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New prototype?

This is is the prototype I meant. I think that it is greatly superior to the current V22, and at the same time an improvement compared to V10. It would have been the right compromise between classical structure and innovation, and I think that the community would have unanimously welcomed it.--Æo (talk) 21:52, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Recently, I read the following article: Geoff Graham, "Behind The Curtains Of Wikipedia Redesign", Smashing Magazine, 26 June 2023.

In the article are shown two screenshots of a different version of Vector 2022, respectively in the very first and in the very last images of the article, which in my opinion is far better than both the currently deployed version and the Zebra version. In particular, in the version shown in the article, the ToC is placed inline just as it was in Vector Legacy and the user's and reader's menus and buttons are better organised. What is this version? Will it be available in the future? Æo (talk) 13:41, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @Æo. Thanks for your continued interest in the project :) These mockups were made at the early exploratory stage in summer 2019, and only reflected the initial ideas of our designer and product manager. You'll see more of those in the Wikimania Stockholm research report. As you know, throughout the project, we did feedback collection rounds on a few prototypes, and performed qualitative user tests and A/B tests, which is how we've landed with what we've got now. These mockups naturally can't include that part of our job.
Currently, we're making first steps in our next project – you'll find information about it on the page Accessibility for reading (the project name and page title may change). Soon we'll be ready to send first messages about it to village pumps across the wikis. If you'd like to watch us more closely, subscribe to our newsletter to get notifications about the project updates! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 15:48, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You should consider re-proposing those versions to the broader community. The current V22 has driven me away from Wikipedia. I am literally repulsed by the articles when I am not logged in (with V10). Æo (talk) 20:01, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Æo: There may be an add-on for your browser which switches to your preferred skin even when not logged in. I use one. Certes (talk) 20:16, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That prototype in your screenshot looks really nice. I agree that a prototype like that would have been better received.
That "Search free knowledge..." HTML placeholder is really cool too. I'm almost tempted to file a ticket to change that on old skins. –Novem Linguae (talk) 15:34, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like that placeholder is controlled by MediaWiki:Searchsuggest-search. If I get some positive responses here I'll pursue the idea further. –Novem Linguae (talk) 15:56, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I also like that, though I see how some may oppose. Aaron Liu (talk) 14:51, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
IMO if you like that design you're probably better off using Minerva Neuve plus a sidebar. Aaron Liu (talk) 14:50, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What happened to the Zebra colors?

A couple months ago, we were promised that new colors for V22 would be deployed, and there was an updated version of the Zebra prototype. What happened to that? Aaron Liu (talk) 20:45, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Warning: excessively cynical response follows. The phabricator workboard for Vector 2022 shows a number of Zebra-related tasks. I did not see any with updates since July. By all appearances, Vector 2022 has moved into the "we found a new thing to work on" phase of the project, joining the Visual Editor (officially out of beta in the last month, after many years of stalled bugs) and many other projects about which someone was once very excited. I have resigned myself to living with my extensive custom CSS for Vector 2022 for the foreseeable future to fix the excessive white space, lack of contrast between areas, non-matching top-of-screen bars, and other basic issues. If you like some of the Zebra look, you might have to implement it yourself. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:04, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
LOL, how did the Visual Editor exit beta? I just tested it a few days ago, and it's still garbage — nothing works besides basic functionality. And this list hasn't gotten any shorter. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:35, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair, does point 3 still need to be there? Aaron Liu (talk) 14:49, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @Aaron Liu, thanks for the questions here. We've published an update on VPT. TLDR, to improve V22 further, we'll build dark mode and options for font size and typography, available for both logged-out and logged-in, on both desktop and mobile. Zebra turned out to be more tricky than expected :/ It will take more time to get it done, and right now, font size and typography is the priority. How do you feel about moving this conversation to VPT? SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 13:06, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good, ima reply there Aaron Liu (talk) 13:52, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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