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Table cell contents spilling over.[edit]

When viewing the following table in the mobile version of the site, some text from the first column spills over into the adjacent cell of the second column.

Team Constructor Chassis Power unit Tyre No. Drivers
Italy Scuderia Ferrari Ferrari SF15-T[1] Ferrari P 5
Germany Sebastian Vettel
Finland Kimi Räikkönen
India Sahara Force India F1 Team Force India-Mercedes VJM08[2] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 11
Mexico Sergio Pérez
Germany Nico Hülkenberg
United Kingdom Lotus F1 Team Lotus-Mercedes E23 Hybrid[3] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 8
France Romain Grosjean
Venezuela Pastor Maldonado
United Kingdom Manor Marussia F1 Team[4] Marussia-Ferrari TBA Ferrari 059/3[5][6] P TBA
United Kingdom Will Stevens
Flag of None.svg TBA
United Kingdom McLaren Honda McLaren-Honda MP4-30[7] Honda RA615H Hybrid P 14
Spain Fernando Alonso
United Kingdom Jenson Button
Lewis Hamilton 2015 Malaysia FP3 1.jpg Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team Mercedes F1 W06 Hybrid[8] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 6
Germany Nico Rosberg
United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton
Austria Infiniti Red Bull Racing Red Bull-Renault RB11[9] Renault Energy F1-2015 P 3
Australia Daniel Ricciardo
Russia Daniil Kvyat
Switzerland   Sauber F1 Team Sauber-Ferrari C34[10] Ferrari P 9
Sweden Marcus Ericsson
Brazil Felipe Nasr
Italy Scuderia Toro Rosso Toro Rosso-Renault STR10[11] Renault Energy F1-2015 P 33
Netherlands Max Verstappen
Spain Carlos Sainz Jr.
United Kingdom Williams Martini Racing Williams-Mercedes FW37[12] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 19
Brazil Felipe Massa
Finland Valtteri Bottas

Anyone got an idea what's causing this and/or how to solve this. Tvx1 22:24, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

I don't have a mobile device and it looks right for me in both desktop and The table has a coding error in {{nowrap|{{nowrap|Mercedes PU106B Hybrid}} which should only have one {{nowrap}}. Does it help to remove that:
Team Constructor Chassis Power unit Tyre No. Drivers
Italy Scuderia Ferrari Ferrari SF15-T[17] Ferrari P 5
Germany Sebastian Vettel
Finland Kimi Räikkönen
India Sahara Force India F1 Team Force India-Mercedes VJM08[18] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 11
Mexico Sergio Pérez
Germany Nico Hülkenberg
United Kingdom Lotus F1 Team Lotus-Mercedes E23 Hybrid[19] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 8
France Romain Grosjean
Venezuela Pastor Maldonado
United Kingdom Manor Marussia F1 Team[4] Marussia-Ferrari TBA Ferrari 059/3[5][6] P TBA
United Kingdom Will Stevens
Flag of None.svg TBA
United Kingdom McLaren Honda McLaren-Honda MP4-30[20] Honda RA615H Hybrid P 14
Spain Fernando Alonso
United Kingdom Jenson Button
Germany Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team Mercedes F1 W06 Hybrid[21] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 6
Germany Nico Rosberg
United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton
Austria Infiniti Red Bull Racing Red Bull-Renault RB11[22] Renault Energy F1-2015 P 3
Australia Daniel Ricciardo
Russia Daniil Kvyat
Switzerland   Sauber F1 Team Sauber-Ferrari C34[23] Ferrari P 9
Sweden Marcus Ericsson
Brazil Felipe Nasr
Italy Scuderia Toro Rosso Toro Rosso-Renault STR10[24] Renault Energy F1-2015 P 33
Netherlands Max Verstappen
Spain Carlos Sainz Jr.
United Kingdom Williams Martini Racing Williams-Mercedes FW37[25] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 19
Brazil Felipe Massa
Finland Valtteri Bottas
Does it help to remove all nowrap (may be controversial in an article), or for simplicity replace them by {{identity}} as here:
Team Constructor Chassis Power unit Tyre No. Drivers
Italy Scuderia Ferrari Ferrari SF15-T[27] Ferrari P 5
Germany Sebastian Vettel
Finland Kimi Räikkönen
India Sahara Force India F1 Team Force India-Mercedes VJM08[28] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 11
Mexico Sergio Pérez
Germany Nico Hülkenberg
United Kingdom Lotus F1 Team Lotus-Mercedes E23 Hybrid[29] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 8
France Romain Grosjean
Venezuela Pastor Maldonado
United Kingdom Manor Marussia F1 Team[4] Marussia-Ferrari TBA Ferrari 059/3[5][6] P TBA
United Kingdom Will Stevens
Flag of None.svg TBA
United Kingdom McLaren Honda McLaren-Honda MP4-30[30] Honda RA615H Hybrid P 14
Spain Fernando Alonso
United Kingdom Jenson Button
Germany Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team Mercedes F1 W06 Hybrid[31] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 6
Germany Nico Rosberg
United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton
Austria Infiniti Red Bull Racing Red Bull-Renault RB11[32] Renault Energy F1-2015 P 3
Australia Daniel Ricciardo
Russia Daniil Kvyat
Switzerland   Sauber F1 Team Sauber-Ferrari C34[33] Ferrari P 9
Sweden Marcus Ericsson
Brazil Felipe Nasr
Italy Scuderia Toro Rosso Toro Rosso-Renault STR10[34] Renault Energy F1-2015 P 33
Netherlands Max Verstappen
Spain Carlos Sainz Jr.
United Kingdom Williams Martini Racing Williams-Mercedes FW37[35] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 19
Brazil Felipe Massa
Finland Valtteri Bottas
PrimeHunter (talk) 04:56, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for mentioning that coding error. That didn't cause the problem however. Actually it did not do any harm at all. If you click on the link to the mobile view and then reduce the width of your browser screen to the minimum you will see the text from the first column spilling over. Using the identity template doesn't solve it. Tvx1 05:38, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
I already tried the minimum width on mobile and it works for me. I get a horizontal scroll bar and no overlap. I will stop guessing. It's too hard when I don't have the problem. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:51, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Since I'm not able to explain the issue with text, I have made a screenshot:


As you can see, content from the first column is spilling over into the second. Tvx1 21:20, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't spill over for me. Based on the amount of spillover in your screenshot, maybe your browser doesn't reserve space for the flag icon when the column width is calculated. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:05, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
Multiple user have reported this to me though, regardless of which browser they use. Tvx1 06:54, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
I think you're spot on there. Either the flag icon isn't taken into account, either it's just counted as a 1px character. Is there a way to solve this? Tvx1 19:07, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Does it change anything if the size of the image is increased, or removed altogether? Googol30 (talk) 04:06, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Well, cells without flagicons don't spill over into other, no matter how wide they are. But we want to have them in that table. Tvx1 10:13, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
And does making the icons larger make the problem worse? What I'm trying to determine is how the browser is interpreting what it's given and why it isn't making the cells large enough. If the browser isn't making sufficient space for all of the elements the cell contains, should we worry about that, since it's then the fault of the browser, or find a workaround and try to fix the problem on our end, even if the mobile browser isn't working as expected? I didn't seem to catch what your mobile browser even is. If I could replicate the problem on my end, I could attempt to fix it, but the desktop version of Chrome I'm running handles element widths as expected. Let me add a table with the changes I'm thinking of for illustration:
Team Constructor Chassis Power unit Tyre No. Drivers
Italy Scuderia Ferrari Ferrari SF15-T[37] Ferrari P 5
Germany Sebastian Vettel
Finland Kimi Räikkönen
India Sahara Force India F1 Team Force India-Mercedes VJM08[38] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 11
Mexico Sergio Pérez
Germany Nico Hülkenberg
United Kingdom Lotus F1 Team Lotus-Mercedes E23 Hybrid[39] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 8
France Romain Grosjean
Venezuela Pastor Maldonado
United Kingdom Manor Marussia F1 Team[4] Marussia-Ferrari TBA Ferrari 059/3[5][6] P TBA
United Kingdom Will Stevens
Flag of None.svg TBA
United Kingdom McLaren Honda McLaren-Honda MP4-30[40] Honda RA615H Hybrid P 14
Spain Fernando Alonso
United Kingdom Jenson Button
Germany Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team Mercedes F1 W06 Hybrid[41] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 6
Germany Nico Rosberg
United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton
Austria Infiniti Red Bull Racing Red Bull-Renault RB11[42] Renault Energy F1-2015 P 3
Australia Daniel Ricciardo
Russia Daniil Kvyat
Switzerland   Sauber F1 Team Sauber-Ferrari C34[43] Ferrari P 9
Sweden Marcus Ericsson
Brazil Felipe Nasr
Italy Scuderia Toro Rosso Toro Rosso-Renault STR10[44] Renault Energy F1-2015 P 33
Netherlands Max Verstappen
Spain Carlos Sainz Jr.
United Kingdom Williams Martini Racing Williams-Mercedes FW37[45] Mercedes PU106B Hybrid P 19
Brazil Felipe Massa
Finland Valtteri Bottas

Of course, this is an extreme size change, but it's to troubleshoot things here. Does this make the problem worse, fix it, or make no difference whatsoever? Googol30 (talk) 23:42, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Googol30, that makes the problem much worse. Here is a screenshot:
In case I hadn't made it clear yet, this is an issue that only occurs on the mobile version of the site. The only mobile browser I have thus far identified not to be affected by this issue is Firefox. All other mobile browser have this problem. I mostly use mobile Safari, but as said other mobile browsers are affected as well. Tvx1 00:37, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Googol30, does my above reply hold any value for you regarding this issue? Tvx1 13:25, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
@Tvx1: yes, and I've done some research into the problem, finding that this is actually intended behavior of the nowrap attribute. Sadly, I do not have enough technical knowledge of its use within MediaWiki or on Wikipedia to properly fix this issue, so I regret to inform you that although (I think) I know what is causing the problem, I cannot properly fix it without potentially causing more problems elsewhere. Googol30 (talk) 11:04, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
And do you know anyone who could be able to fix it, or do you think it would be better to file a bug report over on Phabricator? Tvx1 15:55, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
I'd say, if you haven't already, to file a report on Phabricator, possibly linking to there from here to give anyone looking for the problem here a place to continue searching.Googol30 (talk) 20:09, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Tvx1 13:08, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Very slow category population from stub templates[edit]

I created this category 10 days ago, and it's still not fully populated from the stub tag. The transclusion count states there are 70 articles with the stub, but so far it's showing 56 articles in the category (it had about 40 a few days ago). Why is it taking so long to update? Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:53, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

The job queue was altered for Parsoid (IIRC) in mid 2013, since when it hasn't worked as well as it did previously. Judging by mw:API:Purge, visiting may get the counts straight again. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:59, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I've created a couple of similar categories in the last two days - will check their progress in June! Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:45, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
In the past couple of years, I have seen category population from templates take up to 100 days. It can be quite frustrating. I submitted a bug on Bugzilla somewhere, and there is a post in the VPT archives, I believe, but it's been a while. If you search for my user name, you might find it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:08, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Its the bonus from one template fits all. Anybody know whats the setting for the job queue is? (fifo, random or timestamp) Christian75 (talk) 19:54, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Still stuck at 58. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 18:02, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Right, I've made this edit. It is not a WP:NULLEDIT, since a diff exists (and it shows in the page history, my contribs, etc.) but it has no effect on the action of the template. However, it should get the transcluding pages into the job queue. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:01, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
62! Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:34, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
62! Still. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 13:15, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
I've just looked through all 70 transclusions of the template, and they all say that they are in the category. It occurs to me that this may not be a job-queue problem, but a category-counting bug (tracked as phab:23230). I'm just about to bot-null-edit all of the transclusions to see what happens. Watch this space... — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 14:57, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
@Lugnuts and Mr. Stradivarius: As Technical 13 noted elsewhere on this page, the job queue has been down for some days, so when a template is changed, the changes are only propagating through to articles as and when those articles are edited; and only at that point are the cats populated, one article at a time. I've been deliberately refraining from WP:NULLEDITing the transcluding pages, in order to see when the job queue picks up again. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:33, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
  • According to Legoktm, the job queue has been back up. There is something else going on because I've watched it go from 19.7 million yesterday morning to about 21.8 million right now and still climbing at a steady rate. I'm wondering at what threshold it will be time for a few more resources to be given to the queue to knock it back down to acceptable levels (or what an acceptable level even is). — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 15:50, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Well the null edits worked, so it was definitely the job queue that was the problem. Sorry for ruining the job-queue test. (Although maybe something in userspace could be used to test that instead?) — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 15:56, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you all. I've created several other similar categories since I logged this, and I've gone down the route of null-edits to populate them. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 14:00, 12 May 2015 (UTC)


Mobile web Chrome. I made this edit; now I have been experiencing a lot of issues. (1) Beta was enabled. (2) Picture loading was disabled. (3) I had this weird box full of technical writing at the top of pages (it is gone now; after I clicked on it, everything got worse). (4) I get a prompt nonstop that my edit was saved even though I'm not making edits (severe). (5) Pages are taking longer to load as if there is something new being loaded (this is the worst). (6) The page isn't loaded properly for a second then it is fine. (7) There is a big space on edit summary pages. (8) The page in which I thank editors is a mess. (9) Of course there is the notifications system bug above. I have tried logging out (while I was logged out testing things for a few minutes, all these things are still happening). I have tried making a null edit. I have tried clearing some "website settings" in Chrome. I tried setting my preferences to default. I tried turning off my phone. Of course everything is all fine on desktop view. It is not my phone because other websites are fine. This needs to be resolved. —DangerousJXD (talk) 23:25, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

It would be great if you could take a screenshot of what you see. Also, have you tried using another mobile browser? Is this on Android or iOS? Additionally, though you are experiencing a trial in your life, it's best not to demand results. Editing via mobile Wikipedia is new and full of bugs. Patience is required. Killiondude (talk) 03:45, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Killiondude, thanks for responding. I have the high tech knowledge of a stereotypical 70 year old so uploading a screen shot is a no no. I just tried using the browser on my phone called "browser" but it's the same. It is Android. I am sorry if it sounded like I was "demanding results". —DangerousJXD (talk) 03:58, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
We do have a guide at WP:WPSHOT, but I don't know how applicable it is to mobiles. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:42, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
It would be too hard to time it right to take a picture of the 4th thing I listed for example. As I said, uploading pictures is not for me. Notifications appear to be fine now. 1 and 2 are obviously fine now (because I turned them off). 3 as I said is gone (that is what I think made the first 2 items happen. 4 and 5 are the most important thing here. 6, 7 and 8 are still a thing but they are minor compared to 4 and 5. —DangerousJXD (talk) 22:10, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
I can report that the 4th and 6th issues I reported in my initial post appear to be have been fixed. —DangerousJXD (talk) 04:22, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
I have discovered that the loading issue is (most of the time) non-existent for the loading involved when you save an edit; otherwise, the loading issue is still happening. It is a pain to navigate. —DangerousJXD (talk) 08:56, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
I would again like to state I am still experiencing loading issues. —DangerousJXD (talk) 21:47, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────The loading issues are gone. —DangerousJXD (talk) 07:37, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Template:R from ASCII[edit]

Four category pages display Template:Redirects from titles without diacritics/Explanation which states when Template:R from ASCII and Template:R to ASCII should be used, but they are deprecated, so the advice seems to need updating. – Fayenatic London 17:21, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Paine Ellsworth, have you seen this? I can't remember where the central venue is for R from ... templates. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:55, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Hi, ya'll – yes, I am aware of this situation and want to look into it. It seems to me to need more study, as I've found several items on the What links here pages of the rcats that don't appear to fall into the instructions found on the /Explanation subpage. Another seemingly mangled mess that I want to untangle and provide more clarification. I haven't yet taken the opportunity to give it the time it deserves. – Paine  19:09, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
OK, thanks, Paine, I'll leave it to you. – Fayenatic London 15:39, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, Fayenatic London! I updated the rcats and the explanation page, so they hopefully make more sense now. Feel free to help out with further edits because, as I'm sure you know, here on Wikipedia there is always room for improvement. Thank you! and Best of everything to you and yours! – Paine  05:01, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
OK, that seems to make good consistent sense now, in that the templates recommended are no longer deprecated. Looking around, I see that the category name Category:Redirects from titles with diacritics makes sense, but the name Category:Redirects from titles with ASCII makes me think of halal water. Does anybody here think "Category:Redirects from ASCII-only titles" would be an improvement? – Fayenatic London 10:25, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
I found myself wondering the same thing, and that's one of several reasons that I had trouble understanding what was going on. It appears that the original namers thought ... heck, I don't know what they were thinking. Now that I have familiarized myself with what they were trying to accomplish, I'm pretty much okay with the cat and rcat page titles as long as things are clear enough in their content/documentation. – Paine  17:21, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
OK, I have nominated the two "with ASCII" categories at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 May 16#Category:Redirects to titles with ASCII. – Fayenatic London 19:15, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
And Redrose64, is this what you were seeking? – Paine  05:01, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Well, its talk page looks like the right one. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:13, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
We have a bingo! Face-smile.svg – Paine  17:21, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Gender specification in Preferences[edit]

In my Preferences, in the User Profile tab, it says, "How do you prefer to be described?" The choice is "She edits wiki pages" or "He edits wiki pages" or "I prefer not to say". It also says, "This information will be public." My question is, how do I see how another editor has set this preference? Mudwater (Talk) 13:52, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

mw:Help:Magic words#gender shows how to do it in wikitext. It's used by {{Gender}}. For example, {{Gender|Mudwater}} produces: he. It's currently nominated for merging and displays "See Tfm" before the pronoun. I don't know a simply way to see the setting without previewing such wikitext, but a script could be made if it doesn't already exist somewhere. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:17, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) There are other templates without that annoying "See Tfm" - for example, {{heshe}} {{himher}} and etc. For example, {{heshe|Mudwater}} → he; but {{heshe|Redrose64}} → he or she. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:28, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: @Redrose64: Thanks. Mudwater (Talk) 10:50, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Watchlist: marking all pages as visited[edit]

At present, the "Mark all pages as visited" button on the Watchlist special page does so as at the time that the button is pressed. This has the effect that I need to take note of the last time on the watchlist, as pages that have not yet been displayed to me on my watchlist but have since been edited will be marked as visited. I then have to find that time in the updated list to see which entries I have missed. It would make sense to change the function so that only the updates up to the time at which the displayed page was generated get marked as visited. Would this be reasonable? —Quondum 14:28, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Why can you not refresh the page before pressing the button? Sam Walton (talk) 22:59, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
I am forced to, else I lose my place in reviewing changes. And if I forget to refresh just beforehand, I lose where I was. Which means, I have to review and edit everything on the page, then refresh, and review and edit everything new, then ... you get the idea. It forces me to get all the way up to date before I can clear everything that I have chosen to skip. With a large watchlist, this means I cannot take a break until I'm absolutely up to date, and even then I might miss the newest items that were updated in the seconds between finally scanning the list and clicking the button, so a still have to remember the last time on the list when I click. In contrast, I cannot see any problems if my suggestion is implemented. Go through the list, do all the needed edits, call it a day, hit the button, and take that much-needed break. Come back, and the watchlist tells me exactly where I left off. Isn't that what the watchlist is intended for? —Quondum 21:26, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Are you using NAVPOPS (or similar) to check pages on your watchlist? Because if you're going to the pages themselves, then there is never a need to click the 'Mark all pages' button. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 02:19, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm just using the standard Special:Watchlist page. I don't open every page, because several relate to things I'm not involved in at the moment, or I can see from the edit comment what it is. Why can't anyone understand what clean functioning is? I'm not interested in workarounds; this must impact everyone to some degree. —Quondum 02:30, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Here's my workflow, FWIW: 1. Refresh the watchlist page. 2. Cmd-click (Ctrl-click) on all diffs that I want to view, which opens them in new tabs in the background. 3. Refresh the watchlist again if I am worried that my clicking took too long or if I got distracted. 4. Mark all pages as watched. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:48, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
I've been editing WP long enough to figure out a workflow that works (and I also use your approach at times). I'm not interested in workarounds, since I already have them. What I'm saying is that it can be changed so that it always works right, and people learning to use watchlists won't first have to stumble over this, then figure out a workaround. Tell me that it involves work that no-one is going to do, or put it on the worklist – or tell me to get lost. Just please stop behaving like my suggestion is not an improvement to consider. —Quondum 04:10, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
This sounds like a perfectly reasonable feature request to me. To get it looked at and possibly implemented by the MediaWiki developers, you will need to file it in Phabricator, which is where bug tracking and feature tracking for the software are done. The devs will know better whether this is feasible and how much work it would take to implement. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 05:59, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, that was essentially what I was after. I've logged a request ( with low priority. I'll leave it to whatever action that triggers. —Quondum 06:33, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Weird blocking time[edit]

I'm sure this has come up before but ... I blocked an IP for 5 years after it started vandalizing straight off a 2.5 year block. However, the block length has come up as 4 years, 365 days, 43 minutes and 12 seconds [1]. I'm sure there's a logical reason (and it doesn't really make a difference), but it just seemed odd. Black Kite (talk) 11:13, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

  • There are 5 years, 8 hours, 40 minutes and 56 seconds until 5 years have passed. (refresh) I know that Trappist the monk has been working with time on the Template talk:Countdown#Inappropriate precision template, and maybe they can shed some light on this subject for you. I'm guessing it's just a combination of how PHP parses dates and time and a difference in time zones and/or daylight savings time. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 12:34, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
    • I don't know how the block time display is rendered but Editor Technical 13's guess seems reasonable. —Trappist the monk (talk) 13:12, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Leap year? –xenotalk 12:53, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
    • I've encountered this before: sometimes I've decided to block a user for one second less than whatever the long period of time will be (e.g. 729 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes, 59 seconds), so I'll pull out the calculator and figure out how many seconds two years is, and then I'll subtract one and block for that number. When this happens, I've sometimes noticed that it ends up several hours short; I've always attributed this to a calculator-operation mistake by me, not knowing that it would happen on a simpler thing like "5 years". Nyttend (talk) 15:02, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
      • Nyttend, how many seconds are in a year? 31,536,000; 31,557,600; 31,622,400, or some other number (365, 365.25, and 366 day years respectively)? — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 15:10, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
        • I guess I'd normally do 31,535,999 seconds, or 157,766,399 seconds for a five-years-minus-one-second block (four years of 365 days, one year of 366), but when that happens, it routinely ends up with random numbers like Black Kite mentions, rather than being short a day here or there. Nyttend (talk) 15:16, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
          • Ahh... I see. So, if you set a 5 year -1 second block anywhere from March 1, 2011/2015 to February 28, 2012/2016 you'd end up with the incorrect number of seconds (2012/2016 are leap years, so the seconds should have been for 366+365+365+365+366 days or 157,852,800 minus a second. If you wanted to be more precise, 157,788,000 minus a second for 5 365 14 day years should always be correct. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 15:44, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
            • One might use the #time: parser function to figure out how many seconds there are between now (or some date) and a date 5 years hence:
              {{#time:U|now + 5 years}} → 1590271984 seconds UTC
              {{#time:U|now}} → 1432419184 seconds UTC
              {{#expr:{{#time:U|now + 5 years}}-{{#time:U|now}}}} → 157852800 seconds
            Trappist the monk (talk) 16:01, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

My guess is that this is because of the way strtotime extension is coded in MediaWiki. It causes blocks to be calculated by adding relative times to midnight of the current day (notice the '0' in mktime). For example, if you block at 23:59 for one day it will actually be for one minute. strtotime call Mamyles (talk) 16:09, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Of course, that would be assuming it's calling the extension rather than the PHP strtotime built-in function. Perhaps someone else wants to take a look at that code, which calculates blocks. Mamyles (talk) 17:04, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
That extension is not used here. Anomie 01:47, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

For the actual block, a duration of "5 years" is calculated by PHP's strtotime function in the way you'd expect: the same date 5 years hence. But MediaWiki's Language::translateBlockExpiry function that turns an English expiry like "5 years" into something in the local language can't be so smart. When it's not something in MediaWiki:ipboptions (in the target language), it calculates the duration relative to the epoch to use as seconds-since-the-epoch, and then breaks that timespan into something more appropriate in the local language. For years it uses 31556952 seconds (365.2425 days), the mean length of a year in the Gregorian calendar, leading to more rounding errors. Anomie 01:47, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

{{Collapse}} with whole header cell as collapse toggle[edit]

Instead of only having a [show/hide] toggle, is there any way to make the whole header line the toggle with a collapsible table/section? Where it just adds an icon or something, and a user could click on anything in the header that isn't a link to another page in order to collapse/expand the content.

Basically sometimes a more descriptive line would be of use, like when there is 'Additional information'. This way there could be the basic info/links on the line too, without taking up an extra line to explain what the additional, collapsed information is. -— Isarra 20:28, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Technically, it could be done, but it runs the risk of clashing with other links in the header. I think no one is interested in investing time in patching up the old collapsible code however... we should switch to mw-collapsible, which has been available for years, but has never been used (due to lacking support for autocollapse). -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 21:12, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
That would be phab:T32352. Helder 15:54, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Alright, thanks, guys. Maybe we'll see some progress on that at the hackathon or something soon. *cracks knuckles* -— Isarra 17:34, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Undoing move from User to User:User[edit]

Assuming that this move was a mistake, will moving it back cause any weird namespace problems? Normally I would just fix it myself but this one makes me a little nervous. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 22:46, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

See also phab:T50239 and phab:T36848. Helder 15:53, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Articles missing from What Links Here (WLH)[edit]

For example Shashmaqam links to Feudal which is a redirect to Feudalism. Shashmaqam correctly shows in the WLH for Feudal, but is missing from the WLH for Feudalism, even though other second-level links for Feudal show up in the Feudalism WLH. In fact I've identified over 500 articles that are not showing up in the Feudalism WLH by using the MediaWiki API:Backlinks and finding the full list of backlinks that way. -- GreenC 03:04, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Special:WhatLinksHere/Feudalism shows 500 entries coming via "Feudal (redirect page)", and then moves on to other links. I haven't found mention of this limit but many things in MediaWiki are limited to 500. If you test other examples also stop at 500 then you could mention it in Help:What links here#Redirects. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:20, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
PrimeHunter. Ok the 500 limit is suggestive of a bug. The 500 limit is set by the API. After 500 you need to recursively call the API until all entries are received. However this process is slightly different for second-level backlinks, the coding is a little different, it changed with a previous version of MediaWiki. It looks like the code to display the backlinks on the main site was not updated to reflect the changes in the API and the end result is only 500 second-level backlinks are being displayed. It might be possible this was done intentionally, to limit second level backlinks to 500.. but I can't understand why since there is no mechanism for users to go beyond the 500 limit (short of writing their own code via the API) and there is no notice saying the backlinks are incomplete. -- GreenC 16:27, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
The API has nothing to do with Special:WhatLinksHere. Anomie 02:17, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Well whatever. WLH isn't actually reporting "What Links Here". -- GreenC 03:22, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Blockquote and image problems[edit]

see here for the image clashing horribly with the blockquote on South China Sea. I thought I fixed it by moving it to a different section, but it's still there through several refreshes. Using Opera 12 on Win7, the last to use Presto (layout engine). hbdragon88 (talk) 06:58, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Probably a bug in Presto, so unlikely to be fixed. I've moved the image down. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 07:54, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

AutoWikiBrowser unusable due to missing lang name in sitematrix[edit]

After the new version of Mediawiki went live today, AWB users are unable to log in. See bug report. Ok, you don't have to cheer so loudly. I can't make heads or talks with the changelog for the new update. Anyone have suggestions? Bgwhite (talk) 03:43, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

T91240 ("'bh' is not a valid language code") and this release note are probably related to the problem. GermanJoe (talk) 11:30, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Anyone, who can add a name for Bihari (bh) language in sitematrix enum? This rather trivial problem keeps current AWB release unusable, see bug report. --Teslaton (talk) 10:58, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

We have raised a phabricator ticket and are waiting for one of the wikimedia devs to get back to us. Rjwilmsi 11:32, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Starting a paragraph with a space after a nowiki code block results in rendering that paragraph as code[edit]

Normally, one should be able to have some text rendered as code, like this,

and then the next paragraph after the proper end of that block should look normal, like this.

However, if I have some text rendered as code, and then

that next paragraph starts with a space, like this, it's rendered as code.

This does not appear to be consistent with Help:Dummy_edit or meta:Help:Newlines and spaces which seems to suggest that space shouldn't make a difference, and seems to violate ending tags. What's up with that?

(Discovered here.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProtectorServant (talkcontribs) 13:20, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with the "nowiki code block". Starting a line with a space is special in wikitext. See Help:Wikitext#Limiting formatting / escaping wiki markup. Anomie 13:29, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Yep, and it's done that for longer than I've been around (six years). It's not going to change. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:05, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
  • So, if there was some reason you needed to start a sentence with a space (which you really shouldn't, for just about anything), you'll have to use one of the templates, an html entity, or a nowiki wrapped space. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 21:54, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Wow, that's not obvious. Thanks for your helpful explanations and pointer. --ProtectorServant (talk) 02:50, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Negative entry total[edit]


On the admin dashboard (as visible at User:Peridon/links), the total for Category:Wikipedia protected edit requests shows -1 entries, but the category is empty. The 'click here for other backlogs' bit also shows -1. Is this supposed to happen? (BTW the counter on the RfA for Abecedare seems to be broken too...) Peridon (talk) 15:52, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

This is in Template:Admin dashboard/header, where the value returned by {{PAGESINCAT:Wikipedia protected edit requests}} is 0, but for some reason is displayed against Wikipedia protected edit requests with 1 subtracted: {{#expr: ({{PAGESINCAT:Wikipedia protected edit requests}} - 1)}} → -1. This fiddle has been in place since 21 August 2010. For some reason, the same value is used for Click here to locate other admin backlogs, which has been in place since the item was added on 13 May 2012. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:45, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
But I don't see a problem with Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Abecedare 2. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:48, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Regarding the RfA tally being outdated, the bot has not been updating it for about 30 hours. I notified the bot owner yesterday. Mamyles (talk) 16:52, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

That is User:Cyberpower678/RfX Report. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:10, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
The bot's tally is used for both the report template and at the top of the RfA. Mamyles (talk) 17:38, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
The admin dashboard counts should all be fixed now. I'm double checking as we speak to make sure the counts all match, so don't yell at me if one is a little off, I'll fix it quickly... — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 20:34, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Peridon — Redrose64 — Mamyles: Yes check.svg Done{{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 20:43, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
I worked it out - the subtraction of 1 was so that Category:Wikipedia semi-protected edit requests didn't get counted; it was removed from the category just over a week ago by MSGJ (talk · contribs) so for a few days the count was out by 1. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:55, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
  • The changes I just made to the template make it so that only pages are counted on most of those listing, there is no more manual modification of numbers using #expr: since there is no need for it. I also trimmed out a bunch of formatnumber: stuff because that is built right into the PAGESINCAT function itself using the |R for Raw data. Let me know if any of the counts that I trimmed subcats/files off of need to have those counted and I can adjust for that. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 21:50, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks, folks. Peridon (talk) 14:42, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Script request[edit]

Heya, I see at Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Requests that if I have a script request I can come here. I imagine this probably isn't complicated, but what'd be helpful for me is a script that I could activate while at an article, that would take me to and propagate the page name field with the name of the article. Hard? Easy? Useless? Thx, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:44, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Have you examined the code here - If this doesn't meet your needs can uo be a bit more specific about the requirements?ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 20:16, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
@ShakespeareFan00: I just tried it, it works, great pitch! Thanks for that, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:49, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikimedia error[edit]

Just for documentation:

Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem. This is probably temporary and should be fixed soon. Please try again in a few minutes.

If you report this error to the Wikimedia System Administrators, please include the details below. Request: GET, from via cp1065 cp1065 ([]:3128), Varnish XID 3994251179 Forwarded for:, Error: 503, Service Unavailable at Thu, 14 May 2015 21:15:40 GMT — Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:20, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Does one not simply log out of mobile?[edit]

The power button for logging out of mobile Wikipedia isn't there anymore. Where did it go? -- t numbermaniac c 22:15, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

That bug is phab:T98759, and is in their current worksprint. HTH. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 23:06, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Alright then, but how do I log out until it is fixed? -- t numbermaniac c 05:55, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
@Numbermaniac: You could place a Special:UserLogout link on your user page, perhaps. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:04, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
"One does not simply log out of mobile !" couldn't resist :) KoshVorlon Rassekali ternii i mlechnye puti 16:27, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
an untested workaround: in my experience, logging out from any machine and project in SUL will log you out from all the borwsers and projects. i did not verify that "mobile" will log out also, but i can't imagine it should behave differently, so the answer will be: logging out from any desktop browser will log out the mobile also. you can then log-in back on the desktop - the mobile will remain logged out. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 22:12, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Interwiki searches and case-sensitivity[edit]

It's always irritated me that, though the English Wikipedia's search engine allows us to search other Wikimedia projects, such searches don't follow the same rules regarding case-sensitivity as searches that are confined to this wiki. For example, typing "kazuo ishiguro" into the search box takes me to Kazuo Ishiguro (not Kazuo ishiguro, which doesn't exist), because the search isn't case-sensitive. But typing "q:kazuo ishiguro" goes to the Wikiquote page q:Kazuo ishiguro (which doesn't exist), not q:Kazuo Ishiguro (which does), because in this case it is case-sensitive. (If I search for "kazuo ishiguro" using the search bar on a Wikiquote page, however, I'm taken to q:Kazuo Ishiguro.) As far as I know the same applies for the various other interwiki codes: n: for Wikinews, b: for Wikibooks, c: for Commons, and so on, and language codes too. Ideally such searches would work in the same way as searching the wiki you're looking at, rather than adding the extra level of complexity that case-sensitivity creates. Obviously it's not the biggest deal, but I wonder if a fix for this might be a possibility? – Arms & Hearts (talk) 05:45, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Actually, an interwiki prefix in the search box doesn't make a search at all. It just jumps to a specific url determined by meta:Interwiki map. q:kazuo ishiguro jumps to which automatically capitalizes the first letter by redirecting to As you say, it doesn't go to the article at, but it also doesn't make a search like You could technically make a search by including it in the pagename like q:special:search/kazuo ishiguro, but of course users will not do that. The interwiki map includes many non-MediaWiki sites which may have various url formats to perform a search if they even have a search function. I suppose it would be possible for the software to say that if you enter an interwiki prefix in the search box which is known to be a Wikimedia wiki, or possibly any MediaWiki wiki, then go to a suitable search url instead of the url for a pagename at the wiki. There could also be a feature where meta:Interwiki map can specify two target url's, one to use for wikilinks and one for the search box. Then searches could also work at some non-MediaWiki wikis. Pedantic note: The interwiki map includes some entries which are designed to always perform a search, also as wikilinks like google:foo. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:08, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: I just learnt something... Who knew that there is a wikilink for a Google search! I'm going to use that now Face-smile.svg thanks! EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 20:48, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I just tried the google trick above on reference 19 of Plummer v. State and couldn't get it to work, so I didn't save the edit. Would someone like to take a shot at it so I can look at the syntax you used? --Guy Macon (talk) 00:21, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Google:Plummer v. State... [[Google:(search term)]] works for me Guy Macon. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 00:28, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
I may have misunderstood your question... Just ignore me. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 00:29, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
@Guy Macon: I did it (actually this time), right here. Was that what you meant? EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 00:33, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Not exactly. Try putting quotation marks around the text in Google's search box and see how many hits you get. Then replace the underscores with spaces and see how many you get. --Guy Macon (talk) 00:51, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
A Google search performed by myself cannot be guaranteed to return the same result as one performed by yourself; hence, a Google search results page fails WP:V and so cannot be used as the linked source in a reference. --Redrose64 (talk) 04:52, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
The technical section of the village pump is used to discuss technical issues about Wikipedia, and thus your comment is off-topic. If you post the same objection on the reliable sources noticeboard (which I monitor) I will be glad to have a discussion there as to why I believe you are mistaken, but i will not discuss policy questions here, and I advise others here to do likewise.
Getting back to the topic at hand, to search Google for a phrase you should enclose the phrase in quotation marks and separate the words with spaces. I was unable to get that to work using the google.* method when I tried it on Plummer v. State. --Guy Macon (talk) 05:53, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Google search result as a direct source. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:28, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
If I search "Your Right of Defense Against Unlawful Arrest" in quotation marks at Google then I get a url with q="Your+Right+of+Defense+Against+Unlawful+Arrest", so the corresponding wikilink is google:"Your+Right+of+Defense+Against+Unlawful+Arrest". But I think it's better to use {{Google}} here. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:12, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Solved. That solved the syntax question. A search with plus signs gives the same result as a search with spaces. Thanks! --Guy Macon (talk) 17:16, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Problem with user contributions[edit]

Take a look at [2] and [3]. Jeannierebecca thought she was responding in the correct place but her response ended up two questions above. I put the response where she obviously intended it. This happens to me a lot on The Teahouse as a new question might have gotten asked since I started reading, but when I see something to respond to, I end up responding to the wrong question. But her contributions indicate she responded in the right section, which shouldn't have happened.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:24, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

  • I'm sure there are already have a dozen different tickets for this on Phab. It's caused by (a) section(s) above being added or removed while the person has an open edit window. This usually happens on the Teahouse because it is top posting, but it happens elsewhere due to the way things are archived. The Teahouse has a unique advantage to solving the issue in "most" cases for people that use the "Join this Discussion" JavaScript (part of the "Ask a Question default on gadget" in that the JavaScript "could" do a sanity check and ask the API which section has a header matching the one that it should be in (the only issue with this is in cases where there are multiple sections with the same header, in which case it will be difficult to discern which one to put it in). — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 21:26, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I find that I end up trying to post in the wrong section if the number of sections changed after I started reading. However, the contributions in this case show the incorrect section, which sounds like a bug to me.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:38, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
  • That is the correct threshold whether you use the default gadget or not. The [edit] link for each section is coded in a way that specifies a specific section number (which causes another whole set of issues if there are transclusion on the page that add sections) and from when you start reading until you click "Save page" or add my comment, you are locked into that section. There is nothing that can be done for those not using the gadget (without a massive change in the way the core software works) but those using the script have an advantage that the script could check "just" before submitting and have a lower chance of hitting an (edit conflict) or posting in the wrong spot. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 21:57, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I haven't experienced this problem. I suspect the gadget causes it. The post is about [4]. Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets has "Ask a question" feature for the Teahouse project. I don't use the gadget but maybe the user did. The gadget adds a "Join this discussion" link next to the section edit links, and makes its own little edit box and a button to save the edit. I don't know how the gadget works but maybe it registers the section number and heading when you click "Join this discussion", and later edits that section number when you click "Add my response", but uses the originally registered section heading in the edit summary field. In the example another user added three sections at the top [5] two minutes before the post which was inserted three section earlier than it should. This is consistent with my theory. I think the normal section edit link would either merge a new post in the correct place or give an edit conflict. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:43, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
  • It's been known to put posts in the wrong section as well as cause (edit conflict)s because I've had it happen on other pages. It's also part of the reason for "no diff" edit conflicts that people save through not knowing there is an issue and something changed. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 21:57, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I have only had the issue when using the gadget on the Teahouse, it places it in whatever section number it was when you clicked on it, not when you submit it. I don't know enough coding outside of C# to fix that (hell I don't know enough coding in C# either) EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 22:11, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Also going to add that an easy way to tell if it was done by the gadget, the gadget uses a default edit summary of "response" lowercase, nothing else, and others normally use "re or reply" EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 22:13, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
  • I'd suggest that the Gadget should have a tag, but until MediaWiki talk:Tag-OneClickArchiver is resolved, it would need an RfC to accomplish that and I've no energy to start another RfC for something so silly. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 23:25, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Extra sandbox link in my top menu[edit]

Several years ago when userspace sandboxes became "a thing" I used a custom common.js script, dicussed at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 97#"My Sandbox" link, to create a menu item for User:Dodger67/Sandbox (note the upper case "S") and disabled the default link to User:Dodger67/sandbox in my Gadgets options. I also redirected User:Dodger67/sandbox to User:Dodger67/Sandbox.

I did all this because I had already created a fairly complex set of sandbox pages and sub-pages at User:Dodger67/Sandbox. Recently I have noticed that the previously suppressed default menu link to User:Dodger67/sandbox has reappeared in the top menu, the Gadget option has dissapeared and to cap it all the link is not following the redirect! I have a "grammar-nazi" dislike of page titles that start with a lower case letter so I'm rather reluctant to move my whole current Sandbox setup to "sandbox". How do I get rid of the redundant and wrong top menu item? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 22:25, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Placing this in your CSS:
li#pt-sandbox { display: none; }
PrimeHunter (talk) 22:36, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
  • The redirect is working fine, even from the standard sandbox link. I just tested it myself. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 22:56, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
    • You redirect was malformed. Try again. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 22:58, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
      • @Edokter: Sady untrue. A. Doesnt matter what line for redirect, more importantly B. the sandbox link adds &redirect=no if your sandbox is a redirect. Try it by putting a redirect at the very top of your sandbox, it won't follow it. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 00:10, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
        • This is caused by mw:Extension:SandboxLink, which was recently enabled on this wiki to replace the old JavaScript gadget. In the source code, you can see that the extension is explicitly set to not follow redirects. I've created phab:T99335 to request that redirects always be followed. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 02:12, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
          • Then why don't I have '&redirect=no' in my sandbox link? (edit) Never mind, probably didn't update the page. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 06:40, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
  • I've also added a {{Tracked}} for Phab:T99214 which is a request to "Add a switch on Special:Preferences to unenable the Sandboxlink". — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 13:24, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
    • That one I have declined outright. We shouldn't have user options to hide individual interface elements. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 19:48, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

How many bytes have I added per edit?[edit]

Is there an edit counter which tells me how many bytes on average I add in my 20,000 odd contributions? Thx in advance, AshLin (talk) 00:55, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Try -- t numbermaniac c 03:35, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Thx Numbermaniac, doesn't help though! AshLin (talk) 08:34, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
This raises a good question, why does X!'s tools display Ø change per page (bytes): extended on pretty much everyone's contributions... EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 03:20, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Looking for answer and help!!!![edit]

Please someone help me in this problm...... In this portal recently I add a template named 10 numbered subpages in Selected articl sectione. After adding this template, why that articles are not showing in the portal page. Pls help me out.--Iqsrb722 (talk) 13:27, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

I've little experience with portals, but I've copied the way a working portal did things and at least its displaying articles and pictures. You, or someone, else will have to check what I've done and tweak the settings. - X201 (talk) 13:48, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
I Know that, if you a reviewer pls review my edits. thanks for your reply. --Iqsrb722 (talk) 13:57, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
ohhhh Face-surprise.svg, Its done , thanks dear X201 Face-smile.svg Thank you,--Iqsrb722 (talk) 14:05, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

@Iqsrb722: Each selected picture needs to be formatted with the {{Selected picture}} template. I've done the first picture as an example. - X201 (talk) 15:00, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Search engines and article redirects[edit]

Would someone be kind and explain to me if external search engines such as google deal with redirects? Do they index them? Or is redirecting just a tool to facilitate intra-wiki searches?

If there is a site/article etc. where I could explore more about how google indexes articles on wikipedia, please point me there. Thank you in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wesalius (talkcontribs) 07:34, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Google has a very general article about how their search works here, but it doesn't mention Wikipedia explicitly, and from this search it doesn't seem that an article specific to Wikipedia exists. Google's spidering algorithms are proprietary, and they have no obligation to reveal how they work to anybody. That said, a Google engineer might give you a better answer if you ask a question at Google's support site. If you hear back from them, please let us know. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 12:09, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

File with empty name?[edit]

Check this. The query should list the oldest files on Wikipedia. It finds numerous files from 2002 which could easily be some of the oldest files. However, it also finds a file with empty name:

<img name="" timestamp="2015-05-17T11:50:13Z" url="" descriptionurl="" ns="6" title="File:" />

What is this? All files need a name, but this one doesn't have a name. Also check the timestamp: 2015-05-17T11:50:13Z was a few minutes ago when I looked at the query output in my browser. --Stefan2 (talk) 11:55, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

There is, somehow, an entry in the "image" table in the database with all empty fields. An empty timestamp is equivalent to "now" in MediaWiki's timestamp-reformatting function. Anomie 10:33, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Clock missing[edit]

What happened to the clock that I had at the top right of my screen when on Wikipedia? It's just disappeared today, without explanation. Trying to recover it, I disabled the gadget (Special:Preferences/Gadgets, "Add a clock in the personal toolbar"), saved, enabled it, and saved, but it's not back yet. I wonder if it's somehow browser-related: I'm missing it in my default browser, IE11, but when I log in with Firefox 37, it's there. Nyttend (talk) 14:26, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Sounds like you are encountering a JS error. With F12, you can bring up the developer console, and with Ctrl-2, you can go to the developer console, which should show errors in red. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 11:53, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
@Nyttend and TheDJ: The clock is a gadget, specifically "Add a clock in the personal toolbar that displays the current time in UTC (which also provides a link to purge the current page)." Over the last few days, several other gadgets - some being Javascript and some pure CSS - have failed to load properly (or at all) for me. These include:
  • CharInsert, adds a toolbar under the edit window for quickly inserting wiki markup and special characters (troubles?)
  • Add an [edit] link for the lead section of a page
  • Display diffs with the old yellow/green colors and design.
  • Move section [edit] links to the right side of the screen.
there may have been others. A hard refresh of the page usually brings the gadget in properly, so I suspect slow servers. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:32, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Another, when clicking the red "Notifications" number, I normally get it as a popup - just now, it went to Special:Notifications instead, which is the full-screen version. So I guess the popup is some Javascript that failed to be served. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:26, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Adding my experience:
  • Sometimes my clock is there, sometimes it takes a refresh to see it.
  • Yesterday, my notification alert would say I had messages, but the left-hand link was blanked out and wouldn't let me look at them.
  • Several hours earlier today, while doing a Save on a short talk page, it took about 5 minutes to complete. For about half an hour after that, it took that long for a page to load when I pulled it up, and any Save took that long. OK now. But editing has been quirky these last few days. — Maile (talk) 21:42, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Should've checked here earlier; I've been having similar problems with intermittent extremely slow load times for the last couple of days. I wasn't able to trace it to any specific user script, but turning javascript off entirely fixes the issue, as does disabling all my user scripts, gadgets, and twinkle but leaving the browser settings alone. I've noticed this only in Firefox, though - Chrome works just fine, but Firefox on two different computers (Mac and Linux) will frequently fail. Opabinia regalis (talk) 02:56, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Also missing the clock here. Also, who broke everything? Only semi-facetious. Killiondude (talk) 05:11, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Twinkle menu not loading[edit]

Today, it seems that the Twinkle menu is sporadically not loading, or at least is not visible. It's happening in Firefox and Chrome on two different computers. Is anyone else having this issue or does anyone know what the cause might be?- MrX 13:03, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Same. Its been sporadic all morning. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 13:06, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
I have or had an issue with gadgets not loading at random since today morning; though I just restarted my browser (Chrome, kept it open for way too long, had to restart to install update). Gadgets seem to be working now, I'll post again if they're not. — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 13:11, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
I've had sporadic issues with popups and with a javascript-added merge tab I have on the articles; it may be related. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:12, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Okay, Twinkle didn't load. No idea why. — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 13:25, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Twinkle, the Clock gadget that when clicked purges a page, and the Syntax highlighter (maybe others) were affected here. Popups remained OK though. And a few minutes ago, on the "Action complete" page that appears after a revert, the user talk page link "(talk|block)" became capitalised "(Talk|block)" and this apparently broke Twinkle's automatic article-name entry into the form for issuing warnings - it's OK again now. Someone's fiddling about behind the scenes, I think. Please stop it!  —SMALLJIM  16:27, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
I am also having problems with Twinkle not loading (Windows 8.1, Chrome Version 42.0.2311.152 m, all freshly restarted and up-to-date).--William Thweatt TalkContribs 02:30, 19 May 2015 (UTC)


New problem, almost certainly a duff server as above: attempting to follow the URL of a diff such as this one, or use an "[edit]" link on this page, sometimes returns a blank page containing only the line

Exception encountered, of type "BadMethodCallException"

There is no other information. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:18, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

I just got that, also, after dropping a location map into an infobox and doing "Preview". Tried it several times and got that message and gave up.— Maile (talk) 23:29, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Experiencing technical difficulties[edit]

Just got that message from Wikipedia. Did a refresh to clear it. — Maile (talk) 23:32, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections 2015[edit]

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Failing to jump to article section[edit]

I typed [vs. low-energy surfaces] into the url bar and presses Enter but the page didn't jump to the section High-energy vs. low-energy surfaces. It does properly jump to that section if I instead type [[6]]. Blackbombchu (talk) 21:28, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Now Wikipedia has another glitch where the previous message I wrote in this section doesn't display the way it's supposed to according to the source code I typed? Blackbombchu (talk) 21:35, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

URLs can't contain spaces. Either percent-encode it as %20 or (in Wikipedia) use an underscore. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:44, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Actually, he's complaining about the section after the # which would need to be dot encoded (anchor encoded). — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 21:52, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Oh yes. Different parts of a URL have different encoding mechanisms. But the main point is that spaces aren't allowed anywhere in a URL. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:34, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
How come the computer doesn't automatically convert the spaces into underscores like it does when I type " Operations" then press Enter? Blackbombchu (talk) 23:15, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Because it doesn't know when you want the space vs. when you don't want the space. Unlike in a browser url bar, where it can make assumptions, about what users would input there. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 23:24, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
I copied this from the archive because I noticed it while looking at something else and although the OP didn't say anything, I'm not sure their question was actually answered. As I understand it, the OP is referring solely to the browser URL bar. Most if not all URL bars will convert spaces and other special characters as appropriate, in the URL proper, which are inputed in to the bar. However many, if not all won't general convert anything after the hash, i.e. that is part of the Fragment identifier. I'm not sure the reason, but it may be because I'm not sure there is actually a standard as to how to convert "white space" in the fragment identifier. Underscore may be the most common, but some webpages may use dash (-) or just remove the space. It perhaps helps if the OP understands the fragment identifier depends on the page. It doesn't have to actually have to be the same as what it points to. Nil Einne (talk) 19:35, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
Actually some quick testing shows Firefox, IE11 and Chrome all work fine with whitespace in the fragment identifier, i.e. they handle it as is. So they will go to the relevant id if it's what the id attribute is (with white spaces). Having white space in the id violates the HTML standards [7] but as I said earlier, I don't think there's actually any defined way to handle spaces other than "don't do it" so the behaviour of browsers is somewhat understandable. Nil Einne (talk) 19:49, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
To your second q: double square brackets are for internal links. For external links, use single square brackets. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:45, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Constantly being logged out[edit]

I am constantly being logged out and given the message "You are centrally logged in as k6ka, please reload the page to complete your request." I am logged back in when I reload the page, but it's starting to become a pain when it does this, since my Javascript gadgets don't load during this time, and I'm not sure if saving an edit in this state will result in "editing whilst logged out." Anyone else having this? --I am k6ka Talk to me! See what I have done 22:59, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Yep, six or seven times today. And Lukeno94 mentioned something similar at ANI this morning, IIRC. Yunshui  13:20, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
  • I didn't get strictly that issue - I noticed I was logged out when I went to edit a page, clicked log in, and immediately logged back in. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 13:32, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
  • I got that three or four times yesterday. As mentioned, a reload fixes it straightaway. I suppose we should be grateful that it's obvious when you're logged-out these days, because of the default font! Black Kite (talk) 13:46, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
  • And just got it again, with the message "The provided authentication token is either expired or invalid.". Black Kite (talk) 14:28, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
  • I was just logged out once more, although didn't get any error message (immediately spotted that the top-right was wrong) Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 14:54, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

May 9 pageview stats missing[edit]

At User_talk:Henrik#May_9_stat_missing, Mcpotbelly and I have attempted to call attention to the fact that May 9 pageview stats are not currently available.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:31, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

raw data was collected on the 9th, but it doesn't seem to have transferred to the stats.grok system. The merged dumps show something happening but that could (likely) is just out of date... EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 03:16, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
I have emailed User:Henrik. Could someone else contact him to give him a nudge.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:06, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

password reset says it works but email not getting through[edit]

I'm trying to get into my account. the email used is recognized and the pass word reset says a temporary pass word has been sent but it never arrives.

The email account works fine on test sends and it receives from others as well.

Any suggestions? Set up new account ? I don't have much connected to this password.

Thanks and regards, PSW — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:35, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Are you sure the email address you have set in your account preferences is the same as the one you are using for the test? If you have ever used other email addresses then it is worth checking those. QuiteUnusual (talk) 12:44, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes, for privacy reasons Special:PasswordReset doesn't reveal whether the entered email address matches any account. You get "A password reset email has been sent." in either case. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:48, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Perhaps that should be reworded to still obscure the actual effect but to be more accurate. –xenotalk 13:22, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Is it yahoo by chance ? Then it might be due to phab:T66795. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 15:34, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Chexk your spam folder, they often get stuck in there. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 17:09, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Tools on Labs not working? (Catscan)[edit]

Does anyone have any idea what's up with tools.wmflabs?

I make a lot of use of ... but in the last few days, it often won't even load its data-entry form :( --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:55, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-21[edit]

15:38, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Error with Template:Tvtropes[edit]

Voltaire (Music) at TV Tropes
NOT fail:
Voltaire (Music) at TV Tropes

{{Tvtropes|Music/Voltaire|Voltaire (Music)}}
Not fail:
[ Voltaire (Music)] at [[TV Tropes]]

 —User 000 name 21:55, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

It's a url issue at the site. Many pages have Main/ in the url or at least have a redirect from a url with Main/. {{Tvtropes}} always added Main/ but I cannot find a Main/ redirect to is a disambiguation page. I have fixed your example with [15] which only adds Main/ if the parameter doesn't already have a slash. Hopefully it doesn't mess up other uses. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:42, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Distance between coordinates[edit]

If I have two sets of geographic coordinates, is there a template (or the like) that yields the distance between them?Anythingyouwant (talk) 01:45, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

@Anythingyouwant: I don't think so. The calculation is, I believe, the haversine formula, which is beyond the capabilities of regular WikiCode, although it might be possible in Lua. If you just need this on an occasional basis, try Calculate distance, bearing and more between Latitude/Longitude points at Movable Type Scripts, which also includes some JavaScript code blobs. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:22, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the info, User:Redrose64.Anythingyouwant (talk) 15:54, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
@Anythingyouwant and Redrose64: Wikicode can handle the haversine formula: {{#expr:2*{{{r|6373}}}*asin(((sin((({{{lat2|0}}}*pi/180) - ({{{lat1|0}}}*pi/180))/2))^2 + (cos({{{lat1|0}}}*pi/180)*cos({{{lat2|0}}}*pi/180)*((sin((({{{long2|0}}}*pi/180) - ({{{long1|0}}}*pi/180))/2))^2)))^0.5)}} gives you the great-circle distance in km given {{{lat1}}}, {{{long1}}}, {{{lat2}}}, and {{{long2}}}. Of course, this doesn't take into account that the earth is elliptical. I created Template:Great circle distance as an example. --Ahecht (TALK
) 23:09, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Community tech project ideas[edit]

Hello Everyone, this is heads up to the page on community tech project ideas. You may want to take a look, engage in the discussion, add a suggestion, etc :). Thanks --Melamrawy (WMF) (talk) 11:59, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Newcastle Buses & Ferries[edit]

There seems to be something wrong with the transclusion and the templates. I added "relist" and the signature appears as 4 tildes instead of my user name, too. Could somebody have a look? Kraxler (talk) 15:14, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Template had to be subst. I have done that. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 15:24, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Kraxler (talk) 16:58, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
I've fixed the signature, so Kraxler is credited as the relister rather than EoRdE6. Graham87 13:05, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, but it would have been no problem, either way, with me. Kraxler (talk) 14:47, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Article title in mobile app[edit]

When I look at Magna Carta on the official Wikipedia app on my Android tablet, over the lead image display is shown the title and, underneath, "Angevin charter". Now, that is very erudite because the article doesn't seem to say that anywhere in such words. Where is this text coming from? Thincat (talk) 16:17, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

That's the "description" field from Wikidata: d:Q12519. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:54, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Ah ha! Thank you. I'll report this to the article's talk page because, while you were discovering that, I was discovering there was editwarring over this exact text at the beginning of last month! Thincat (talk) 17:16, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I'll continue this for now as a technical matter but I've re-read the recent Policy and Proposal discussions concerning Wikidata and maybe things need discussing there too. In this case the prominent text had been by consensus deliberately removed from the article. Is there a way in which people on the main site can opt in to seeing such "imported" text like it can be done with Persondata? Or, generally, should such "imported" text appear in all versions of WP to improve the general usability and to help checking? In this case the text was not on Wikidata maliciously but the article's editors clearly did not think to check Wikidata. Even for people aware of Wikidata they may not realise how it is becoming more used. Thincat (talk) 18:09, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Uploads to Commons not being recognised on English Wikipedia[edit]

Hi. Just uploaded a few images to Commons and was surprised to find that they are not being recognised here, they just get redlinked, even though the file clearly exists under that name on Commons. Anyone know if there's a known issue at the moment? (Some examples here, and the full external links to their pages on Commons here: [16] [17] [18]. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 21:40, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Let's try them as interwiki links: c:File:Saint-Séverin Organ, Paris, France - Diliff.jpg c:File:Saint-Séverin Nave, Paris, France - Diliff.jpg c:File:Saint-Séverin Sanctuary, Paris, France - Diliff.jpg. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:57, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Well, evidently that works but I guess it's not good practice to use interwiki links in articles. I was hoping that if there is a problem, it could be flagged and investigated rather than bypassed... Ðiliff «» (Talk) 22:01, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
I don't think RedRose was proposing to only link to them, but to see if interwiki links work (maybe?). Anyhow, I tried purging the pages both on Commons and enwiki to no avail. I also created and subsequently deleted File:Saint-Séverin Sanctuary, Paris, France - Diliff.jpg, but it did nothing. What's curious is that popups shows the Commons page if I hover over the enwiki links. Killiondude (talk) 22:09, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Came here to report this as well. Just uploaded some images to Commons that aren't showing up on Wikipedia. Examples: [19] vs [20]. --Golbez (talk) 22:13, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Hmm. So it seems that the problem isn't specfically the English Wikipedia, it's perhaps the Commons side. I'll see if I can find if its been flagged over there. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 22:23, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
All of the filenames have both e-acute (é) and a comma in them. Have you experienced similar problems with filenames that don't have that diacritic, or which don't have a comma? --Redrose64 (talk) 23:12, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Well, all of those images of mine do... But User:Golbez's images don't have this and he's having the same problem. But I just uploaded a new file to Commons a short while ago and I'm not having the same problem with this one. So I'm confused. The problem hasn't been resolved for the previous files though, but yes I guess it could have something to do with the é and/or comma, although I did (in January this year) upload another file with the e-acute and a comma in it and I never experienced any problem at the time. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 23:23, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
phab:T99761. It's a wmf5 vs wmf6 bug. Reedy (talk) 02:10, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Update. Seems to be resolved, certainly for the images I uploaded, and all others that I was aware of that were experiencing problems. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 12:45, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Why does this image not work?[edit]

Popularity of name Salome.svg

File:Popularity of name Salome.svg can't be linked to or included, even though commons:File:Popularity of name Salome.svg exists. See also example of the included image which acts as if the image doesn't exist. Is this a bug or is there another reason? How can it be fixed? Mathias-S (talk) 17:24, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the report. Please see the Uploads to Commons not being recognised on English Wikipedia section above for more information. --Dan Garry, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 17:28, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Duplicate thanks[edit]

I have now received three notifications over 2 days for a single thanks for my edit from the exact same user, which is impossible as far as I am aware... EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 02:17, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

@EoRdE6: Were you notified three times for a single thanks, or did one person thank you three times for the same edit resulting in one notification for each thank? If the latter, this is a known long-standing problem, see phab:T53303. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:34, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
@Redrose64: I see, but what makes this unique is I made a single edit, and was thanked three times over a period of over 17 hours, much longer than it would be for just clicking it multiple times. Do you recall when and how many times you thanked me? EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 21:49, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
It's not unique. In November 2013, I was thanked on a daily basis by one person for one edit; after three thanks in three days I sent them a user talk: message asking them to stop. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:18, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Displaying old versions of images[edit]

Is it possible to display old versions of images in Wikipedia such as:

One content on French Wikipedia, presents a series of historical images. GregKaye 14:05, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

No, not possible. You can only display the current image. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 14:13, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
You would need to upload each of them separately as a different image name (in the case of the French wiki example, appending the date that the map is meant to reflect). Fortunately as they are uploaded on commons, you can do this yourself - you take the revision you want, upload it as a new image with a different name and make sure to keep the same licensing and information as the original (plus I believe the "extracted from" template). You should also encourage the uploaders there to do not keep replacing the image but creating new ones as time progresses. --MASEM (t) 14:15, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
@Edokter and Masem: thanks to both. GregKaye 05:49, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Can't edit with iCab Mobile[edit]

If I try to edit Wikipedia using ICab Mobile, I invariably receive this message after hitting "Save page": "Spam protection filter The text you wanted to save was blocked by the spam filter. This is probably caused by a link to a blacklisted external site." Since no links are involved I have absolutely no idea why this is happening. Consequently I have to resort to using one of the lesser mobile browsers – an aggravation in the extreme. [navigator.userAgent Mozilla/5.0 (iPad; CPU OS 8_3 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/600.1.4 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/8.0 Mobile/12F69 Safari/600.1.4] Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Modal Jig (talk) 19:42, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Really difficult to help with this, since it's a very minor market share paid browser. I did see if i could find a problem with the iCab desktop browser. I had some initial problems with logging in, but after configuring it accept cookies from multiple domains, I've been able to make edits both as anonymous and logged in user. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 21:00, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Reminder about event logging test[edit]

Just a reminder that the first step in a long-planned A/B test for VisualEditor is scheduled for tomorrow. I think it's supposed to start around 15:00 UTC (full disclaimers apply) and run for 24 hours. The goal tomorrow is to find out whether the recent fixes to the logging software actually fixed stuff (or not, or broke some new stuff—you know how it goes).

This test shouldn't affect anyone who's reading this message. But if you see weird stuff, then feel free to {{ping}} me, leave a note on my talk page, drop by WP:VEF, find your favorite dev on IRC, or whatever's convenient for you. Just please let me know if you see anything odd. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:34, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Database reports/Living people on EN wiki who are dead on other wikis[edit]

I used to use this report that listed people who are marked as living on enwiki but as dead on others. The report is no longer updated as it used Toolserver. Would it be possible to create a new version of this report ? Only the first two sections of the report are required. --Racklever (talk) 08:44, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

It was updated by MerlBot (talk · contribs), which is operated by Merlissimo (talk · contribs). You could ask them directly, but you may get a quicker response at German Wikipedia: Merlissimo (talk · contribs). --Redrose64 (talk) 10:31, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
How were you using it? You may be interested in d:WD:Database reports/Constraint violations/P570 and particularly the section titled "Single value". --Izno (talk) 15:12, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Where do we go from here?[edit]

At a time when the long - term viability of Wikipedia is in doubt, editors have been discussing invigorating the community by enabling the creation of articles by IPs subject to safeguards. There have been no opposes. WMF have been asked to comment and have raised no objections. The mood of the community appears to be that the change should be implemented. Presumably it would involve reversing the post - Siegenthaler dev changes and moving onto a "level 3" pending changes regime in which pending changes would be turned off immediately an autoconfirmed editor edited the article. What is the procedure for turning an agreed change into reality? (talk) 10:22, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

That change is far from agreed upon, I see more people rallying for complete removal of IP editing than this. We have WP:AfC that let's IP editors create an article, and that is all that has been agreed so far. NPP is badly backlogged, and it is well documented that most articles by new editors fail, no references, pure advertising etc. I can't see consensus on this anytime soon. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 13:09, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
That's the whole point of allowing new users to do things, so they learn enough to become valuable contributors down the line. Checking the new pages feed I saw one article at the top of the list awaiting review. A few seconds later it had been patrolled. If PC is turned off, all the PC reviewers can turn their attention elsewhere.
If you think people are agitating for the removal of IP editing you're looking in the wrong place. The proposition in the March proposals RfC was to ban IP editing or never unprotect a semiprotected page. It was defeated nemo contradicente. Some quotes:
  • Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit.
  • There are plenty of people that come on Wikipedia reading, notice a problem and, as an IP, fix it.
  • If we block IP editing, we'll move one step closer to being like Citizendum. With all due respect to Sanger's efforts, visit Citizendum's website and see how spotty their articles are. There are some very well - known topics that don't have articles there. That's what happens when you make it hard to edit a wiki. Do you want that to happen to us?
  • 81.9% of edits by unregistered users were not vandalism. (talk) 17:57, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
  • Strong agreement with If you want to count edits that occurred as a result of our IP editing policy, count all of mine, because I started as an IP editor and would have never started if this had been one more website that requires registration. --Guy Macon (talk) 20:56, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Tool to scan category tree for article title matching regex?[edit]

Does anyone know if there is anything on the toolserver which will scan a category tree for an article title matching a regex?

I get this done the long way round by using Catscan2 to list all the pages. and then save the list to offline. But it would be handy if there was an online tool to do this simple job. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:39, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm unaware of a single tool which both does category scanning and regex scanning, but you may be interested in this tool, which does the latter. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:11, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
You can do this with AutoWikiBrowser.--Racklever (talk) 12:37, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
And a draft on using CirrusSearch with AWB (needs a bit of tweaking, but its a start). -- Gadget850 talk 19:56, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the replies. Racklever's suggestion of AWB is great. Why didn't I remember that? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:03, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Vox Day merged from Vox Day[edit]

Once upon a time, the page Vox Day was merged into Theodore Beale. Now Theodore Beale has been moved to Vox Day. The {{mergedfrom}} Template gives the silly statement that "The content of Vox Day was merged into Vox Day. That page now redirects here." Suggestions? Choor monster (talk) 15:17, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Password security[edit]

Recently an editor’s account User:AHLM13 was hacked, most probably by a banned user. The hacker caused much disruption using proxy/VPN servers, created many fake accounts, and pretended to be AHLM13 for long. The whole thing got very messy. The hacker has also targeted others including me, User:Mar4d, User:Lukeno94, User:CosmicEmperor as we have received threats. A discussion was going on here User_talk:Mar4d#My_account_is_hacked. So, password security has become a concern.

What are actually the ways through which a hacker can discover any password? Dose he randomly try to type a password, or anything more sophisticated? Apart from setting a strong password and using Wikipedia's secure connection, what others technical measures should we follow to protect the password from being hacked? I have a curiosity to know how strong Wikipedia's security system is? -AsceticRosé 16:00, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

I do not know about security level, but this is what every user should do. This is very secure if used properly, because effectively you have two passwords one of which you never use (until you get hacked) and thus never type and thus whole bunch of hacking methods get useless (keyloggers, traffic sniffer, social engineergin etc.).
By proper use I mean long password with symbols and numbers included. --Dixtosa (talk) 16:21, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
@AsceticRose:Sometimes insecure software is at fault, doing something like storing passwords in plaintext, I'm not sure how secure the MediaWiki software is but I assume it's fairly secure or hacks would be happening a lot more often. Most of the time when a hacker gains access to an account, the user is "at fault", that is, they could have easily done something to prevent the attack, not that they should necessarily be blamed for it. Bruteforce attacks are the ones commonly used by unskilled hackers, the kind that would go after low profile targets like random Wikipedia users, and they're basically just using a program to randomly type passwords, or making a guess based on information they know, like the target's username. MediaWiki probably does some things to make bruteforce attacks harder but there is no reason to rely on it, the attacks can be avoided easily by using good passwords. In general, passwords shorter than 11 characters are not secure and as technology advances that number increases quickly. A strong password should have at least one lowercase letter, uppercase letter, number and special character. To avoid being bruteforced, passwords should be random, not having a pattern recognizable to anyone, including yourself. Dogz$eemN1ce is a bad password, despite meeting the character requirements, 4^7%:_e}G!5%w:J is a good password, or at least it was until I posted it as an example. Man-in-the-middle attacks are another common attack, though they require the attacker to be somewhat close to you and don't always require the attacker to steal your password. They can be avoided, to some extent, by using a secure connection (Https instead of Http) and by using a different account when logging in on public connections (public being any connection where you don't completely trust everyone who can connect to it) or computers. There are other possibilities, but they are more complex and as they get more complex they get harder to avoid. As a final note, remember that your account can't be any more secure than the recovery options, that means that if your email password is password12, it doesn't matter what your Wikipedia account's password is. I recently proposed allowing multi-factor authentication here which would make attacks that rely on knowing your password harder against users who enable it. In reference to the discussion you linked, I only skimmed it but remember that "I was hacked" is a "great" excuse to try to get unblocked and that people tend to see things they're looking for, if you think someone's trying to hack you then you might notice things you otherwise wouldn't have and consider them an indication that you're being hacked when in fact they may be nothing that hasn't happened before. I'm not saying ignore anything that makes you think you're being hacked, change your password as often as you like, it's good for security, just be careful not to allow blocked users to lie about being hacked to get unblocked. Again, I haven't read enough to know if that's the case here, it's just a general thing you should keep in mind. PHANTOMTECH (talk) 01:06, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
In the early days, the first sockpuppets were easily exposed. Encrypted passwords were compared, and WP:DUCKS with the same encrypted passwords were blown away. Choor monster (talk) 10:38, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Weird talk page notification[edit]

I get the following emails regularly

(username redacted) left a message on your talk page in "footer".         
/* Allumer */

It also happens in the on page notifications.

Allumer is a current heading on my talk page.

What I would like to know, please is why "footer"

Please ping me when you reply. I have a huge watch list Fiddle Faddle 17:34, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

I get the "in footer" thing too, which makes no sense... Why is that? EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 17:55, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
I wonder if that's happening when people use the "Add section" button. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:30, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Hard to know. I am not them. It started in the past few days, so it must be a change somewhere. Fiddle Faddle 21:29, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
This edit was obviously not made using 'section=new', but Special:Notifications nevertheless reports 'Dcw2003 left a message on your talk page in "footer".' --Stefan2 (talk) 21:34, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

add section[edit]

Whatamidoing (WMF), why would using add section (like this section) cause that? — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 21:21, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

You didn't use "add section" - I can tell because this sub-section has a level 3 heading. New sections created using the "new section" tab always have level 2 headings. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:37, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
I did create this with "add section" which uses &section=new, I just put a custom header in the edit box instead of using the header box (which caused me to have to click save twice since there was no edit summary). Redrose64, I hope this clears that up. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 01:43, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
And I can confirm that the ===section heading=== was reported in the notification (on wiki; I don't use e-mail norifications for en.wp). Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 02:34, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
Maybe "I wonder if..." was a polite version of: If you want to know why an edit caused a message then why on Earth are you concealing which edit it was and making us waste time speculating? After a bunch of experiments at User talk:PrimeHunter2 I was able to generate a similar "footer" mail with [21] which is unclear about which section is being edited, so perhaps the secret edit was [22]. #footer is an anchor automatically inserted at the bottom of all pages. "footer" is not linked in the notification mail so it doesn't make much sense there, but the web notification said "footer" which makes a little more sense without being ideal. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:09, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Then perhaps "footer" is what happens when the section heading is unknown. Since nobody relevant is around tonight, I've filed it as phab:T99989 so this doesn't get lost. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 02:34, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
For the record, the web notification about [23] was made by MediaWiki:Notification-edit-talk-page-flyout-with-section with parameters (PrimeHunter, PrimeHunter2, footer, footer) producing: PrimeHunter left a message on your talk page in "footer". PrimeHunter (talk) 02:55, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
@Whatamidoing (WMF): the incident I reported had a known section heading. Fiddle Faddle 12:22, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
@Timtrent: Oh my God, what will it take to make you reveal theedit? I'm not wasting more time on speculation and experiments while you continue to conceal the edit you want help about. There is no privacy reason to say "(username redacted)". We can all see who has edited your talk page. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:03, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
I am very confused, PrimeHunter about what I interpret as your strange attitude towards me that you display here. The username is unimportant. The actual edit is unimportant. I am reporting something that has happened multiple times with multiple editors. I have only now determined that your prior weird barb was directed at me. I redacted the editor's name because I had no interest in their being involved in this. Why? Because they are irrelevant to it. Go look at the edit history and "reveal" it, if reveal is the word that you choose. But please tell us why this is so important to you? Your attitude as displayed makes me wish I had not taken the trouble to report this. Your words make me think that you consider that I have done you a great and personal wrong. Would you like a puppy? Perhaps a kitten? Are you having a bad day? Did I kick your cat by accident? Do you need a cuddle? Fiddle Faddle 13:10, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm annoyed by wasting a lot of time trying to reproduce the issue because you refuse to reveal what caused it. Some edits cause it. Some edits don't. I examined every recent edit to your talk page before starting with guesses and experiments. I find it odd that you insist it's "unimportant" which edits cause an issue you want help with. It's important to the people trying to help you. Count me out of them now. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:28, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
I had already. Put plain, it has been logged by Whatamidoing (WMF). I have no idea about, nor interest in, Echo, or whatever the internal notification is. I thought I might be doing the edifice a service by reporting a strangeness. Others seem to have seen it as well. Since it started in the recent past, it is caused by a change made in the recent past. I do not know when it changed, nor do I have a clue what changed, nor do I have any idea when it started. The earliest one I have seen is in this diff. If you had asked me to find that out, and done so plainly and simply then I would have been very sweet and told you. I simply scrolled down the special notifications page. I had to track that down.
Reading your mind about what you felt you wanted, something I think that turned out to be not really what you wanted at all, was quite hard. If you would like more information, first refine what it is you want, then tell people what it is and how to find it for you. Do not take out your frustrations on other people, PrimeHunter, It does you no service. Fiddle Faddle 13:55, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
I don't think it should require mind reading to understand that if somebody says "why on Earth are you concealing which edit it was and making us waste time speculating?", then they want to know which edit it was. And I think it should be common sense to give the edit in the first place, and especially to give it when you later write that a guess about it was wrong. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:25, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
@Timtrent: The notifications system is notoriously delicate, the discussion page at WT:Echo is filled with threads beginning "I should have been notified, but wasn't" or similar. When a problem is perceived, those with the ability to do something about it will usually find their task easier if they know as much as possible about the circumstances giving rise to the problem. If they know who made the edit, and how the edit was made, they may be able to replicate the conditions. It may turn out to be undesirable behaviour (a bug), or it may be a known consequence of those events, etc. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:48, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
@Redrose64: Asking with precision for the information they need is usually considered better than being oblique about it. Fiddle Faddle 16:10, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Getting back on track to the underlying problem: This diff resulted in me getting a similar notification ("Phil Copperman left a message on your talk page in "footer"."). No other talk page notification I've received in the last few days has done that; they've all correctly specified what section they were in. This edit resulted in a correct notification, even though it had nothing but the automatically-generated section in the edit summary, so it looks like that isn't it. The only pattern I see is that this is the only diff from the last couple of days that both (a) had no edit summary, and (b) had no signature. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:31, 22 May 2015 (UTC)


Has something gone wrong with Template:Refn? Previously, notes like the following ([a]) were working perfectly fine. Today, while editing i noticed the following was displaying post-editing: "Template loop detected: Template:Refn". The template article also shows said error, without pointing out how to correct it. Any thoughts?EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 23:42, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

@EnigmaMcmxc: Fixed in this edit. If a template starts buggering up, always check the history to see who has messed around with it recently. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 00:43, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
  1. ^ The large intake of men into the army had considerably increased the infantry arm. The reforms intended to address this, with many of the newly raised battalions being "converted to other arms, particularly artillery and armour".[1] In addition to this, historian F.W. Perry comments, there was considerable pressure "to increase the armoured component [of the army] and build up raiding and special forces". These pressures, and the re-balancing of the military, resulted in seven of the nine County Divisions being disbanded and only two being reformed as infantry divisions[2]
  1. ^ Perry 1988, pp. 53-54.
  2. ^ Perry 1988, p. 65.
Thanks very much! :) EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 00:54, 22 May 2015 (UTC)


why do my public logs say....sad, confused?[24]--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

You probably use the MoodBar extension at some point —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 16:24, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
thanks...I had seen it before but had no idea honestly (now I feel dumb)thanks--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 16:29, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Deprecating compat (pywikibot)[edit]

Hello, As a part of pywikibot activities in Lyon Hackathon, we are working on finalizing compat deprecation. This is the RFC in phabricator, please participate and comment. Thanks :)Ladsgroupoverleg 16:47, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Any way to disable election banner?[edit]

Across the top of a lot of pages, I see a big banner that reads:

"Voting Has Begun in Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees Elections! Voting Ends at 23:59, 31 May 2015 (UTC). Verify your eligibility and vote now."

Yet, if I click on it, I get an error: "We apologize, but you do not appear to be on the eligible voter list."

I can see how I might not be eligible, because my edit count isn't high enough between 15 October 2014 and 15 April 2015.

However, it seems like the computer can easily count and realize this (it does, when I click on the banner) and should be able to just stop showing me this banner that I've deliberately closed many times.

Is there any way to manually stop it from showing up? It especially gets in the way of comparing pages by changing between tabs back and forth. Also, it's just training new users to ignore the banners, when you're so often showing banners that are irrelevant for that user.

Really, I don't think this banner should be shown at all, *especially* after a user has already clicked through and the system has already determined that member's ineligibility.

--ProtectorServant (talk) 13:15, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

There is a close button in the top right corner of the banner. But if you want to disable go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and tick Suppress display of fundraiser banners and/or Suppress display of all Central Notices. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 13:43, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
The banner keeps re-appearing on random pages. DuncanHill (talk) 15:19, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
There are at least two versions. This CSS rule:
/* hide election banners (2 varieties) */, {
  display: none;
placed in Special:MyPage/common.css hides two of them. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:38, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Mrjulesd for the solution that'll at least work for me!

Now for a broader discussion, what do people think about not showing election banners to editors who are ineligible to vote? --ProtectorServant (talk) 14:05, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Enable Visual Editor in Wikipedia namespace?[edit]

I think we should enable Visual Editor in Wikipedia namespace or at least for sandboxes. What do you think? -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:26, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Template merger backlog[edit]

We have a significant backlog at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Holding cell. Anyone with template-editing expertise would be welcome to help out there. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:55, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Rendering an article into a PDF- skip the 2 column, or leave it as an option, OR expose the raw .tex file[edit]

The ability to create a PDF from a wikipedia entry is very powerful- but the execution is flawed when there are large math mode tex or latex formula sections. A lot better lob is done in the option to prepare the page for printing. This is because the pdf option makes two columns of output, and large equations don't fit and are cut off. Makes the whole thing not usable. Turn off that *2 columns* pdf option and you have a lot better shot at making this powerful feature really work. Or give the user the option maybe. Even making the option to render the entry suitable for printing could be used as a template for production of a simplified pdf. If you really want to make something neat and useful, how about an option to produce latex output as a straight text file. Now that would be useful!!!! Thanks for a great resource. Here is an example of the problem I am talking about. is an example. Make the pdf, and look at the horrible mess that is produced simply because the thing is made for 2 columns. Just give me the .tex or .latex and most windows people that want this stuff have miktex and Linux people have pdflatex — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:12, 23 May 2015 (UTC)