid Meier's Pirates and Pirates of the Caribbean had something to do with it? 203.97.255.167 01:27, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

How about Naruto and One Piece contributing to this? 205.174.22.20 06:58, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't know--Naruto and One Piece might just contribute in the sense that they are about the stereotypical pirates and ninjas--I don't think they are any more than indirectly related. --authraw 01:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Naruto and One Piece suck. The ninjas don't wear enough black and the pirates aren't harry enough. And I remember hearing that the first message broadcast between 2 technicians on Arpanet was "who do you think would win a fight: ninjas, or pirates?"Toxic Ninja 05:29, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Improvement of Article

I'm not a fan of article deletion...if you've got some bit of info to share with the world, then share it, but this isn't well written, or documented. It's very hard to chronicle the saga of a pop-culture topic of conversation. Who were the first two people to debate this? We will probably never know. Rowlan 05:47, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

The battle is a battle as heated as politics. However, the people writing are neither as well-spoken or as boring. You should be glad that the article is neutral. This article isn't edited by people who care about the quality of writing, but those who are passionate about the arguemnt. Loosen up. --69.140.143.86 21:39, 24 October 2006 (UTC)King of the easter eggs 10/24/06

Order

Why is this article "Pirates vs Ninjas" instead of "Ninjas vs Pirates". For one thing, Ninja's a vastly superior to Pirates in almost every concivable way, and another "N" comes before "P" in the english alphabet. How was the title of this page chosen? Does anyone else have some input on this? (Animedude 08:22, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

The fact that Ninjas are "vastly superior to pirates" is irrelevant as far as Wikipedia goes (especially since pirates are better) but the general order is "Pirates vs Ninjas". If you were to type in "Pirates vs Ninjas" (with the quotes) into Google, you get about 140,000 hits. "Ninjas vs Pirates" gets about 25,200. Big difference there. Plus, the article was started at Pirates versus Ninjas, so all of the discussion on the article is here. If we were to move it to Ninjas versus Pirates, we would have to move all of the talk stuff, too, and it's really not worth the hassle. --authraw 20:24, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Those are all valid reasons. I guess it doesnt really matter, since the Ninja's superioty over the pirates is so great, that allowing them to be spoken first wont matter much. Since, they will be dead in a mtter of seconds. (Animedude 06:47, 23 September 2006 (UTC))

Ninjas Win. Darn straight.

Searching either Pirates vs. Ninjas or Ninjas vs. Pirates brings the same article. Ninjas do win. --69.140.143.86 21:36, 24 October 2006 (UTC) King of the easter eggs 10/24/06

I believe that the popular order (Pirate vs Ninja) is also meant to be a subtle take on the PvP (Player vs Player) acronym; as such, it's only recognizable as PvN, and not NvP, which sounds more like MVP. aeonite 17:19, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

This is easily solved by google fight. : http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=ninja&word2=pirate  : http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=ninja+vs+pirate&word2=pirate+vs+ninja

As of when I'm doing this Ninja is is winning as more searched in the basic and in the vs ninjas vs pirates is winning 1,310,000 to 1,300,000, while ninja basic won by like a 6:5 ratio. 05:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

What about Pie Versus Cake?

Why is it that something like this(considering how stupid it is) gets an article while the pie v cake debate gets none? It doesn't even get a mention in an article about a debate who's outcome depends on who gets the drop on who! BioTube 02:52, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Stupid as it may be, "pie vs cake" returns 107 Google results [1]. "pirates vs ninjas" returns about 154,000 results [2]. Pirates vs Ninjas is a true internet phenomenon--I haven't heard a whole lot about the pie vs cake debate. --authraw 03:31, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

This debate isn't nearly as stupid as pie vs. cake. Maybe someday that will be a valid argument, but presently the world cares a lot more about pirates vs. ninjas. This article is extremely difficult to keep neutral, giving situations would make it biased and unwikipedian. Besides, ninjas would win no matter what the situation. --69.140.143.86 21:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC)King of the easter eggs 10/24/06

History

How about placing some historical stuff? Such as when Portuguese Ships (royal, not pirates) first reached Japan Empire (ruled by samurai, not ninjas). (next section is only my opinion in the polemics) Also, pirates and ninjas won't even fight. Ninjas can't get to an high-seas ship to assassinate the pirate, neither can the pirate find the ninja hideout, and even if they (either one) can, is there enough honor (to kill one pirate ship with all that work, sacrificing many valuable ninjas) or loot (to steal from a humble ninja clan hidden so deep in the woods, after spending so much supplies in the search)? Now if they'd team up togheter, then that would be real unstoppable. ;) 200.230.213.152 05:04, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

No, pirates would slow down the ninjas.

Exactly 203.118.158.11 04:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

IF ninjas and pirates teamed up they would kill each other at first sign of anything valuable. Then you would have a ninja vs pirate conflict.Toxic Ninja 05:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Serious stuff about Other similar debates

The main difference between this and other fan competitions is that neither pirates or ninjas were initially created as a video game, TV show, or other form of media by one company.

Necromancy and clerirgy were no video game, TV show or media stuff. Although this debate probably says about their rpg character classes, this can be somehow confusing to an stupid reader (maybe stupid is a bad word for this, but I'm lazy to find another one :P). 200.230.213.152 02:10, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

WTF? Where's NPOV?

Is there a counter-part for this???

This user agrees that Pirates are better than Ninjas. Y'arr!

I couldn't find (I'm not good at searching wikipedian categories). 200.230.213.152 02:38, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Naruto & One Piece

Shouldn't something be included in this article regarding the popularity of Naruto and One Piece with anime fans? That is, the popularity of Ninjas (Naruto) in America contrasting the popularity of Pirates (One Piece) in Japan? Terek 07:03, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Plurality

For what it's worth, the plural of "ninja" is "ninja", not "ninjas". 71.193.152.63 23:49, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

There isn't such a thing as a proper plural anymore, goose-geese, moose-moose, so just let people call it whatever they want.Toxic Ninja 05:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Ninjas

NINJAS RULE. THEY PWN PIRATES. NINJAS FTW! Sf49rox 01:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)