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Precious[edit]

copy-editing

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Thank you for quality articles beginning with List of mayors of Eugene, Oregon, then Nike OTC Marathon and Virgil Abloh, for copy-editing thousands of articles, coordinating the Guild of Copy Editors and creating its award, for "I don't take anything that happens on Wikipedia personally.", - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:15, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:46, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Upcoming changes to wikitext parsing[edit]

Hello,

There will be some changes to the way wikitext is parsed during the next few weeks. It will affect all namespaces. You can see a list of pages that may display incorrectly at Special:LintErrors. Since most of the easy problems have already been solved at the English Wikipedia, I am specifically contacting tech-savvy editors such as yourself with this one-time message, in the hope that you will be able to investigate the remaining high-priority pages during the next month.

There are approximately 10,000 articles (and many more non-article pages) with high-priority errors. The most important ones are the articles with misnested tags and table problems. Some of these involve templates, such as infoboxes, or the way the template is used in the article. In some cases, the "error" is a minor, unimportant difference in the visual appearance. In other cases, the results are undesirable. You can see a before-and-after comparison of any article by adding ?action=parsermigration-edit to the end of a link, like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Foss?action=parsermigration-edit (which shows a difference in how {{infobox ship}} is parsed).

If you are interested in helping with this project, please see Wikipedia:Linter. There are also some basic instructions (and links to even more information) at https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-ambassadors/2018-April/001836.html You can also leave a note at WT:Linter if you have questions.

Thank you for all the good things you do for the English Wikipedia. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:18, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Whatamidoing (WMF), thanks for the note. I have fixed some Linter errors in the past, but the help text is woefully inadequate to assist me with fixing things like the HTML 5 misnesting error. Linter reports that there is a problem in the infobox at Euphrates Islamic Liberation Front, for example, and it looks like it might have something to do with the span tag, but the help text doesn't have any information about how one might fix the problem. If the help text were better or at least provided a lot more examples, the problems would be easier to fix, and we might have more people willing to work on them. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:46, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Let's centralize it at WT:Linter, where you've left a note about how you fixed that article. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:08, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. I'll help if I can. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:53, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

April 2018 blitz bling[edit]

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This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling over 4,000 words (including rollover words) during the GOCE April 2018 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 15:43, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism for CE request Abbadia Alpina[edit]

I was plunking around in Abbadia Alpina trying to get things started (though I forgot to mark that I had taken it), but shortly after I had made a few minor edits someone pasted a multi-page essay on child development in the lead and deleted the whole history section. I removed the offending garbage and notated. In the edit history it appears this page is prone to vandalism, so I wasn’t sure if you wanted us to withhold our efforts here. VigilanteSilver (talk) 04:43, 29 April 2018 (UTC) VigilanteSilver (talk) 04:43, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

That looks more like an edit from someone new to Wikipedia than vandalism. I would go ahead and edit this article, though the task is more "cleanup" (in this case, converting bullets to prose and adding some section headers) than copy editing. If you're feeling generous, you could also add Template:Infobox frazione to the article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:27, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Citation consistency[edit]

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Hi, thanks for the offer, as discussed, the articles dodo and Rodrigues solitaire originally had a citation style similar to for example Broad-billed parrot, where all citations with a single page range are listed under references, and only those with broken up page ranges are listed under "works cited". But at some point, a now blocked editor changed it all to the style currently used, which I think is hard to manage. Therefore, when I added citations since, I used the original style, so now those articles use a weird mix of styles which doesn't look very pleasing. I've long wanted to change it back (I did so for some shorter articles), but it just seems a very overwhelming task, and I'm not so fond of citation editing... I think this would also improve the chance of Rodrigues solitaire becoming TFA at some point. By the way, I think the only citations in those articles that have broken up page ranges are Cheke & Hume 2008 and Fuller 2001. FunkMonk (talk) 14:56, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Can you please provide links to previous versions that are formatted in the way you prefer? Has there been any discussion on those articles' talk pages about citation formats? – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:10, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
Yep, here are the diffs for dodo[1][2] and for Rodrigues solitaire[3]. I brought it up on the dodo article's talk page here[4], with no answer. As you can see here[5][6], I was initially ok with the edits, but that was mainly because those were my first GAs, and I had little knowledge about how any of it worked. It was later discussed in this talk page[7] of an article where I've since made the citations consistent myself. FunkMonk (talk) 15:27, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
Let's talk about Dodo first. The version that was promoted to FA had a consistent citation style, using short footnotes in the "Footnotes" section and long citations in the "Sources" section. If you're asking me to move any long citations from the Footnotes section to the Sources section, I'll be happy to do that. Making a citation style change away from the style that was in place when the article was promoted to FA would require a consensus on the article's talk page before I would be willing to do that work. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:12, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
I could do that, but I have little hope that such a request would get much attention (considering my earlier request there). I'll try to ping the FAC reviewers, if they are still here. It seems Rodrigues solitaire had the original style when it was promoted, though, so it should be fine to change back. Far the most of my other FAC nominations had that style too when passing, so it has at least been accepted multiple times. FunkMonk (talk) 16:22, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
Looking at Rodrigues solitaire, I see the clear, apparently undiscussed changes that were made, apparently in violation of CITEVAR, in September 2012. Was there any objection to those changes at that time? I'm curious why the changes were not reverted or objected to on the talk page? There is no requirement to do so, but why, more than five years later, is this an issue? An honest question. There is no statute of limitations on violations of guidelines and policy, but upsetting a five-year status quo is not something to be done lightly. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:23, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
As above, I simply didn't know much, as those two were the first articles I ever nominated for GAN and FAC (I've been their main editor since). So I took the editor's word for it that it was better until I actually had to add more citations. So as you can see, I already brought up the issue back in 2013, but no one commented. More time went, and the citations became more and more inconsistent. The amount of time passed is just because I didn't know how to approach it, and was busy with other things. So regardless of what style is to be used, I think it can be said that the current mixture is problematic. It has to be made consistent at some point, so I would prefer the original style, since I'm (de facto) pretty much the only one who has to work with it (I've expanded both articles significantly since they were promoted, to keep them up to date with subsequent research). FunkMonk (talk) 16:35, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
That all sounds reasonable. Let's give the talk page discussions a few days to run their course, if anyone is interested. It's no fun having a bunch of work reverted, so I'd rather wait for objections before starting the work. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:49, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
That's fine, they waited five years, they can wait a little longer, hehe... It isn't a pressing issue as such, it just has to be done sooner or later, and as mentioned, I think Rodrigues solitaire might be inappropriate as a TFA in the shape it is now (dodo was TFA long ago). Due to this discussion, I just noticed it's supposedly "national pigeon day" on June 13, so it may be timely for an extinct pigeon TFA... FunkMonk (talk) 16:54, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Donetsk National University of Economics and Trade[edit]

Hi,Jonesey95. I Yakovenko Yuri. I work at the Donetsk National University of Economics and Trade named after Mikhail Tugan-Baranovsky. Thank you so much for making a quality review of the our article "Donetsk National University of Economics and Trade" If we understand you correctly, we encountered certain copyright issues with information that is listed on the Wikipedia site. Please, we kindly ask you to indicate what information and documents you need to provide to the university to confirm the right to publish information in the English Wikipedia from the official site. Also, we ask you to specify a postal address for sending confirmation documents. Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Юрій Яковенко (talkcontribs) 22:19, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

I think that the correct page is Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. Anyone reading this page is welcome to correct me. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:20, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Good day! Thank you for the information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Юрій Яковенко (talkcontribs) 20:51, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Donetsk National University of Economics and Trade[edit]

Good morning. We sent a message.

I hereby affirm that I represent Donetsk National University of Economics and Trade named after Mikhail Tugan-Baranovsky the creator and/or sole owner of the exclusive copyright of URLs of the content, and have legal authority in my capacity to release the copyright of that work. I agree to publish the above-mentioned content under the free license: Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported and GNU Free Documentation License (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts). I acknowledge that by doing so I grant anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product or otherwise, and to modify it according to their needs, provided that they abide by the terms of the license and any other applicable laws. I am aware that this agreement is not limited to Wikipedia or related sites. I am aware that I always retain copyright of my work, and retain the right to be attributed in accordance with the license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will not be claimed to have been made by me. I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the content may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project.

Яковенко Юрій (Yakovenko Uyri) Appointed representative of Donetsk National University of Economics and Trade named after Mikhail Tugan-Baranovsky 14.05.2018

Donetsk National University of Economics and Trade[edit]

Good morning. We sent a message.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donetsk_National_University_of_Economics_and_Trade

I hereby affirm that I represent Donetsk National University of Economics and Trade named after Mikhail Tugan-Baranovsky the creator and/or sole owner of the exclusive copyright of URLs of the content, and have legal authority in my capacity to release the copyright of that work. I agree to publish the above-mentioned content under the free license: Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported and GNU Free Documentation License (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts). I acknowledge that by doing so I grant anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product or otherwise, and to modify it according to their needs, provided that they abide by the terms of the license and any other applicable laws. I am aware that this agreement is not limited to Wikipedia or related sites. I am aware that I always retain copyright of my work, and retain the right to be attributed in accordance with the license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will not be claimed to have been made by me. I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the content may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project.

Яковенко Юрій (Yakovenko Uyri) Appointed representative of Donetsk National University of Economics and Trade named after Mikhail Tugan-Baranovsky 14.05.2018

n/a[edit]

About this. What is the item/info which is not applicable for inserting in that box? I assume that box is not intended for anything in the first place, so why not have it removed? I am asking for your motive of revert. Any specific reason or it looked odd wrt previous pages? Harsh Rathod Poke me! 14:29, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Because the row is for totals, and we don't total that column. It is the same format as all of the other barnstar pages. It's a two-year-old page that doesn't need any further edits; I suggest that you spend your time working on edits that will improve pages that people have a remote chance of looking at.
I am curious about what brought you to that specific page, however. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:45, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I was right then, you reverted just because it looked odd. Keep this up. I don't know what good is it doing? The table is perfectly okay even without that. Harsh Rathod Poke me! 17:40, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

soo[edit]

Would you be interested in turning this link blue? — xaosflux Talk 14:44, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

I have much respect for you and many other administrators, but I find the combination of drama, policy fights, and nonsense from clueless people (including other admins[1]) that administrators have to engage with to be exhausting and stressful. I am very happy with my template editor rights; they have been very useful.
My one experience at ANI was a debacle. It involved an administrator who abruptly escalated a semi-revert to ANI, another administrator who consistently stated things that were not true and who simply refused to read policy or my responses, and one administrator who was moderately helpful but made no effort to correct the errors of his/her fellow administrators. This experience left a very bad taste in my mouth; I know it was a small sample size, but I was left thinking "these are not people I want to collaborate with".
In what ways do you think I could be helpful as an administrator? Are there non-administrator rights that it might be useful for me to have in order to perform my edits, which are normally gnome-like in nature? I am happy to help with deleting pages, moving pages, and other administrative work, but I can't be bothered with drama and nonsense. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:10, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Saying this will probably be my downfall at a potential RFA. If people are blinkered enough to vote against me because of this true statement on my own talk page, then the admin community is not one I am interested in joining.
No worries, don't want to drag you to where you don't want to be - and I know on enwiki adminship is a "big deal" no matter what some people say (because other people make it one). I was thinking you may be good for interface editing, dealing with things like history merges, speedy deletions, etc. With much less drama you could apply at WP:PERM for file mover/page mover if you want to start working in those areas. They generally want to see a modest amount of related editing in there first. I did see that 2 year old item - but that you continue to plow forward and make the project better. If you wanted to go for RfA one of the standard questions is about Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future? - and having a strong answer to it would indeed be key (and would head off someone else asking a more accusatory question on the same topic). Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 16:20, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
That ANI conflict caused me more stress than it should have. When I feel that people with power over me are not engaging in good faith or are failing to use rational, well reasoned, fact-based arguments, I find it quite disheartening and worrisome. I dealt with it by worrying quite a bit until it was over. I have no interest in having similar experiences on a regular basis. I'll look into WP:PERM, and per the recent Signpost article, if things like speedy deletion or interface editing are ever split out from admin rights, I'll take a look at those as well. Thank you for thinking of me. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:21, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Future FAC request[edit]

Hi, I've been prepping the Oxalaia article for future FA candidacy after I helped get it to GA, and it was suggested to me on this[8] peer review that the page needs consistent citations for FA. Honestly I love editing articles but citation cleanup personally gives me a headache. So I'd really appreciate it if you could make the referencing more consistent, Thanks! ▼PσlєοGєєкƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ (Contribs) 02:02, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Happy to help. Can you please fix the wikicode in your signature? It is very broken. At a minimum, please replace the closing font tags with closing span tags. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:39, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Ah, so that's why the signature wasn't accepted by my preferences. Sorry, I know nothing about wikicode and the guides were a bit vague on the subject. Also, thanks for the citation cleanup! Could you please do the same for Atlanticopristis? It's undergoing a GA review, should be my last request for now. (Link to the review[9]) ▼PσlєοGєєкƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 06:30, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 Done, I think. And your signature is much better. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:52, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

US Patents are not copyrighted[edit]

Resolved

Hi there. I noticed that you blanked an Rapid Automatic Cascode Exchange as a copy violation based on direct copying from a US patent. But US patents are not copyrighted (except possibly some images within the patent if so marked). The copied text must be attributed but a failure to attribute does not require blanking, and of course the copied text may not be suitable for other reasons. I'm not sure how to proceed. -Arch dude (talk) 15:27, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Fixed. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:13, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

May 2018 GOCE drive bling[edit]

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This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling over 4,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE May 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg (talk) 16:51, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
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This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copyediting six old articles during the GOCE May 2018 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg (talk) 16:51, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Great to see the backlog that low! – Reidgreg (talk) 16:51, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Rapid Automatic Cascode Exchange[edit]

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No assertion of notability, no reliable sources, A patent is a primary and unreliable source.

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June 2018 GOCE newsletter[edit]

Guild of Copy Editors June 2018 News
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Welcome to the June 2018 GOCE newsletter, in which you will find Guild updates since the February edition. Progress continues to be made on the copyediting backlog, which has been reduced to 7 months and reached a new all-time low. Requests continue to be handled efficiently this year, with 272 completed by the end of May (an average completion time of 10.5 days). Fewer than 10% of these waited longer than 20 days, and the longest wait time was 29 days.

Wikipedia in general, and the Guild in particular, experienced a deep loss with the death on 20 March of Corinne. Corinne (a GOCE coordinator since 1 July 2016) was a tireless aide on the requests page, and her peerless copyediting is a part of innumerable GAs and FAs. Her good cheer, courtesy and tact are very much missed.

March drive: The goal was to remove June, July and August 2017 from our backlog and all February 2018 Requests (a total of 219 articles). This drive was an outstanding success, and by the end of the month all but eight of these articles were cleared. Of the 33 editors who signed up, 19 recorded 277 copy edits (425,758 words).

April blitz: This one-week copy-editing blitz ran from 15 through 21 April, focusing on Requests and the last eight articles tagged in August 2017. At the end of the week there were only 17 pending requests, with none older than 17 days. Of the nine editors who signed up, eight editors completed 22 copy edits (62,412 words).

May drive: We set out to remove September, October and November 2017 from our backlog and all April 2018 Requests (a total of 298 articles). There was great success this month with the backlog more than halved from 1,449 articles at the beginning of the month to a record low of 716 articles. Officially, of the 20 who signed up, 15 editors recorded 151 copy edits (248,813 words).

Coordinator elections: It's election time again. Nominations for Guild coordinators (who will serve a six-month term for the second half of 2018) have begun, and will close at 23:59 UTC on 15 June. All Wikipedia editors in good standing are eligible, and self-nominations are encouraged. Voting will take place between 00:01 UTC on 16 June and 23:59 UTC on 30 June.

June blitz: Stay tuned for this one-week copy-editing blitz, which will take place in mid-June.

Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators: Corinne, Jonesey95, Miniapolis, Reidgreg and Tdslk.

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Rolling Stones edit[edit]

Hi, I'm a bit puzzled by this edit where you removed archive URLs calling them "bogus". How so? I thought it was pretty standard practice per Wikipedia:Link rot. --Laser brain (talk) 15:21, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

The archive URLs in each of those citations pointed to an archive of a single article that was not the same as the article being cited in each of the citations. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:49, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-24[edit]

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June 2018 GOCE Blitz bling[edit]

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This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling between 1 and 1,999 words (including rollover words) during the GOCE June 2018 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg (talk) 12:13, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Comment needs copyedit[edit]

Hi. I noticed that the comment you left on Twofingered Typist's talk page is in need of a little copyedit. Probably a missing word. Cheers! Thinker78 (talk) 18:07, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Thinker78: Thanks, that was kind of you. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:13, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Template:WikiProjectCard[edit]

Was this template meant to be 'unblanced'? LintHint said it was missing an end tag, which is the repair I'd attempted to make. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:14, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

If it was meant to be 'unbalanced' by design then the LintHint script needs a whitelist. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:14, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
I don't know why LintHint would have tagged it as erroneous. If you count the divs, you should see that they are balanced. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:13, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
I did count them , They are NOT balanced. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:57, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
Hmm, you may be right. It looks like one more may be needed after "Unknown". Make sure to check those WikiProject pages where the template is used if you make a change. Are the WikiProject pages showing in the Linter list? – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:29, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
Very odd, still getting a warning about a stripped tag.. Even though {{WikiProjectCard}} is blanced up. I think some other template is wrong as well. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 00:48, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
I think you fixed it with the new /div in the correct place. Well done. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:00, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Just letting you know....[edit]

The date for the wikibreak is over. Regards. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 07:05, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Champion, thank you! – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:47, 18 July 2018 (UTC)