Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
  Policy   Technical   Proposals   Idea lab   Miscellaneous  
The technical section of the village pump is used to discuss technical issues about Wikipedia. Bugs and feature requests should be made in Phabricator (see how to report a bug). Bugs with security implications should be reported differently (see how to report security bugs).

Newcomers to the technical village pump are encouraged to read these guidelines prior to posting here. Questions about MediaWiki in general should be posted at the MediaWiki support desk.

« Older discussions, 121, 122, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 130, 131, 132, 133, 134, 135, 136
Centralized discussion
Proposals: policy other Discussions Ideas

Note: inactive discussions, closed or not, should be archived.

Table cell contents spilling over.[edit]

. When viewing the following table in the mobile version of the site, some text from the first column spills over into the adjacent cell of the second column.

Team Constructor Chassis Power unit Tyre No. Drivers
Italy Scuderia Ferrari Ferrari SF15-T[1] Ferrari P 5
Germany Sebastian Vettel
Finland Kimi Räikkönen
India Sahara Force India F1 Team Force India-Mercedes VJM08[2] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 11
Mexico Sergio Pérez
Germany Nico Hülkenberg
United Kingdom Lotus F1 Team Lotus-Mercedes E23 Hybrid[3] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 8
France Romain Grosjean
Venezuela Pastor Maldonado
United Kingdom Manor Marussia F1 Team[4] Marussia-Ferrari TBA Ferrari 059/3[5][6] P TBA
United Kingdom Will Stevens
Flag of None.svg TBA
United Kingdom McLaren Honda McLaren-Honda MP4-30[7] Honda RA615H Hybrid P 14
Spain Fernando Alonso
United Kingdom Jenson Button
GermanyMercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team Mercedes F1 W06 Hybrid[8] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 6
Germany Nico Rosberg
United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton
Austria Infiniti Red Bull Racing Red Bull-Renault RB11[9] Renault Energy F1-2015 P 3
Australia Daniel Ricciardo
Russia Daniil Kvyat
Switzerland   Sauber F1 Team Sauber-Ferrari C34[10] Ferrari P 9
Sweden Marcus Ericsson
Brazil Felipe Nasr
Italy Scuderia Toro Rosso Toro Rosso-Renault STR10[11] Renault Energy F1-2015 P 33
Netherlands Max Verstappen
Spain Carlos Sainz Jr.
United Kingdom Williams Martini Racing Williams-Mercedes FW37[12] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 19
Brazil Felipe Massa
Finland Valtteri Bottas

Anyone got an idea what's causing this and/or how to solve this. Tvx1 22:24, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

I don't have a mobile device and it looks right for me in both desktop and The table has a coding error in {{nowrap|{{nowrap|Mercedes PU106B Hybrid}} which should only have one {{nowrap}}. Does it help to remove that:
Team Constructor Chassis Power unit Tyre No. Drivers
Italy Scuderia Ferrari Ferrari SF15-T[17] Ferrari P 5
Germany Sebastian Vettel
Finland Kimi Räikkönen
India Sahara Force India F1 Team Force India-Mercedes VJM08[18] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 11
Mexico Sergio Pérez
Germany Nico Hülkenberg
United Kingdom Lotus F1 Team Lotus-Mercedes E23 Hybrid[19] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 8
France Romain Grosjean
Venezuela Pastor Maldonado
United Kingdom Manor Marussia F1 Team[4] Marussia-Ferrari TBA Ferrari 059/3[5][6] P TBA
United Kingdom Will Stevens
Flag of None.svg TBA
United Kingdom McLaren Honda McLaren-Honda MP4-30[20] Honda RA615H Hybrid P 14
Spain Fernando Alonso
United Kingdom Jenson Button
Germany Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team Mercedes F1 W06 Hybrid[21] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 6
Germany Nico Rosberg
United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton
Austria Infiniti Red Bull Racing Red Bull-Renault RB11[22] Renault Energy F1-2015 P 3
Australia Daniel Ricciardo
Russia Daniil Kvyat
Switzerland   Sauber F1 Team Sauber-Ferrari C34[23] Ferrari P 9
Sweden Marcus Ericsson
Brazil Felipe Nasr
Italy Scuderia Toro Rosso Toro Rosso-Renault STR10[24] Renault Energy F1-2015 P 33
Netherlands Max Verstappen
Spain Carlos Sainz Jr.
United Kingdom Williams Martini Racing Williams-Mercedes FW37[25] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 19
Brazil Felipe Massa
Finland Valtteri Bottas
Does it help to remove all nowrap (may be controversial in an article), or for simplicity replace them by {{identity}} as here:
Team Constructor Chassis Power unit Tyre No. Drivers
Italy Scuderia Ferrari Ferrari SF15-T[27] Ferrari P 5
Germany Sebastian Vettel
Finland Kimi Räikkönen
India Sahara Force India F1 Team Force India-Mercedes VJM08[28] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 11
Mexico Sergio Pérez
Germany Nico Hülkenberg
United Kingdom Lotus F1 Team Lotus-Mercedes E23 Hybrid[29] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 8
France Romain Grosjean
Venezuela Pastor Maldonado
United Kingdom Manor Marussia F1 Team[4] Marussia-Ferrari TBA Ferrari 059/3[5][6] P TBA
United Kingdom Will Stevens
Flag of None.svg TBA
United Kingdom McLaren Honda McLaren-Honda MP4-30[30] Honda RA615H Hybrid P 14
Spain Fernando Alonso
United Kingdom Jenson Button
Germany Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team Mercedes F1 W06 Hybrid[31] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 6
Germany Nico Rosberg
United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton
Austria Infiniti Red Bull Racing Red Bull-Renault RB11[32] Renault Energy F1-2015 P 3
Australia Daniel Ricciardo
Russia Daniil Kvyat
Switzerland   Sauber F1 Team Sauber-Ferrari C34[33] Ferrari P 9
Sweden Marcus Ericsson
Brazil Felipe Nasr
Italy Scuderia Toro Rosso Toro Rosso-Renault STR10[34] Renault Energy F1-2015 P 33
Netherlands Max Verstappen
Spain Carlos Sainz Jr.
United Kingdom Williams Martini Racing Williams-Mercedes FW37[35] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 19
Brazil Felipe Massa
Finland Valtteri Bottas
PrimeHunter (talk) 04:56, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for mentioning that coding error. That didn't cause the problem however. Actually it did not do any harm at all. If you click on the link to the mobile view and then reduce the width of your browser screen to the minimum you will see the text from the first column spilling over. Using the identity template doesn't solve it. Tvx1 05:38, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
I already tried the minimum width on mobile and it works for me. I get a horizontal scroll bar and no overlap. I will stop guessing. It's too hard when I don't have the problem. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:51, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Since I'm not able to explain the issue with text, I have made a screenshot:


As you can see, content from the first column is spilling over into the second. Tvx1 21:20, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't spill over for me. Based on the amount of spillover in your screenshot, maybe your browser doesn't reserve space for the flag icon when the column width is calculated. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:05, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
Multiple user have reported this to me though, regardless of which browser they use. Tvx1 06:54, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
I think you're spot on there. Either the flag icon isn't taken into account, either it's just counted as a 1px character. Is there a way to solve this? Tvx1 19:07, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Does it change anything if the size of the image is increased, or removed altogether? Googol30 (talk) 04:06, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Well, cells without flagicons don't spill over into other, no matter how wide they are. But we want to have them in that table. Tvx1 10:13, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
And does making the icons larger make the problem worse? What I'm trying to determine is how the browser is interpreting what it's given and why it isn't making the cells large enough. If the browser isn't making sufficient space for all of the elements the cell contains, should we worry about that, since it's then the fault of the browser, or find a workaround and try to fix the problem on our end, even if the mobile browser isn't working as expected? I didn't seem to catch what your mobile browser even is. If I could replicate the problem on my end, I could attempt to fix it, but the desktop version of Chrome I'm running handles element widths as expected. Let me add a table with the changes I'm thinking of for illustration:
Team Constructor Chassis Power unit Tyre No. Drivers
Italy Scuderia Ferrari Ferrari SF15-T[37] Ferrari P 5
Germany Sebastian Vettel
Finland Kimi Räikkönen
India Sahara Force India F1 Team Force India-Mercedes VJM08[38] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 11
Mexico Sergio Pérez
Germany Nico Hülkenberg
United Kingdom Lotus F1 Team Lotus-Mercedes E23 Hybrid[39] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 8
France Romain Grosjean
Venezuela Pastor Maldonado
United Kingdom Manor Marussia F1 Team[4] Marussia-Ferrari TBA Ferrari 059/3[5][6] P TBA
United Kingdom Will Stevens
Flag of None.svg TBA
United Kingdom McLaren Honda McLaren-Honda MP4-30[40] Honda RA615H Hybrid P 14
Spain Fernando Alonso
United Kingdom Jenson Button
Germany Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team Mercedes F1 W06 Hybrid[41] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 6
Germany Nico Rosberg
United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton
Austria Infiniti Red Bull Racing Red Bull-Renault RB11[42] Renault Energy F1-2015 P 3
Australia Daniel Ricciardo
Russia Daniil Kvyat
Switzerland   Sauber F1 Team Sauber-Ferrari C34[43] Ferrari P 9
Sweden Marcus Ericsson
Brazil Felipe Nasr
Italy Scuderia Toro Rosso Toro Rosso-Renault STR10[44] Renault Energy F1-2015 P 33
Netherlands Max Verstappen
Spain Carlos Sainz Jr.
United Kingdom Williams Martini Racing Williams-Mercedes FW37[45] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 19
Brazil Felipe Massa
Finland Valtteri Bottas

Of course, this is an extreme size change, but it's to troubleshoot things here. Does this make the problem worse, fix it, or make no difference whatsoever? Googol30 (talk) 23:42, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Googol30, that makes the problem much worse. Here is a screenshot:
In case I hadn't made it clear yet, this is an issue that only occurs on the mobile version of the site. The only mobile browser I have thus far identified not to be affected by this issue is Firefox. All other mobile browser have this problem. I mostly use mobile Safari, but as said other mobile browsers are affected as well. Tvx1 00:37, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Move option has gone missing (All pages)[edit]

Hi there, I recently tried to move the page Project 15B to a new name Vishakapatanam-class destroyer, only to find out that my move option has gone missing! I don't have the slightest clue what might have happened! Later a kind user from RCchat helped me by moving the page himself and suggested that my .js might have caused the problem. But I'm not sure which .js is the culprit or what should I do even if I find one... This issue persists on all the pages I visit! Here is what it looks like. this link. Can someone throw some lighten here... Thanks in advance! --†ããrøn95® 12:16, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Is it on the "More" tab? Do you get a move form or error message at Special:MovePage/Project 15B? Do you get a Move tab or a move option on the More tab if you disable "Add Page and User dropdown menus to the toolbar" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:32, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi @PrimeHunter:, thanks for your quick reply..! The more tab previously had 'auto ed' and 'Google Trans'.. but after disabling "Add Page and User dropdown menus to the toolbar", the move option magically came into the more tab!! But can't I enable "Add Page and User dropdown menus to the toolbar" with move option?? there are no errors, just the move option missing! Regards--†ããrøn95® 12:48, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
I enabled that gadget and found the move option under the Page menu. Maybe another gadget or script you have installed is removing it. Try disabling other gadgets until it comes back. Reach Out to the Truth 13:11, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
It's also on the "Page" menu for me when "Add Page and User dropdown menus to the toolbar" is enabled, also in my autoconfirmed non-admin account. I don't know why it's missing for you. What is your browser? Do you have it in MonoBook? I have it in both MonoBook and the default Vector (other details vary, they don't use the same script). Do you get a normal move form and not an error message at Special:MovePage/Project 15B? PrimeHunter (talk) 13:31, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi @Reach Out to the Truth:, check this link to find out what I see in Pages option. I've also tried disabling all the gadgets from preferences.. Yet, no use! It still won't appear in Pages dropdown...! Thanks for your reply! Hello @PrimeHunter:, I am using Chrome. No, I use Vector! I tried MonoBook, it's still not there. Yes, I do get a normal move form in Special:MovePage/Project 15B and not an error message. The only problem is, I don't have a move option in pages.. Regards --†ããrøn95® 13:41, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
It works for me in Chrome. Try to clear your entire cache. I see you got the rollbacker right yesterday. Do you think Move disappeared after that? If it's possible then may I temporarily remove rollbacker from you? It shouldn't make a difference but rollbacker and move are both rights and the page script MediaWiki:Gadget-dropdown-menus-vector.js tests for the move right so it's conceivable that another right messes something up somewhere. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:05, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi @PrimeHunter:, I too suspect that the rollback right might have caused the problem.If the 'temporary revoking' won't do any harm to my future benefits Face-wink.svg, you may do so... Regards --†ããrøn95® 15:10, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

OK, I have removed rollbacker.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 15:18, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Bwallah!! Move Page is Back in pages drop down!!! @PrimeHunter: --†ããrøn95® 15:33, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Great! Pinging MusikAnimal who maintains the script. I have given you rollbacker back. Please say whether the move link on the page tab has disappeared again. You can still move a page by for example entering Special:MovePage/pagename in the search box, or disable the gadget during the move. But let's hope MusikAnimal can make it work. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:52, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: Gone again (Move page again missing) !! Face-sad.svg. But thanks for all of your help! Face-smile.svg--†ããrøn95® 16:00, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm unable to reproduce this. I used MusikPuppet which is has only rollback, then went to Project 15B (w/o redirect) and I see the Move link. The script works by checking permissions. The "move" permission should be present for any registered user, regardless of any additional rights. However there is some caching of the user rights, so we don't have to make extra AJAX calls (user permissions don't change often). Maybe that's the issue... @Jaaron95: What browser are you using? I'm going to have you check your rights by making the API call through your browser's JavaScript console. MusikAnimal talk 16:10, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi @MusikAnimal:, I am using chrome... let's make the call... Face-wink.svg --†ããrøn95® 16:14, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
@Jaaron95: If you are using Windows hit Control+ Shift+J ( Command+ Option+J on Mac), then type the following and hit Enter: mw.user.getRights().then(function(data){prompt("",data)}) then copy the selected text to your clipboard (Control+C) and paste it here. MusikAnimal talk 16:22, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
This one.. Right?--†95® 16:30, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Yeap that's what I was looking for. You have the same exact permissions as my test account MusikPuppet, so I don't think that's the culprit. Let's try clearing the MoreMenu cache, if for some reason it got stuck at a time where you somehow did not have the move permissions, which again, should always be there for registered users. Back in the JavaScript console, type this and hit Enter: $.jStorage.deleteKey('mmCacheDate'); $.jStorage.deleteKey('mmUserRights') Refresh the page and let me know if you see the Move link. MusikAnimal talk 16:37, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Jaaron95 is autoconfirmed so this shouldn't be an issue but just for the record, only autoconfirmed (and confirmed) users have the move right, as shown by Special:ListGroupRights. I have an alternate account which is not autoconfirmed. As expected, the account has no move link anywhere whether the gadget is enabled or not, and Special:MovePage/Project 15B displays "Permission error You do not have permission to move this page". PrimeHunter (talk) 16:42, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Ah yes, it is restricted to (auto)confirmed users. The script doesn't care about most user groups though, instead favouring checking permissions because they are consistent across wikis. The cache only last for a week, so unless Jaaron95 wasn't confirmed a week ago the move permission should be there. MusikAnimal talk 16:51, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
@MusikAnimal: hurrah!! You got that right geek!! Move option is back and is spic and span! Thank you for your time! MusikAnimal and you too PrimeHunter!! Face-smile.svg --†95® 16:55, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Glad to hear it! Though I'm still baffled how this happened. Welp, if anything, thank you for finding the bug! :) I will investigate further. MusikAnimal talk 17:02, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia and ISPs[edit]

Occasionally I have seen persistent Wikipedia vandals warned along the lines of "We will report you to your ISP and they will block your Internet access". It surprises me greatly that any ISP would block someone's Internet access merely on the basis of a complaint from Wikipedia. Has there ever been a case of this happening, or any realistic prospect of it ever happening, or are such warnings just empty threats? (I am asking out of curiosity, but I would like to make it clear that I have never vandalised Wikipedia myself, nor do I have any intention of ever doing so.) (talk) 13:59, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Per WP:BEANS this will probably not be answered —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 17:48, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia would never ask an ISP to block. We have our own internal protocols to to deal with this sort of thing.--Aspro (talk) 19:35, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
ISP's have been contacted. See Wikipedia:Abuse response. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:46, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Do you know with what outcome? (talk) 19:22, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
It's important to remember that "ISP" in this context means one of four things: the ISP for a home or small business; the IT department for a school or library; the IT department for a large business; and the IT department for a government agency. Some react and some don't. From the school and library category, I know that some students have received stern warnings. In the third category, the response may depend on whether the contact is about spam or about other problems. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:50, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Can "ISP" really mean an IT department for a business, agency or school? Is that standard usage of the term? I can believe that organisations' IT departments may possibly respond in some way if contacted directly about abuse of computers they are responsible for. What I can't believe is that what I would call an "ISP" (i.e. a telecoms company) would discontinue all Internet service to a customer on the basis of a complaint from Wikipedia. I wouldn't be surprised if in my country it would even be illegal for them to do so (at least, not without a complicated legal process involving wider issues). That is what the warnings that I referred to appeared to me to be implying. (talk) 17:08, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
In practice, "an ISP" is whatever's in between you and the next upstream provider, and is providing you with a way to reach the rest of the internet. There are many university networks that are at least as large as the "telecom-style" ISP I use at home, and more than a few corporate networks dwarf it.
Not only is it "legal" to cancel accounts for any violation of the contract (are you giving out your wifi password too freely for their taste? Did you set up a low-traffic e-mail server in your home even though your contract specifies "no servers"?), there are some US laws that may require it under certain circumstances.[2] Copyright violations are one of those. It's also normal to disconnect service for spam. I don't know if the UK has similar laws, but even the most heavily regulated telecom-style ISP will have the right to cancel your internet service if you violate the terms of your contract with them. Whether something like spamming Wikipedia will "count" as a contract violation will depend on the contract. WhatamIdoing (talk) 07:34, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
I also don't know if the UK has similar laws, but some of our broadband suppliers include conditions like these. See for instance the Terms and Conditions for Plusnet Residential Services, particularly section "Plusnet Residential Standard Terms" items 16 and 22. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:52, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Obsolete <big>...</big> in the Edit toolbar[edit]

To confirm, is this locally configurable or should this instead be put in Phabricator? EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 14:40, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

See above; it should be raised in Phab to find a suitable replacement (probably using a span). Local versions may be customized to call {{big}} instead. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 16:21, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
It is already tracked since 2012, but it is considered low priority. Helder 19:20, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Image alt text: can be with the image[edit]


-- wrong forum. -DePiep (talk) 18:21, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

As far as I understand the WP:ALT TEXT topic: there could be a default alt-text (per language) for each image. In any article, an editor can overwrite that default all right. (personally, I find it tiresome to having to re-read the alt-text essence again and again to get it, and then having to re-enter my same(?) handcrafted text for an image). -DePiep (talk) 19:25, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Where does it say (or imply) that "there could be a default alt-text (per language) for each image"? ―Mandruss  19:41, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Not "it" says so, it is "me" saying (suggesting) so.
For example (using the file from said WP:ALT TEXT). File:Jacques-Louis David 017.jpg, can have the alt-text "The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries" at commons, for lang=en, by default. In an article at enwiki about "Napoleon's career", an editor could overwrite this default by using good old |alt=Painting of Napoleon the day after he became Emperor (in 1804). -DePiep (talk) 20:25, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
@DePiep: Oh, you're making a proposal for a change. For that, you might get more response at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). ―Mandruss  09:09, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Get it, will go to the right forum (coined it! ;-) ). -DePiep (talk) 18:21, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

This idea has been proposed by me and others before, but hasn't gotten enough support to be implemented to date. See Phabricator bug T21906. --agr (talk) 02:25, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Template doc: why that intimidating useless bar?[edit]

About {{High-use}}: can someone please turn this into a sidebar box, by default, instead of a being an affonting intimidating useless intro? Really, not a single editor comes to {{Convert}} to change the template. So why warn them, this intimidating way? They come to the documentation page to use the template. -DePiep (talk) 21:38, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Good point. Helder 02:31, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
I have an idea. Ignore it. It shouldn't affect you then. It's just a simple reminder to those who do edit templates to use the sandbox and carefully preview. The notice also follows the standard page notice setup. 90% of people reading a Wikipedia article come to read it, not edit it, but they are still displayed the big notices at the top of articles too. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 02:38, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
EoRdE6, yes I can ignore it, now tell that to the visiting editors ('readers'). And to be honest, your reply reads like an ignore the question. Never met that before. -DePiep (talk) 18:25, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Template space arent for readers - its for editors - and the message is a warning not to edit it without consensus on the talk page (for template editors/admins) and an explanation why the rest of us cant edit the high risk 800 transclusion template. Christian75 (talk) 18:39, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Most editors do not edit templates. Maybe we could convert it into an edit notice? Alakzi (talk) 18:43, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
re Chris75: visitor of a template home page, like this, are 99% article editors who want to apply the template, not to edit it. No need to scare them off with a big bad irreleant bar. Already, the Lua and Translate notices have sided nicely already in my demo link. -DePiep (talk) 18:57, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Click it. The BANG takes six lines. -DePiep (talk) 19:23, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
And let's not forget: Christian75 always throws shit at me without even reading the question. -DePiep (talk) 23:27, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
@DePiep: - Please document that, og revert your edit. Christian75 (talk) 10:05, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
The idea that it is intimidating is nonsense. It is a thin yellow box with text and a picture of an exclamation point. Now, if it were a huge red box with lots of text and bolded lines, that would be another thing. As far as not really needing it, well, okay. I wouldn't mind seeing it in an edit notice instead. But there shouldn't be a hubbub about it, either way. Killiondude (talk) 00:24, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
  • The reason I think the box should stay is that I hate protected pages1, and after template editor was introduced a lot of templates are "template editor protected". Before the new level of power was introduced, they would have been semi-protected or not protected at all. The high-risk, and high-use boxes shows that this is a page which "everybody cant edit" despite the "slogan" of Wikipedia. 1I fully understand a template with 40.000 transclusion should be protected Christian75 (talk) 10:05, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Suggestion, full protection, because everything that might need "frequent" updates is already in a separate /doc subpage, and full protection has a nice icon (page status indicator) not needing extraneous prose. JFTR, I passionately hate pointless full protections, but a finished template is finished, period. –Be..anyone (talk) 13:40, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Template protection has got nothing to do with whether a template is "finished". Templates are protected in cases where a vandal or a well-meaning - but inexperienced - template editor could cause widespread disruption; see WP:HRT. Alakzi (talk) 13:47, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
That's what I said, semi-protection plus allegedly affronting intimidating useless intro has the same purpose as full protection without intro. –Be..anyone (talk) 14:03, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Not Staying Logged In[edit]

For the last few days I've been having problems where if I'm inactive for a while, I get logged out and have to log back in, even if I checked the remember me box. At first I thought it was being caused by Huggle, but even on my laptop, which doesn't even have Huggle, I'm having the same problem. I asked Apparition11 if he was having any issues, but he's fine, so I wanted to see if anyone else was having this issue and/or what the issue could be. It's localized only to Wikipedia, as I'm staying logged in just fine (provided I checked the remember me box, which I did) on my other sites like YouTube, Facebook, and my forums. - Amaury (talk) 19:09, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

@Amaury: I've been having the same issue too on both my computers. It's not just you. --Ahecht (TALK
) 19:49, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Glad to hear it's not only me. - Amaury (talk) 19:52, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Happening here too. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 20:35, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

This is probably related to SUL finalization, see my comment here. Sorry about the trouble, it'll be over soon :) Legoktm (talk) 14:44, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, Legoktm! Keep us updated. :) - Amaury (talk) 16:03, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
I believe that SUL finalization finished about half an hour ago. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 07:13, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

{{math|R}} and {{math|C}} are not viewable in mobile view[edit]

It looks like there is nothing there. —User 000 name 09:11, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Now that‍ '​s what I call an imaginary unit! (I'll get my coat.) — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 10:29, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Seriously, though, the Math is showing up for me there on Ubuntu/Firefox. Perhaps it's a browser or device issue - which were you viewing it with? — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 10:31, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
I guess you wrote "{{math|R}} and {{math|C}}" because you had trouble writing what the article actually says: "{{math|ℝ}} and {{math|ℂ}}" which renders as " and ". If we skip the {{math}} part then we are left with the characters "ℝ and ℂ". On a desktop computer with Firefox I see the right symbols in all cases at both the desktop and mobile view. I guess your mobile device does not support those characters, Double-Struck Capital R and Double-Struck Capital C at Letterlike Symbols. I see all characters there except Fax Sign (), Double-Struck Small Pi (), Per Sign (), Symbol for Samaritan Source (). In those cases Firefox displays a square with the Unicode number. Maybe your device shows nothing when it encounters unsupported characters. Just to be clear, I assume you are not saying that you see the characters at the desktop view and they are only missing at the mobile view PrimeHunter (talk) 10:50, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
{{math}} does nothing in mobile view (which will have to be rectified). That means whatever device you are viewing it on simply does not support the characters ℝ and ℂ. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 11:34, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Anything that {{math}} does right now is purely decorative anyways. The content should be visible, if you have a mobile device that is shipped with half a decent font set at least. :) —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 11:43, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Just tested mobile view on Android; they fail to show, meaning native font support is lacking. With {{math}} in desktop view however, at least it falls back to a serif font. So it is not purely decorative. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 12:31, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Scrap that... Somehow, these characters will only show in desktop view, and only in {{math}}, and I don't know why. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 13:25, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Serif vs sans-serif font-family is what probably would make the difference between desktop and mobile. It might be that the font fallback works different if only one type of font has the glyph. We set texhtml to have an explicit serif font-family on Desktop view. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 15:59, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
I know, I created it. I tested all permutations of the serif declaration, and still Android refuses to display ℝ and ℂ in all of them. The fallback only works with the full font stack on desktop view, but not on mobile view. There should be no difference. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 07:41, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Language --> Add Links[edit]

Praemonitus (talk · contribs) is having trouble using the 'Add links' entry under the Languages section to add non-English language links to an article. Please offer advice here. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:35, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Article count is off?[edit]

Recently there was an issue of a sudden article count jump. Now the article count seems to be moving too slow: 4.856 million, which would imply that only 7,000 articles have been created this month. Since the article creation rate is normally 20-30k per month, either it has slowed down considerably, or the article counter is not working correctly. GregorB (talk) 17:11, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

M is for Mystified[edit]

M cursiva.gif
N cursiva.gif

Why is the thumbnail for M not showing up like N? The full size picture appears with no problem. Same issue on Simple. --NeilN talk to me 20:44, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

It works for me in Firefox. What is your browser? Does it look like an image might be there but your browser is unable to display it? PrimeHunter (talk) 20:54, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
I have Firefox 37.0.1 - the upper box contains a blue link to the file that looks like M cursiva.gif, and not the image. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:00, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Sounds like a thumbnail cache problem - those usually depend on what size you have thumbnails set to display in your preferences. (It appears fine for me, and I have them set to display at 300px.) Now if only I could remember how you clear the thumbnail cache... — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 21:04, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
And sure enough, setting my thumbnail size to 220px causes the M thumbnail to not display properly. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 21:08, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Purging the file's description page (on Commons) seems to have fixed it. Jackmcbarn (talk) 21:15, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Jackmcbarn, thanks! --NeilN talk to me 21:42, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

I need a character that does nothing[edit]

I know I've seen this on one of the help pages but I have no idea where to look. I discovered a situation where I need a character, which I can put between two other characters, which will not appear but will change what those two characters do.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:17, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

"does nothing ... will change" sounds contradictory. Maybe you want something in Category:Control characters. We may be able to say more if you say which type of change you want, or describe the problem you are trying to solve. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:52, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
@Vchimpanzee: If this is for MediaWiki's parser, then putting <nowiki/> between the two other characters should do what you want. Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:58, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I used <nowiki> ... </nowiki>, but I thought there was a neater solution.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 23:05, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
Looking at the other solution, I may have been looking for Zero-width space. The specific problem is that [sic] is the proper way to use "sic", but I wanted a wikilink (sic) for anyone who might wonder what that meant.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 23:09, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
How about {{sic}}, which gives [sic]?--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 23:13, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
That's it! Thank you. I was thinking there ought to be a template since people will run into that, and there was. And I see you did the fix for me too.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 16:01, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

User:UBX -> User:UBX~enwiki Broke Everything[edit]

Ok so we seem to have an issue here. User:UBX was automatically renamed to User:UBX~enwiki, resulting in all 7,243 subpages being moved with no redirects thus breaking 7,243 userbox templates (like the one on my userpage). Any idea what to do now? EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 02:57, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

There is probably a more graceful solution, but could we get a bot run approved to create the 7k redirects? Monty845 03:00, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Why can't we get a steward or global renamer and rename the account back and move them back? — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 03:18, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
It broke more than just UBX. I was using a User:Christopher template on my userpage which also broke, so I had to creat a redirect. Dustin (talk) 03:19, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Well then @Keegan (WMF): who is supposed to be managing this stuff, are any of these ideas feasible? EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) — Preceding undated comment added 03:25, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the ping. There are many feasible options/ideas. Bot, AWB, there are several ways to solve this on the community end.
The global User:UBX is owned by @Liangent: on the Chinese Wikipedia, but it's not being used. Liangent, would you be willing to have the zhwiki account renamed and then I can rename UBX~enwiki back to UBX? That would probably be the easiest solution. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 03:58, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
After talking it over with Liangent and Legoktm on IRC, renaming back and forth probably isn't going to be the best option, so we have a quick bot request instead. We'll get this cleaned up :) Keegan (WMF) (talk) 04:36, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

There was absolutely nothing wrong with using User:UBX so why change it? Also, I've also been noticing "REDIRECTS" showing up in some of my userboxes. If somebody could let me know what's going on, it would be great. You can leave a message on my talk page, please. Gregdox (talk) 03:34, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

This is all due to SUL finalization. Eleven years in the making, the process is unfortunately bound to cause some temporary issues. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 03:58, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Hmm, I guess User:Mets501 didn't have a confirmed email address set up on that account and forgot he had this account :( —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 07:41, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Legobot has moved most of them back, a few were blocked by the titleblacklist. If someone could take care of those manually, that would be appreciated. Legoktm (talk) 08:07, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

I'll do those ones. Hang on a sec... — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 09:25, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Ok, all done now. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 09:37, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Nope. User:UBX/water is broken on my page. The others on the page are fine. Akld guy (talk) 09:47, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
@Akld guy: That's probably just because the job queue is still catching up. Try purging the page - that should fix it. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 09:50, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

On editing User:UBX, I get a "User account "UBX" is not registered" message. I'll try to get Liangent to visit enwiki using their UBX account to fix that. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 10:03, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Purge worked instantaneously at 10:03. TYVM! Akld guy (talk) 10:06, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Very nice. Thanks to all for the quick action to rectify this! Swarm we ♥ our hive 15:01, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

...and now A WMF bot has nuked USER:Example. :( --Guy Macon (talk) 16:08, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

I fixed this one. Cenarium (talk) 16:44, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
It is now - the account is now created on this wiki. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 08:42, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Updating graph on Wikipedia editor retention[edit]

Enwp retention vs active editors.png

File:Enwp retention vs active editors.png is a very interesting, helpful and often used image. It is also very, very old: it shows data for up to 2009. User:Howief_(WMF) who uploaded it was asked if he can update it several times over the past few years but it seems he cannot do it (at least, he is not replying to those requests, see commons:User_talk:Howief_(WMF)#Update_reqeuest). Perhaps someone else could help? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:19, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Indirect answer, click on the image, go to commons if you are not already on commons, click on "more uses" in the global uses, click on 500 to get rid of the enwiki uses at the begin, scroll down to strategy wiki, and now, if you know that this is a frozen read-only historical wiki, with a finished frozen strategy:Editor Trends Study page based on polls and interviews, the data for a fresher image simply might not exist. –Be..anyone (talk) 12:44, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Improving editor retention is one of the WMF's main focuses and it's been a driving force behind a lot of their software development and community activities. The suggestion that editor retention data hasn't been monitored recently is very disturbing. This graph should be update-able at the drop of a hat. Public scripts to do that would have been a great asset from this study, not only do update the graphs but to scrutinize the implementation of the method. I wonder if the code to do so in in the github link for Research:WikiPride, which is, I guess, the project that originally made the graph. I haven't followed the topic of editor retention in depth so I'm not sure. (As an aside, the reason I haven't followed it is because, in general, I'd prefer seeing the WMF focus almost exclusively on making the software/hardware side of the project great. If that is great, they've done the best they should to encourage editors will come and stay. This "build it and they will come" approach would streamline the WMF's focus and maximize the usage of a lot of donated money. The rest of the equation regarding editor retention is dependent on the community itself and the WMF trying to change that component is largely futile.) Jason Quinn (talk) 20:40, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Is there a precise description of what was measured for retention rate? My guess would be
(number of editors making at least 5 edits in month X who also made a least one edit in month X+12) / (number of editors making at least 5 edits in month X)
But that's just a guess, add one could imagine a variety other definitions, e.g. requiring at least 5 edits in month X+12, or counting it as retention is any edit was made from X+12 to present. It is not a hard thing to program, though it would take a while to run. Dragons flight (talk) 22:49, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Approximate fraction of active editors that remain active in the following month
The image at right roughly estimates what fraction of the active editor population is retained month-to-month (about 80%) and suggests that this value has been fairly stable for most of Wikipedia's history. It's not exactly what you asked about, but it would suggest there probably hasn't been large changes in 1-year retention. Dragons flight (talk) 23:34, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Category Watchlists[edit]

So currently; when you add a category to your watchlist you get notified of changes to the text on the category page. Is there anyway to watchlist a category so you get notified of changes to the contents of the category? i.e. when pages are added to or removed from the category? ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 15:43, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

No. But many of us would like that. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:58, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
And have wanted so for very long... -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 16:18, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
There is no native way to do this through the watchlist, but check out Related Changes on the Tool Lab. It is by far my favourite tool, as I use it to check whole category trees for changes on Commons. It'll work here too. Once you plug in the information you want, you can save the resulting URL to easily check later on that tree with your specific settings. You can see how I've done this on my Commons userpage on the right side. If you have any questions on how to operate it, leave a note on my talk page. Huntster (t @ c) 16:21, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
There is a tool at which will show additions to cats. Not perfect, but I do use it...Naraht (talk) 17:08, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I gave that one a try, but found it simply wasn't up to par compared to Related Changes, but perhaps others will enjoy it. Huntster (t @ c) 18:04, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
There is currently a RFC for a suggested implementation, see mw:Requests for comment/Watch Categorylinks and phab:T94414. --Sitic (talk) 17:45, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


@Keegan (WMF): the SUL finalization killed User:Example, can this be fixed? It's referenced so many places :(. Thanks! Kharkiv07Talk 16:22, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Fixed. Kharkiv07Talk 16:34, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Make an exception for U2. Cenarium (talk) 15:00, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
@Cenarium: Do you mean User:U2? That doesn't seem to be a pseudo-account like User:UBX or User:Example. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 15:21, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
@Mr. Stradivarius: He means Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#U2 Christian75 (talk) 15:26, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
I edit conflicted with you just as I realised. Sorry about that... — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 15:39, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
  • @Cenarium: Making it an exception for U2 doesn't help when anyone (or the global user who may have no connection to the local user page's purpose) can freely register this username. Per the UBX section above, looks like Mr. Stradivarius found a solution for that issue. Steel1943 (talk) 17:40, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Not anyone can create that account. It is already taken (even I couldn't create it as an account creator). — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 17:52, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
  • The global account Example is locked, so it can't be created locally. Cenarium (talk) 17:58, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Okay, I suspected that the SUL conversion worked in that manner. My concern has been resolved ... except if there are other global account that conflict with an existing user name/page set that needs to remain for technical purposes. Steel1943 (talk) 18:07, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
When software upgrades break basic functionality, the correct answer is to fix the software, not try to find a workaround. The WMF needs to make it so that certain usernames are exempt from unified log in. I will make a proposal to do exactly that. --Guy Macon (talk) 13:47, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
This exists at m:Title blacklist, and it's community managed. The WMF does not manage account names and what's permissible. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 19:22, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
  • @Keegan (WMF): Ironically, I thought that adding these names to the title blacklist would have been the resolution as well. Assuming that the Titleblacklist also prevents global account users from creating accounts on wikis which they have not registered yet, two issues would still remain: 1) The user of the global account could, in theory, have a very valid reason for wanting to claim the name on the wiki where they have not registered yet, but be blocked from doing so due to the blacklisting of their username's creation and 2) The community here on the English Wikipedia has a speedy deletion criterion designated criterion U2 that, in its current wording, would technically make pages (not redirects) of users not registered locally eligible for speedy deletion (which is the end result of these SUL migrations, given that the name that had to be moved is no longer registered after the move.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:53, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm familiar with the speedy deletion criteria :) Sure, as worded now that means pages may be eligible, which is not the same as must be deleted. It seems like tweaking the wording in the policy would rectify this; policies can be amended/clarified after all. As to the first point, I do think we're talking about far, far edge cases here and I think bringing up the discussion on the title blacklist talk page might have some fruitful solutions. Guy said that the WMF needs to make sure certain names are exempt, and I'm rebutting that: that is a community matter, not a WMF matter. Communities control what is and what is not allowed as far as usernames go. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 20:37, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
A more elegant way of doing it might be to keep a list of pseudo-users whose user pages shouldn't be moved. For these users the local account could be automatically created with the new global account owner after the bot renames the old account. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 15:21, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
This wasn't a software upgrade. This had nothing to do with software. This had to do with consolidating a broken username database system. These "breakages" as a result are actually just breaking hacks that were put in place due to an already broken system. Now that the system is fixed, these hacks can be as well. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 19:20, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
What about User talk:User 2User talk:User 2~enwiki? Not as widely used, but still a purely example account. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 18:47, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Only the user talk page was ever created (and that was by the SUL migration bot) so I don't think any action is necessary. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 08:46, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Zooming in and out results in many spaces between sections[edit]

I went to a random page (Selma Bajrami (album)) and zoomed in 400% to find the color of the text. When I pressed "ctrl+0" to go back to 100% zoom I thought that someone vandalized the page. —User 000 name 04:56, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Zooming is controlled by the browser and not Wikipedia. I tested Selma Bajrami (album) in five browsers on Windows Vista. The problem was in Chrome and Safari, but not in Firefox, IE and Opera. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:06, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
The problem appears to only occur after columns (not table columns) are used. When Chrome and Safari go back from a high zoom they apparently don't know where the column text ends, so they display a lot of whitespace after the last text in the columns. This often means the columns become so long that all the text is in the first column, and there can also be whitespace at the end of that column. The page layout is fixed if the page is reloaded. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:28, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Since it seems to only occur in the Personnel and References sections, both of which are formatted as two-column lists, I'd agree with that expln. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:38, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Color change on infobox doesn't show up on most articles[edit]

Hi all, the box:

still shows up as blue on things like Culture of Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh metropolitan area. Any reason why? Market St.⧏ ⧐ Diamond Way 07:12, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Looks like this was resolved a few hours later (a minute or two after I posted this) but interested to see if others are having this lag problem with this or other infoboxes. Market St.⧏ ⧐ Diamond Way 07:12, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Be patient; the job queue will eventually get round to updating all the pages. You can force an update to any particular page by "purging" it, as I did at Pittsburgh metropolitan area. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:25, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for that very specific answer, much appreciation! I can wait, just good to know that its in the 'pipeline'. Market St.⧏ ⧐ Diamond Way 08:10, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes, WP:PURGE will normally fix the appearance of a transclusion, although it won't fix incorrect categorisation. BTW it's not an infobox but a navbox. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:01, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Redrose64, I'm just thankful I didn't call it a hexagonal circle. Market St.⧏ ⧐ Diamond Way 06:11, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Downloading page view statistics per page[edit]

Hello, Could anyone help me with downloading and ordering daily page view statistics for ca. 125 pages on enwiki for ca. 25 month periods in a spreadsheet format? The only option I found is to download JSONs from, then convert and combine them one by one, but over 3000 pieces seem an awfully lot to do manually. I would need it for my Master thesis. Any idea? - Matthew Beta (talk) 08:52, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

It looks like this question was already answered by Nemo in (and on a general note, also be aware of Wikipedia:Consensus#FORUMSHOP with regard to bringing up the same question in several places) --Malyacko (talk) 09:21, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, I waited 24 hours for a reply first, and I didn't assume that it would be harmful in any way, if I asked the same question there. - Matthew Beta (talk) 18:22, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
@Malyacko:: Since Matthew isn't seeking consensus, I don't think the forum-shopping guideline is relevant here. In my view, it's quite appropriate to seek different opinions or solutions to a particular problem in a few different locations. — This, that and the other (talk) 04:06, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Adding coordinate field to Template:Reqphoto[edit]

Is anyone interested in adding a coordinate feature to Template:Reqphoto? I want the ability to add specific coordinates to a photo request so the requests properly show up in OSM. See: Template_talk:Image_requested#Coordinates_for_individual_photo_requests.3F.

Example: The coordinates at The Japanese School of New York reflect the school's current location in Connecticut, but I want to be able to add specific coordinates to the photo requests for the school's former campuses in Queens so they can show up in the New York City OSM photo map. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:15, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Paging Mr. @Pigsonthewing: --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:44, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
This will require integration with the osm4wiki tool. I can't comment further without having inspected its source code. You might wanna get in touch with either of the authors, de:User:Plenz and de:User:Kolossos. Alakzi (talk) 00:40, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip! I notified both users about this discussion. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:29, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Sounds like a good idea. We can also ping User:Kolossos on this project. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:04, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Getting rid of "my sandbox"?[edit]

Hi, how do I disable the new "sandbox" in my top right hand personal link bar? According to Help:My sandbox it is a gadget and I would be able to switch it on or off in the preferences. But the link there is missing. --h-stt !? 09:49, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Place li#pt-sandbox { display: none; } in your CSS. Help:My sandbox is obsolete. The sandbox link changed from a gadget to a MediaWiki feature in an extension. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:55, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
THX for the quick reply. --h-stt !? 10:19, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 136#Sandbox link --Redrose64 (talk) 11:00, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
I have updated Help:My sandbox.[3] I noticed the current feature didn't preload a red Sandbox link with {{User sandbox}} like the old gadget did, so I have created MediaWiki:Sandboxlink-preload-pagename to make the same preload. mw:Extension:SandboxLink also enables us to make an editintro with MediaWiki:Sandboxlink-editintro-pagename. Should we do that? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:29, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
PrimeHunter, Re the first paragraph of the Help:My sandbox. Where it appears probably depends on which skin. I have Modern, and the Sandbox is in the upper left on mine. — Maile (talk)
Help pages often assume the default skin. Users who change skin probably tend to have some experience and know that their skin can change the page layout. MonoBook is the most common alternative to Vector and doesn't change the placement of the Sandbox link. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:18, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Is it possible to add a custom link to that toolbar? Kharkiv07Talk 12:41, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes, with addPortletLink() in your common JavaScript. mw:addPortletLink has a bit of documentation. What do you want to do? PrimeHunter (talk) 15:25, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Well I wanted to eventually be able to link to my "dashboard" (User:Kharkiv07/Dashboard) easier. Kharkiv07Talk 15:39, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
Put the below in your common JavaScript. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:10, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
  'Show my dashboard',
Thanks a ton! Kharkiv07Talk 16:32, 24 April 2015 (UTC)


I've been having problems with Twinkle (?). This morning a block warning wouldn't go up and some error note came up, and then I found I added it twice. I had something similar last night. Just now something popped up after an AfD, though the AfD seems to have gone correctly: "Adding discussion to today's list: Failed to save edit: [ce5a25aa] Exception Caught: wfDiff(): popen() failed". Drmies (talk) 17:52, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Paging This, that and the other. Alakzi (talk) 17:55, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
That a new bug in the MediaWiki-API, see phab:T97145. --Sitic (talk) 18:44, 24 April 2015 (UTC)


hi, I think the talk page for wikiproject medicine Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine is not archiving , what should I do? (its suppose to archive articles past 14 days)--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 01:29, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

@Ozzie10aaaa: It's working fine; it's archiving sections that have had no comments whatsoever for 14 days, not those that are 14 days old. Graham87 07:18, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:35, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
@Ozzie10aaaa: To expand upon what Graham87 wrote, at the top of the page you will find a pseudo-template {{User:MiszaBot/config}}, containing the |algo=old(14d) parameter. This controls the minimum period (in days) that can elapse between the last posting to a thread and its archival. If you follow that link, you will find more information about the various parameters. If you want the time period extended, this can be done easily - but I would advise obtaining consensus at WT:WikiProject Medicine first. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:53, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:02, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Help: Am I allowed to crop this image? What's the drill? (should I upload the cropped file as new? - what tools can I use?)[edit]

File:Petar Božić.jpg Hello, I'd really like your advice on this. Gtrbolivar (talk) 09:48, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

NEVERMIND, I FOUND THE CROP TOOL. THANKS ANYWAY. Gtrbolivar (talk) 10:25, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Coding Page[edit]

Can I have the link to the page where this template {{#invoke:AutomaticArchiveNavigator|tan}} was actually coded by that markup language?
My Archive navigation is showing an error so I need it.
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 10:21, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

@Acagastya: When you come across code like {{#invoke:}} this means that a Lua module is being used. Take whatever comes after the colon, up to (but not including) the next pipe or pair of closing braces (i.e. AutomaticArchiveNavigator), and prefix that with Module: - this gives Module:AutomaticArchiveNavigator. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:41, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
@Acagastya: Your page User talk:Acagastya/Archives is displaying oddly because you have copied some template code there and then tried to comment it out. Since the code contains HTML comments, which do not nest, the effect is that only parts of the template code are commented out. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:53, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Scripts not loading[edit]

Just lately I've noticed various scripts in my monobook.js (unchanged since September 2004) are failing to load. The problem is intermittent, and refreshing page will sometimes - but not always - make them load. I'm using Firefox 37.0.1 under Windows 7 on the same machine I've used since last September. Any tips? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:07, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Are you viewing the SSL version of the site? Try changing the URLs to be protocol-relative (remove all instances of http:); Firefox might be blocking insecure requests. Alakzi (talk) 18:22, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
@Alakzi: Thanks. I am, but if that was the issue, then how would reloading fix it? Also, I'm not sure which URLs you mean - those in User:Pigsonthewing/monobook.js ? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:48, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
Having looked at your monobook.js, I don't think that's the issue. Can you paste any JavaScript or network errors from the web console when it happens? Alakzi (talk) 18:54, 25 April 2015 (UTC)


@Alakzi: Does:

"Exception in store-localstorage-update:" load.php:175:555
"NS_ERROR_DOM_QUOTA_REACHED: Persistent storage maximum size reached" DOMException [NS_ERROR_DOM_QUOTA_REACHED: "Persistent storage maximum size reached"
code: 1014
nsresult: 0x805303f6

help? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:01, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, that would be it; the quota exception is unhandled. The easiest thing for you to do is to bump the per-site quota. Navigate to "about:config", look for, and double its value. Edokter, would you be able to identify the underlying cause? Alakzi (talk) 19:21, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm not very knowledgable about local storage. Besides, I use Chrome. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 23:17, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
  • Actually, Alakzi, due to the fact that all sites share the same localstorage cache it is rare that you'll get a page load without exceeding the quota (even if you clear the cache and reload). There is actually a bug ticket on Phabricator about some part of wikipedia using all of localstorage and I'm unsure of the current status. It's more likely wikibits failing to load for you Andy. The only thing to do is a reload of the page when that happens (happens to me occasionally too). — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 22:49, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

There is at least one error in User:Frietjes/watchdoc.js, where doc_editlinks is looked up, but then the result is used without even checking if something was found. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 09:22, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Template:Winners problem[edit]

Can someone fix this problem? {{Winners}} is not working correctly by some sports. It displays a current flag instead of a flag variant.
See these examples with parameter davis & hopman:

But most of the flags/sports are displayed correctly:

Thanks, Maiō T. (talk) 13:33, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

It's not {{winners}} but its subtemplates. Compare these two {{davis-big|MNE|variant=1993|size=45x32px|name=}} {{hopman-big|MNE|variant=1993|size=45x32px|name=}} against these two {{fed-big|MNE|variant=1993|size=45x32px|name=}} {{fb-big|MNE|variant=1993|size=45x32px|name=}} --Redrose64 (talk) 14:18, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
I fixed them with this edit and this one. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:29, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Thanks !!! Maiō T. (talk) 15:02, 26 April 2015 (UTC)