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Question about IP talk pages[edit]

If I leave a message for an anonymous editor, by creating a new section on the talk page for the IP that edited an article, how will they see the message that I write? When I'm not logged in, I don't have links in the upper right for a user page, notification count, or talk page, so how will the not-signed-in editor know that someone is talking to them, and how will they get to their talk page? Mudwater (Talk) 17:54, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

I think that they get the old-style WP:OBOD. They certainly get something, because this message was responded to. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:40, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
@Mudwater: Yes, they do - but it only shows only when they click an "edit" link, not when visiting a page. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:56, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────@Redrose64: Good, thanks. Mudwater (Talk) 19:34, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

@Redrose64: It does show on every page, not just on edit. (tested/confirmed) :-) If you are getting different results, that's a bug. Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 23:34, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
@Quiddity (WMF): Good morning. A post was made to an IP editor's talk page and removed by someone else two minutes later. When the IP editor switches on his machine and visits this website will he see the orange message bar - i.e. is its appearance contingent on the message being visible when he visits or does the bar remain activated until he visits regardless of what happens to the message in the meantime?
I was surprised recently when I turned on my computer and clicked on the orange bar to find that it was telling me about a message posted on the IP's talkpage in 2009. In fact that IP had never edited although somebody created a talk page with the 2009 post referring to a previous edit.
My second question is, I believe that if you type ping| with double curly brackets at either end (or whatever the IP number is) it will not register an alert - i.e. the only way to get the attention of an IP is to post on their talk page. Am I right? (talk) 12:01, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
Hi. 1) Yes, the orange bar is technically simple, and appears whenever an edit is made to the talkpage. Reverting the edit (or otherwise removing the message) does not (afaik) nullify the orange bar. To remove the orange bar, someone using that IP has to visit the talkpage. 2) Correct, the Mentions feature does not work for IPs. Many IPs change owners frequently (Dynamic IP), also many IPs are shared (Shared IP address), so it's difficult to assume that anyone using that IP will consistently be the same individual. Hence, all messages need to be sent to a public location. Hope that helps (and was technically accurate!). Quiddity (WMF) (talk) 16:39, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
Seems 100% correct from my experience. I believe that, even if someone posts a usertalk message to the talkpage of , and then a few minutes later another person reverts that post, the orange bar still appears (and likely says "messages from two users"). Not sure what happens if somebody posts a message, and then self-reverts. (talk) 00:35, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, I may have had something to do with that. Back in 2008-09, I went on a rampage of deleting thousands of old IP talk pages because the messages on them were stale (i.e. unlikely to relate to anyone who would see the pages in the future), or blanking them so that they would be deleted by a bot which used to delete such pages. A consensus of the community later developed that these should not be deleted, but should instead be templated, so that the record of the IP activity remains visible in the edit history. Last week I went back and templated all of the pages I deleted, so that I can restore their edit history and maintain them per the going consensus. These will, for the time being, showing up as pages templated to indicate in edit history, but with no underlying edit history visible to most editors. I am now in the much slower process of restoring those edit histories.
On a completely unrelated note, does anyone know a fast way to restore the edit histories for a set of 2,720 pages? bd2412 T 16:56, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Table of contents[edit]

I've noticed that some talk pages in mainspace have a table of contents and some don't. How can a table of contents be generated if the talk page doesn't have one? Does the phrase _TOC_ which appears in the source of some talk pages have any significance? (talk) 12:17, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

See Help:Section#Table of contents (TOC) - David Biddulph (talk) 12:31, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Page moves marked as minor edits[edit]

I recently moved some pages, and I noticed that the moves are automatically marked by the software as minor edits. Specifically, the edit of the old page name is marked as "new" and the edit of the new page name is marked as minor. Both of these descriptions seem to me to be wrong. I think that the changing of the name of a page should, in the default, be considered something that editors might not consider automatically noncontroversial, and therefore should not be a minor edit. --Tryptofish (talk) 01:18, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

On second thought, I do realize how marking the old page as "new" can make sense, in that it becomes a new redirect. However, I think the main point, about it not usually being a minor edit, remains a valid concern. --Tryptofish (talk) 02:11, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Agreed, those shouldn't be marked as minor edits. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 02:29, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Every Wikipedia page has two unique identifiers: its name, and its Page ID (visible by clicking "Page information" in the left margin, it's in the fourth row). When you move a page, its name is altered but the Page ID is unchanged; a redirect is created (this action may be suppressed if an admin moves the page), and this redirect gets the old name of the moved page, but it can't be given the old Page ID as well, because those must be unique, and it stayed with the moved page. So it's given a fresh Page ID, and so the redir counts as a new page, hence the N marker. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:41, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
A move does not change content; it is not even an edit. That is why it is marked minor. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 12:45, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
When an administrator protects a page or imports edits, a minor edit is also formed. These, like moves, are not counted in the server count. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 13:36, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Replying to a couple of editors in one comment, I agree with what Redrose64 just explained about N. I'm also not concerned here with page protection or other administrative tools. I continue to believe that it is a mistake to mark page name changes as minor. Help:Minor edit explains minor edits as those where the editor making the edit reasonably expects that no other editor would question or disagree with that edit. An edit that changes a pagename to a new pagename may occasionally fit this description (as when a spelling error is corrected), but usually such a move means that our readers will find the content under a new title, and the title change can potentially cause quite a large change in meaning. Thus I strongly disagree with Edokter, in that a move does indeed change content, and potentially in quite a conspicuous way. Some editors do not watchlist minor edits, and would miss such changes, even though they might very likely want to discuss it. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:42, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
So perhaps then there should be a minor edit checkbox in Special:MovePage. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 04:02, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
Page moves do show up in the watchlist and recent changes, even with minor edits hidden. You'll see the log entry for the action. Reach Out to the Truth 05:14, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
That's a good point about the log entry still being watchlist-visible. I think the idea of having it as a regular edit, but with a minor edit checkbox is an excellent idea. But it still disturbs me that, currently, someone can rename a WP:BLP to something that violates BLP, and yet have it shown as a minor edit. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:01, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Let's say hypothetically that there were to be a consensus to change Special:MovePage to default to a regular edit, and offer a checkbox if an editor wants to mark the move as a minor edit. How would the change be carried out? In other words, can it be done locally (at the English Wikipedia), or would it have to be requested at Wikimedia? --Tryptofish (talk) 21:02, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Anyone? --Tryptofish (talk) 23:57, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
As far as I know it would not be any harder to mark page moves by default as minor edits on enwiki than on wikimedia. To do that in the code would require to create an configuration setting (mw:Manual:Configuration settings) and turning the minor edits off on either wikimedia wikis or enwiki. Getting an checkbox to mark page moves as minor will take more time to implement than an default setting.--Snaevar (talk) 21:32, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
@Snaevar: Thanks for the answer! To do that, does one have to be an administrator, or simply be any editor with the skills to set the configuration? --Tryptofish (talk) 19:13, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Redirect to section[edit]

Anchors have been very unreliable lately when using redirects to article sections. For example: Grand Theft Auto V (re-release), Singles match, WP:NATURAL. They are mostly leaving me at the top of their targeted articles, instead of sending me down to the intended sections. It does work as expected after a few tries, but it's been a real inconvenience. Is anyone else experiencing this? Prefall 05:59, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

I can confirm this misbehavior on Firefox, but I usually see pages scrolled down too much and positioned past the actual anchor or section. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 07:00, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
All those three redirects sent me to the right section in the first time, maybe I'm just lucky :) It could stay at the top of the page, if section name in target article is renamed and a) redirects aren't updated or b) {{anchor}} isn't used in target article. For usually see pages scrolled down too much - it happens if there is something in the page, that collapses. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 07:17, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
I'm aware of the positioning issues with pages containing collapsible parts that are collapsed by default, but I've seen the misbehavior only recently on a few redirects I've never seen incorrectly positioned before. Can't recall the exact examples, unfortunately. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 07:29, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
This has come up before, see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 126#Redirect not working right and Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 129#Redirects to subsections. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:58, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
User:Prefall, which web browser are you using? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 17:42, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
@Whatamidoing (WMF): 64-bit Chrome, 45.0.2454.46 Prefall 19:18, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
If you click this link to Special:Preferences at fr.wp, do you end up on the Beta Features page or on the first page of prefs? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:45, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
@Whatamidoing (WMF): That sends me to the Beta Features page each time—seems to be fine. I forgot to mention that my issue also occurs in Microsoft Edge, version 20.10240.16384.0. Prefall 21:38, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Beta Features link works as intended for me, but the "WP:NATURAL" link up top leaves me at the top of its page. OS X, Chrome (only when logged in). Fine in Firefox. – czar 14:29, 27 August 2015 (UTC)


Has the use of shortcuts specifically linked to certain sections of policy/guideline pages been deprecated recently? I've noticed that some shortcuts that used to always work before are now redirecting to the main article. For example, WP:NOPIPE redirects to WP:PIPE, WP:RSCONTEXT redirects to WP:RS, etc. for me. I am just curious if this is a known bug or the problem is on my end, or if shortcuts like this are no longer to be used. - Marchjuly (talk) 01:00, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

I've been getting this too for the last several days. It isn't just projectspace shortcuts, it's section shortcuts on article pages. It doesn't scroll to the target area on pageload, but it works if I reload the page or execute the URL again. Chrome, OS X – czar 01:34, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the response Czar. I'm using Chrome as well so maybe that's where the issue is. - Marchjuly (talk) 01:35, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Same issue - Safari, OSX but works fine on FF. I suspect it's a WebKit bug. (talk) 05:33, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Reported in Phabricator now. Not likely a bug in Webkit, but possibly more visible due to different execution/timing paths of the scripts in both browsers. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 09:10, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

@Marchjuly, Czar, and TheDJ: Is this the same issue as Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Redirect to section above? --Redrose64 (talk) 14:13, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Yep – czar 14:28, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
This has been an issue in Safari for years: when you go through a redirect, it "forgets" the #Section. (Thus my question to User:Prefall about Special:Preferences; that link takes you to the wrong page in Safari.) But I believe that the problem is new and somewhat different for Chrome.
Are you all using the same version? User:Prefall found the bug in 64-bit Chrome version 45.0.2454.46 as well as in Microsoft Edge version 20.10240.16384.0. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 16:43, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
@Redrose64: It seems to be. Sorry if I created a redundant section, I didn't notice the "Redirect to section" posts. @Whatamidoing (WMF): I'm using the latest version of Chrome (44.0.2403.157 m) on Windows 10. - Marchjuly (talk) 21:32, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
  • @Whatamidoing (WMF), I updated to the latest Chrome and it's fine now (both when logged in and logged out). – czar 19:44, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
I am currently still experiencing the issue as has been mentioned above by others. Clicking a wikilink, such as Arrowverse, that is a redirect page, just takes me to the top of the redirect article, not the section it should. I'm on Chrome 44.0.2403.157 (64-bit) [which is telling me is up to date] and OS X. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:30, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

No images showing, once again[edit]

Although a workaround was implemented 4 days ago, the problem is arising once again. I understand that this is an ongoing issue that will a have a proper fix delivered soon, but what has happened to the workaround? Is it a case of it working for those 8 hours and 8 hours only? On Chrome on Ubuntu 15.04, I am unable to see any images. When clicking on a link to an image file, I receive a 404 error. What is occurring? Thanks, My name isnotdave (talk/contribs) 12:53, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Image problem mentioned This Thread. The Incident Documentation indicates it is still in progress. — Maile (talk) 13:06, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
@My name is not dave: No images at all? With which browsers does this happen? Any example link/URL for an image that does not load and creates a 404? --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 08:46, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
@AKlapper (WMF): The display of images is highly erratic. One minute I can see all, another I can see some and then they all go. Then, around 15-30 minutes later,images come back. This seems to occur on Chrome for Android as well, on Firefox this didn't occur, but I see it as a matter of waiting. is an example of where it fails to load, but as said, that depends whether it wants to load or not. My name isnotdave (talk/contribs) 10:09, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
P.S. The 404 I get is a WMF 404 and not a browser generated one.
The "OCSP Stapling issue" mention above should be unrelated because this is about 404s not showing any OCSP related error messages. Not sure what's going on so I'm curious if other users face the same problem. :-( --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 15:26, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
This appears to happen with all media. File:Alveolar_trill.ogg fails to function. My name isnotdave (talk/contribs) 21:23, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

No images (yet again, it seems)[edit]

This morning when I started browsing, I noted that no images are being displayed on any pages; only the alt-text is shown as a link. If I click on the link, the proper image is shown in the media viewer, but not in the page context. I'm using Firefox 40.0.3 with the Monobook skin. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:10, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Never mind. The problem appears to have been resolved. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:18, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Script error[edit]

At many places, such as IP addresses' contributions, IP addresses' talk pages, and when editing this page, the following error is displayed: Script error: The module returned a value. It is supposed to return an export table.. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 00:25, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

There seems to be a serious script error going on right now. I initially thought it was my own error; then I thought it was a problem at WP:ANI, but it appears to be all over the encyclopedia (look at the very top line on any page one tries to edit). Erpert blah, blah, blah... 00:26, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

  • Yup, it's in the edit notice on this page, and I first noticed it on Bench Accounting. It's on ANI 37 times alone. Everymorning (talk) 00:27, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
    • Also on edit filter interface, and most places. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:28, 26 August 2015 (UTC).
    • Having the same problem; I just created a new article (Leon Dubinsky) and this error is sitting on top of anywhere in the entire article that I used curlicue brackets to transclude a template. It's also worth noting that, oddly enough, the imdb name template still functions correctly, linking to the correct offsite EL, if you click on that text — it just doesn't display properly. Bearcat (talk) 00:29, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
      • On some talk pages too - see Talk:Energy Catalyzer where it appears repeatedly in the header templates. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:30, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
        • It appears to be on any page using any module. The module feature is completely broken. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:30, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
  • It also appears to be happening over at Commons, which seems to imply something *quite* widespread. grendel|khan 00:31, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
              • Revert to pure templates! Quick! All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:33, 26 August 2015 (UTC).
Not sure what this will do to Category:Pages with script errors currently standing at 2865. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:33, 26 August 2015 (UTC).
Like this? Script error: The module returned a value. It is supposed to return an export table. Something obviously blew up real good. Dl2000 (talk) 00:33, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
  • (edit conflict × 6)Same issue here, As an aside it's also at Commons so looks to be a rather big problem!. –Davey2010Talk 00:33, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

.. and fixed...  ? All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:34, 26 August 2015 (UTC).

(edit conflict) Maybe. Boy, that was a frustrating ten minutes... Erpert blah, blah, blah... 00:36, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
I've experienced this problem too. I hope Wikimedia can fix this. - EvilLair ( | c) 00:35, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Seems fixed for me. Careful with that axe, Eugene. -- Diannaa (talk) 00:37, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

I ran a hard refresh on a page where this occurred and it went away. —Mr. Matté (Talk/Contrib) 00:38, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Many pages need a purge to fix it. The search "The module returned a value" currently gives 386 mainspace results where a significant part still needs purging, and there are thousands of hits in other namespaces. I wonder whether there are many others not found by the search. Can somebody flick together a tool to at least purge those in the search? PrimeHunter (talk) 00:56, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
They should all be in Category:Pages with script errors. I did a quick test with pywikibots script, but that sleeps for 10 seconds after purging a page. Anyone with a better script? --Sitic (talk) 01:04, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
There was a small side conversation about this at Wikipedia:Help desk that you might want to peek at too but now that has a link poining over to continue the convo. here. Over at the help desk convo, I posted this screenshot of the bug.
Tortle (talk) 01:07, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Yup Sitic. I checked a few random pages from the category and they all seem to need purging. This would be ridiculously painstaking to undertake by hand. Do they automatixally purge after time or can a bot be created or allocated for the purpose of purging? Tortle (talk) 01:10, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

I think that the best way to handle this is teamwork. Its only about 2000 pages which if divided well will be manageable. Each letter of Category:Pages with script errors has 100-200 pages. I suggest that we all take a chunk to purge. Please write your username underneath next to a letter to handle that chunk of pages. Ill take A which is probably a large chunk of the 2,000+ pages. So for those of yoh who want to help, you can learn how to purge a page here and just go to the category above, and go to all the pages of the letter that you choose and purge each one. Thanks



























Thanks, Tortle (talk) 01:20, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

  • UPDATE- It seems that all of the pages were automatically purged at once and are now all fixed. So now there is no need for manually purging them and the problem is solved. Tortle (talk) 01:55, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
I still see it on some pages, for example Japan Television Service, but most pages do appear to be fixed quickly. I don't recommend spending time on manual mass examination/purging. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:26, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
@George100: A purge has fixed it. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:01, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks - I just looked up the purge function, and realized I could have handled it! --George100 (talk) 20:06, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Toshiaki Kawada[edit]


There are large, red error messages appearing on this page. I'm unsure as to what is creating this problem. Should be easily fixed by somebody more experienced in syntax. Thanks. (talk) 03:07, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

See the "Script error" section above. There has been some widespread error that caused the message you see. I've purged the article and should have fixed it (if you still see it, you need to bypass your cache).--Anders Feder (talk) 03:15, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
@Anders Feder: Stephen Hawking still has the same problem. Please purge it too. This is urgent because Mr Hawking has just announced a new theory and the article will be getting a lot of views due to media coverage. Akld guy (talk) 08:53, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Stephen Hawking has been fixed, some time between 09:15 and 09:25. Akld guy (talk) 09:31, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Is there any maybe a way to purge all broken pages? I guess many remain for instance Syriana. Syced (talk) 10:30, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Currently, there are 501 pages. You can try out User:Frietjes/masspurge.js. I don't have good Internet connection to test the tool myself. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 10:53, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

@Akld guy: Anyone can WP:PURGE a page, it doesn't need any rights, even for protected pages. Logged-out users merely get an extra confirmation step. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:35, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
@Redrose64: Thank you. I hadn't realised that Purging was open to all. Akld guy (talk) 11:42, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
@Redrose64: The script error is rampant on the page for LOUIS FERREIRA. I checked out the fixes you suggested and unfortunately I don't understand how to do ANY of them. I'm not a technical person and have only recently begun to contribute to Wikipedia. It took me 3 hours just to find this post (and I'm so glad I did!) Is there a way to explain the purging to a simpleton like me? I need to fix the page ASAP since I have just obtained legal permission to upload a copyrighted photo and I need the page to work properly. Please help. I'd be forever grateful. Thank you so much for your time to read this!Bczogalla (talk) 02:22, 28 August 2015 (UTC)Bczogalla
@Redrose64: Hi, I was just told to do this: Purge cache by adding ?action=purge to the URL of the page and hit enter. It totally worked!! Bczogalla (talk) 02:33, 28 August 2015 (UTC)Bczogalla

"Script error: The module returned a value. It is supposed to return an export table."[edit]

For some reason the Michelle Malkin article is displaying this text multiple times at the head of the article, within the body text. (Screenshot)

Why is this happening? Is it only happening to me? And how do we fix it? Jajobi (talk) 07:14, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

I see this issue has already been addressed. See #Script_error. Jajobi (talk) 07:18, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
@Jajobi - I just performed a WP:PURGE on the page, it should be fixed. --George100 (talk) 12:06, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
@George100 Hi, the LOUIS FERREIRA page is virtually covered with this error message. I am in desperate need of help as I can't figure out the instructions for the purge. It's probably really simple but to someone who's never done it there is just no way to figure it out... If you could help me out here I'd be so grateful - and thanks for reading this! Bczogalla (talk) 02:26, 28 August 2015 (UTC)Bczogalla
@George100Hi, I was just told to do this: Purge cache by adding ?action=purge to the URL of the page and hit enter. It totally worked!! Bczogalla (talk) 02:34, 28 August 2015 (UTC)Bczogalla
@Bczogalla: If you go to your Help:Preferences, there are at least 2 WP:Gadgets which will make it easier to purge listed under Appearance (for gadgets i.e. Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets). Nil Einne (talk) 14:41, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
It is happening to me as well on the article Arizona pinstriping. Everymorning (talk) 01:15, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
Purged/fixed.--Anders Feder (talk) 01:43, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not loading[edit]

The site is down temporarily. Sometimes the pages load, and for few minutes it doesn't. Other sites have no problem. --Aero Slicer 16:40, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

An educated guess, but preparations for the new MediaWiki version? My name isnotdave (talk/contribs) 17:37, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
@My name is not dave: Deployments (normally) do not take a site down. --Malyacko (talk) 08:14, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
@Aero Slicer: Is there an error message when it does not load? Also, the site might not be "down" but some parts might not be loading in your browser (e.g. user scripts that try to access unreachable servers). If this happens more often, your web browser's developer tools should offer a "Network" tab to investigate. --Malyacko (talk) 08:14, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Is there a better way to illustrate a " --> '' change in the diff view?[edit]

Confusing subject heading, eh? Hi there, when we look at diffs, (for instance here) it's really difficult to see whether someone changed a quotation to italics, or what. Even with the improved diff tool, it's still difficult to tell what happened unless you drag your cursor over the change to see if you highlight one or two things. Is there any way to easily improve this? Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:34, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Some time ago I changed the diff font to monospace in my CSS for the same reason, but have changed it back since. I just wrote this user JS to add some slight padding around apostrophes in diffs, which should help distinguish pairs of apostrophes from double primes without having to change the font. SiBr4 (talk) 18:57, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
I've improved the script to not affect the diff headers ("Revision as of ...", username, summary, previous/next edit links). It caused visible HTML code in case the headers contained apostrophes within HTML attribute values. SiBr4 (talk) 13:48, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
The API diff [1] has monospace so it's easy to distinguish " and ''. But it's not meant for human reading so everything else is hard... PrimeHunter (talk) 21:21, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Content missing in mobile view[edit]

The "Electoral history" section of Harold Stassen is missing in mobile view. I expect it is a problem with the electoral history template being hidden; could someone comfortable with template coding take a look? 28bytes (talk) 21:35, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Confirm this problem, and not just Harold Stassen. Trump'16 also fails in mobile-view,[2] using Template:Endorsements_box for collapsed-by-default-bluebox. I believe all the "Fname Lname presidential campaign, 2016" articles use this very same bluebox trick. Trump'16 works properly in non-mobile-view.[3] Even in mobile-view, you can see the wikitext when you click edit, so the information is not gone, just the bluebox is invisible in mobile-view. Tested in firefox 38. (talk) 00:55, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Same goes for the WP namespace here; closed/archived discussions on WP:DRV, as well as similarly closed discussions on AN/I do not appear on mobile enwiki. lavender|(formerly HMSSolent)|lambast 04:29, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Any templates that use the following classes are hidden by MobileFrontend: ambox, navbox, vertical-navbox, topicon, metadata, nomobile. See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 138#Navboxes in mobile, phab:T55437 and phab:T68747. (talk) 04:49, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
I would say that this is more of an editorial problem. Any time you need to collapse content in order to keep a page readable, sounds like a authoring problem to me. Navboxes is one thing, but to use collapsible inside the actual content is just... bad form —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 09:14, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
MOS:COLLAPSE actually says you need a really really good reason to use collapsible content in articles. --Izno (talk) 15:38, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Yes, you need a really good reason, because you are opening yourself up to problems as the one described here. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 15:47, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
@TheDJ: What change(s) would you recommend that would fix the problem? 28bytes (talk) 18:22, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Cannot edit custom CSS[edit]

I'm logged in, but unable to edit my custom CSS ( Am I overlooking something? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chexni (talkcontribs) 21:57, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

@Chexni: Could you share the error message you get when you use this link? You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason: —? (talk) 04:51, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Please explain what exactly you mean by "unable to edit". For example that you don't have an "Edit" tab, or you get an error message when you click "Edit", or after clicking "Edit" you see an empty box where the code should have been, or that you see the code in the edit box but you cannot change it, or you can change it but not save your changes. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:34, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, PrimeHunter. I'm now able to edit with the query "?action=edit" added to the URL. Without the query added, I don't see an "Edit" tab. The link I'm using to navigate to the page ("Preferences" > "Appearance" > "Shared CSS/JavaScript for all skins: Custom CSS") doesn't seem to add the query. Perhaps there's another way to access this page which adds the necessary query? Chexni (talk) 19:08, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

The "read", "edit" and "history" links and the "watch" star are contained in a <div> with ID "p-views" in Vector. In your CSS you've set the element with that ID to not display, together with the "mw-panel" and "left-navigation" elements. The links should be visible again if you remove the #p-views, row. SiBr4 (talk) 19:39, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Overstriking/superposing characters[edit]

I was told how to rotate (and flip) characters at the Teahouse, but not getting an answer to this one.

I see there's {{transform}} which allows translation of glyphs, but there's not enough documentation for me to figure it out. Can I translate one character on top another, say, overstrike an "x" with a "~"? (That is, a ~ superimposed on x, like , not ~ on top of x like .)

Thanks — kwami (talk) 01:16, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

This might work: x~. Alakzi (talk) 01:40, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Yes, that helps. It lines them up by their left edge. Is it possible to center them so e.g.
(m + l) would also be symmetrical? — kwami (talk) 02:21, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Well, that's slightly more involved: x~. What's your use case? Alakzi (talk) 07:53, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Interesting. That centers them both horizontally and vertically. I'll play around with the code.
There are several esoteric phonetic symbols in old documents that aren't supported by Unicode. Some of them might be approximated with transformations like these, though I'm aware that they wouldn't be copy&paste friendly and so should be used sparingly.
Thanks again! — kwami (talk) 19:33, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Matlab/Simulink widget[edit]

I am interested in the fact if it is possible to link a Matlab/Simulink GUI (graphical user interface) in Wikipedia something similar like a small calculation programm on java basis. Something where the user can interactively change the Matlab/Simulink programme and get the results on a wiki webpage? Maybe it is possible to link Matlab/Simulink with Java and put it than on a wiki site? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:08, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

We cannot do this for security reasons. In that case someone would have to write an open source implementation of something like that and it needs to be hosted on our web services. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 09:03, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Running it on a separate domain solves the security issue. The problem is political: Wikipedia is a copyleft encyclopedia, so is everything from the web browser to operating system (excluding certain foundation teams *cough*fundraising*cough*). Now I tried to find examples of Matlab/Simulink web views and didn't find anything compelling. What questioner is probably asking for an interactive web plot. There are FLOSS tool, but integrating them into Wikipedia would take years because of lethargic foundation. — Dispenser 14:17, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Repeated Spam on Bubble tea page[edit]

  • The Bubble tea page looks normal when logged in, but shows a youtube link repeated hundreds of times when logged out or in incognito mode. Perhaps the page could be purged but I want to make sure someone with a technical background can look at it... --George100 (talk) 16:12, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
    • It seems the culprit was the vandalism to Template:Infobox prepared food. I'm not seeing it when logged in or out so it appears to be fixed on that page at least. Sam Walton (talk) 16:22, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
      • A sampling of the other pages using that template seems to show that everything's back to normal now. Sam Walton (talk) 16:24, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Stan Shebs[edit]

Stan Shebs is not currently listed as a bureaucrat. On the web archive page, it is listed as a bureaucrat. However when I go to the public logs, it does not say anything about changes in group membership. Probably it was done by a steward. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 00:00, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

@GeoffreyT2000: Removals of higher rights are done by Stewards on meta, yes. See the log. (talk) 00:26, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

View history not working?[edit]

Anyone having problems accessing article histories? A user reported at Talk:Jurassic World that he couldn't access the view history at Jurassic World. I tried and couldn't either--the page didn't load after a minute or so. Also had a problem accessing history at this talk page. Thoughts? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:54, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

It could be a problem affecting certain articles somehow. The problem only seems to apply to Jurassic World for me so far, and I haven't found any other articles with the same bug. Versus001 (talk) 01:54, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Does the error go away if you use a different web browser? - X201 (talk) 08:55, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Additional: I've managed to recreate the problem with Chrome, but not IE or Firefox. - X201 (talk) 08:58, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
Confirmed, we will further investigate this, but me and valhalla have looked into this, and we think we found the trigger for this. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 11:26, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
TheDJ The problem goes away if I use Firefox. I'm using Chrome right now and still experiencing the problem. Can't arbitrarily switch to Firefox though. Too many bookmarks and such. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:49, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
I have what I was advised at the Help Desk may be a related problem. If I use Chrome, or am logged in, I can't see my own Contributions list, the browser tab just hangs. But I can see it if I use Safari while not logged in. Another editor there has reported the same problem. Maproom (talk) 12:35, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
Does it work in Microsoft Edge, the new browser in Windows 10? GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 14:13, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
I have the same issue with the history of Jurassic World. I'm on a Mac running 10.10.5 while using Chrome version 44. I have the same problem trying to access Maproom's contributions, though I can access my own. Dismas|(talk) 14:52, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
Just wanted to make sure we didn't have a browser security issue on our hands, but this is caused by a bug in webkit triggered in some circumstances. I'll see if we can revert the line that is triggering this bug. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 18:53, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I recently had a problem with my watchlist freezing during loading, using Firefox. After consulting Google, I cured the problem by disabling the McAfee WebAdvisor plugin, which Firefox reports "could not be verified for use in Firefox". I don't know if this is related or not.-- Dr Greg  talk  20:10, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
It's not in this case, but thanks for bringing ideas. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 20:19, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Watchlist does not load[edit]

When trying to load my watchlist in Chrome, it does not load and instead gives an error message that 'something went wrong'. This happens on multiple machines (one uses Windows 8, the other one Windows 10). However, it does not happen in Firefox, nor for other MediaWiki projects and other Wikipedias in Chrome. A day ago or so it still loaded just fine. Does anyone have an idea what could be wrong? --JorisvS (talk) 14:22, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

See View history not working above - X201 (talk) 14:39, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
For me, the article histories load just fine, my contributions will load just fine. It's my watchlist that won't load. Update: The first time just now it wouldn't load, the second time now it started to load, though just barely, and the third time it again wouldn't load. --JorisvS (talk) 15:41, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
Update: the article history of specifically Jurassic World won't load (those of Pluto and Sun load just fine). --JorisvS (talk) 15:44, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Safari - Watchlist not loading, freezing[edit]

Since yesterday, my watchlist has not been loading at all. Anytime I try to go it, my browser (Safari) freezes. I have no problem with any other Wikipedia page, only my watchlist. Not sure what's going on, but I'd appreciate if someone could explain what's going on. RGloucester 17:35, 28 August 2015 (UTC)


@Cyphoidbomb, Versus001, X201, Maproom, GeoffreyT2000, Dismas, and JorisvS: Yes check.svg Done Hey all, we've done an emergency deploy of TheDJ's patch to fix this. Sorry about the issue. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 20:05, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
Jdforrester (WMF), thanks, works for me now. What specifically was the problem, if I may query? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:09, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
@Cyphoidbomb: A change made last week [4] attempting to fix the positioning of "autocomments" in right-to-left languages like Arabic and Hebrew. This triggered a long-standing bug in WebKit [5] (and thus Safari, Opera and Chrome, amongst other browsers). The revert means that we're back to a bad experience for RTL users, but at least they can now see it. Jdforrester (WMF) (talk) 20:15, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
Hm. Clearly outside of my wheelhouse. :) Much obliged. Thank you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:39, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
Yep, that got it. Thanks! Dismas|(talk) 20:36, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Fixing wikilinks[edit]

I'm sure I've used a tool in the past for fixing links that point to the wrong page. IIRC, it allowed me to go to a 'What links here' page and fix them in big batches. Anyone? --Dweller (talk) 09:49, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

@Dweller: A what links here for disambiguation pages? toollabs:dplbot/dab_fix_list.php, part of the DPL tool collection. — Dispenser 18:34, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Duplicate media viewer links[edit]

On file description pages in MonoBook skin, I sometimes get two pairs of "Open in Media Viewer"/cogwheel links. It's intermittent: I was seeing two pairs at File:Nicola Stugeon Official Portrait.jpg after this edit, but only one pair now. Not the first time this has happened. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:39, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

I also noticed that. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 11:28, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
See phab:T110493. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 07:54, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Cite error for nonexistent reference[edit]

On The Thundermans, I'm seeing "Cite error: The named reference Futon was invoked but never defined", but "Futon" is not mentioned anywhere in the wikitext. nyuszika7h (talk) 10:42, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

The article transcludes List of The Thundermans episodes. The ref in question will be in there. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:46, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
@Nyuszika7H: This edit should fix it. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:50, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
@Redrose64: Thanks! I didn't think of that. nyuszika7h (talk) 10:57, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Can links via navboxes be excluded from "what links here"?[edit]

Is there any way to perform a search equivalent to the "what links here" tool that excludes links that are due to navboxes transcluded in articles? (Or more generally, due to any types of navigation template transcluded in articles?) For example, if navbox X links to article Y, I would like know what articles would link to article Y if navbox X wasn't transcluded in any articles. Is there any tool that can achieve this? -- Dr Greg  talk  20:15, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

You could try searching for -hastemplate:Template linksto:Article, though this will exclude articles that link to "Article" both in the body and in the template. Alakzi (talk) 20:20, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the rapid reply. Yes, that would be good enough for me. -- Dr Greg  talk  20:24, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia search is full featured[edit]

Q. Why include a list of five external search engines on the special search page, along with the internal tool to select a search domain?
A.1 Because Cirrus Search is still in Beta?
A.2 Because the other search engines are user friendly: documentation, popup hints, a widely known "query language"?
A.3 To support Search engine bias?
A.4 To support "education" about other search engines?
A.5 To offload our server?
A.6 To compete with the Templates for searching Wikipedia that use external search links?
I think those are all the "false" reasons, and with that I'm seeking some "truth" here, some validation of the existence of external search engines on the special search page (if only to document their existence). I see no reason for them, and I see no way to document them, other than to link to there "query language" page.

I'm thinking the only reason an external search engine would ever be needed to is because they had more features, or they had some unique flavor of page-ranking. Could page-raking the only true reason? I'm pretty sure that page-ranking is never tweakable, so it could be a valid reason.

Cirrus Search offers every possible search feature in all the standard ways, and as for speed, it's as good as it gets with the open source, industry-leading, elasticsearch/lucene core. — CpiralCpiral 23:44, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Because you enabled a non-default gadget in your preferences called: "Add a selector to the Wikipedia search page allowing the use of external search engines" ? —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 00:53, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Cna't help but laugh. That's why, right? But Google has better typo correction. Compare Special:Search/Wikiedia with wikiedia. Eman235/talk 01:01, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
I have fixed the typo in AG Vulcan Stettin. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 02:04, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
You dida.CpiralCpiral 08:05, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
This is nah, nah. Frowny.svgCpiralCpiral 08:05, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Smiley.svg. — CpiralCpiral 08:05, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


The links in Rdcheck with "redirect=no" still use http. They should be changed to https. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 00:45, 29 August 2015 (UTC) is an external tool. It says "Maintained by Dispenser (talk)." PrimeHunter (talk) 01:28, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
It's actually protocol relative. I've been waiting for Let's Encrypt to open up. — Dispenser 01:35, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Talk archive navigation[edit]

On some pages, Template:Talk archive navigation shows two bold selflinks instead of one redlink to the next archive page. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 03:35, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Post an example. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:43, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
For example, User talk:Doniago/Archive 44 has "Archive 44" in bold twice. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 03:59, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
A purge has fixed it. It looks as if some layer of the software miscounted the archives during the creation of archive 44. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:04, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
The archive link to the right of User talk:Doniago/Archive 44 uses Module:Highest archive number to go to the first non-existing archive. It was a bold self-link instead in the page creation, because the page itself was not registered as existing during its creation. A purge after the creation will fix it. To see the issue without creating new pages, enter {{talkarchivenav}} at Special:ExpandTemplates with a non-existing archive in the "Context title" field, for example User talk:Doniago/Archive 45, where the last archive is currently User talk:Doniago/Archive 44. It tries to link to User talk:Doniago/Archive 45 to the right, but the link becomes bold text because the rendering recognizes that it would be a selflink with the given Context title. A higher number like User talk:Doniago/Archive 50 as Context title will also link to the first non-existing archive number User talk:Doniago/Archive 45, but in this case it remains a red link. Note that previewing {{talkarchivenav}} on User talk:Doniago/Archive 45 will not reveal the problem, because the preview behaves as if the page already exists. To see this difference more directly, previewing {{#ifexist:User talk:Doniago/Archive 45|yes|no}} on User talk:Doniago/Archive 45 returns "yes", but the same code on Special:ExpandTemplates returns "no" even if User talk:Doniago/Archive 45 is specified as Context title. It's probably a good idea for test purposes that previewing behaves as if the page already exists, but it might be better if ExpandTemplates and saving also worked like that. I created User:PrimeHunter/sandbox5 with {{#ifexist:User:PrimeHunter/sandbox5|yes|no}}. Before saving it previewed "yes", right after saving it said "no", and after a purge it said "yes". PrimeHunter (talk) 20:51, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Gallery mode packed[edit]

Hello. I am Jack ma, from fr:wiki. Since last year, <gallery> has changed : photographs are smaller, unless we specify "mode=packed". Unfortunatly, mixing upright and landscape photographs gives a horrible result. Could somebody correct this, at least to get smaller margins in standard mode ? Regards, Jack ma (talk) 06:03, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

User:Bawolff probably knows whether this:
<gallery height="300">
File:Reprocessed Mariner 10 image of Mercury.jpg|Mercury
File:Venus globe.jpg|Venus
is supposed to produce something different from this:
File:Reprocessed Mariner 10 image of Mercury.jpg|Mercury
File:Venus globe.jpg|Venus
It seems like it should, but AFAICT, the height parameter is completely ignored (and "widths" only changes the size of the white box, not the size of the image). WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:53, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
According to Help:Gallery tag, the parameter is "heights" not "height". -- John of Reading (talk) 17:49, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
Well, I'm glad that one of us knows how to read the documentation.  ;-) Thanks, John.
Jack ma, if you add heights=300px widths=300px (and set the pixel size to anything you want) then you will get larger images. NB that for square images, you need to set both, because the images will be constrained by the smaller size. However, if you have only wide (landscape) or only tall (portrait) images, you can set one or the other. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:51, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

"preview references" and "preview references in full page" button needed in "edit/preview" mode.[edit]


Wikipedia:Village_pump (technical)/Archive 1#Needing_the .3Creferences.2F.3E tag (from way back on 23:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC)) had some good ideas but more work needs to be done.

A simple "Twist-tie" item similar to the existing ones ("Templates used in this section:", "This page is a member of 5 hidden categories (help) :", and "Parser profiling data (help) :" ) called "References used in this section" which would display what would be in the <references /> section (along with any named-group "references" sections), error messages and all, would be very helpful.

In addition, a "preview references in full page" check-box that changed the behavior of this "twist-tie" to show all references used throughout the page would be good for making sure that changes to the section didn't break any references elsewhere in the page. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:31, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

@Davidwr: Installing the script importScript('User:Anomie/ajaxpreview.js'); to your common.js will add a Preview w/Refs button to the edit window which gives you the functionality you are looking for. - (talk) 17:56, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Missing sections[edit]

Some sections of Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) are not shown in mobile. They are shown only when you expand the 2nd section. (talk) 17:37, 29 August 2015 (UTC) (talk) 18:26, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Caused by div tags, now fixed. - (talk) 18:39, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Cross-wiki preferences[edit]

Now that we have single sign-in is it by any chance possible to set preferences (gender, for example, or "show hidden categories) for all Wikipedias at once? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:03, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

No. Any feature would probably be for all Wikimedia wikis and not just Wikipedias. There is a request at phab:T16950: "Global preferences". You can make a global user page and global css and js, but that's about it. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:38, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Although it is poorly documented, I'm using this to have a few preferences to be set automatically in each WMF wiki I visit: Helder 20:42, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
So, how do I install this script, where do I edit the "userjs-global-preferences" and "userjs-global-preferences-exceptions", and where do I find possible preferences to configure and their possible values? --Pipetricker 16:24, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Alt text statistics[edit]

dbname Views/Hr Size Articles Pages without Images Images Alt
enwiki 6,561,878 12.0 GB 4,936,767 56% 6,451,198 1.70%
dewiki 848,184 3.5 GB 1,777,086 54% 2,938,529 0.13%
jawiki 838,101 2.0 GB 945,936 66% 1,029,386 0.25%
eswiki 796,411 2.0 GB 1,115,193 47% 1,886,752 0.10%
ruwiki 793,983 2.3 GB 1,192,669 52% 1,698,936 0.21%
zhwiki 628,241 1.1 GB 797,491 66% 811,159 0.35%
frwiki 567,021 2.8 GB 1,585,562 54% 2,379,061 1.94%
itwiki 314,995 1.9 GB 1,175,512 53% 2,004,815 0.09%
ptwiki 290,880 1.1 GB 863,286 53% 1,229,948 0.17%
plwiki 258,567 1.3 GB 1,086,550 56% 1,457,302 0.04%

I spent Saturday figuring out how much Alt text is in use. I've included other interesting measurements as well. Enwiki has more traffic than the next 30 wikis combined. According to information/compression theory the compressed size should correspond to the information regardless of language or codecs. Surprisingly the majority of articles don't have images and those that do, 25% have three or more (enwiki). Regarding alt text we're only second to the French (1.94% total), although our is more spread out (enwiki 2.39% 1 alt text per pages vs 1.94% for frwiki). Photographs see more alt text at 2.0% than drawing/loss-less image, 1.7%.

Measurements were done on dumps around Jan 2015, except enwiki which used the Aug 2015 dump. Images were detect by file extension (DjVu, GIF, JPG, PDF, PNG, SVG, TIFF) followed by a gallery, template, or link closing character. This is an upper-bound, excluding indirect transcluded images. Any questions? Other numbers you'd like to see? — Dispenser 17:00, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Dispenser, I'd like to know if it has improved over time. Can you compare it to January 2014 (at least for a couple of the bigger wikis, like the French Wikipedia)? WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:51, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
WhatamIdoing, WMF's snapshot dumps only go back 9-12 months. Finding older dumps is hard, got some for enwiki, but nothing else. The proper way would be parse the complete dump (enwiki: 103 GB compressed), dump it into a database, then we can graph it day-to-day. This is beyond my current needs, but if somebody's willing donate high performance cloud computing or Bitcoins it can be done. — Dispenser 21:47, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

RfC for Navbox colors[edit]

There is currently an RfC regarding changes to the default background colors on {{Navbox}} with regard to WP:COLOR. The RfC is located at Template talk:Navbox#RfC: Should the default colors for this template be changed to satisfy AAA level accessibility color contrasts WP:COLOR? If so, to which colors?. Thank you. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 18:01, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

keeping Wikipedia's local storage when clearing browser data[edit]

I came across an interesting script, Cumbril's IPLabeller, which allows you to add labels/colors to IP addresses. Unfortunately, since I routinely clean up/clear my browser data, those labels would get wiped. Does anyone know of a way to whitelist or create an exception for a particular site's local storage? Or maybe another workaround? I realize this is more of a browser question than a Wikipedia question, but it seems like something that would have come up with other scripts and such. Thanks. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 19:03, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

@Rhododendrites: What browser are you using? GoingBatty (talk) 19:22, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
@GoingBatty: Ah, sorry, should have mentioned that. Chrome (v44...). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 19:24, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Fragile template:infobox company[edit]

This version of Sepahan Oil Company crashes my copies of Opera and Google Chrome (but not Firefox!). The problem was solved by removing the [[]] around the logo file name. It may also only show if the logo is on Commons. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:04, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

The file has a size of over 10k x 10k pixels at maximum. I guess that the template was calling the full sized file that was too large for your browsers. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:11, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
It's because the full resolution logo is enormous. Removing the brackets means it's being parsed by Module:InfoboxImage, which applies the frameless keyword to produce [[File:Sepahan Oil Company's logo.jpg|frameless]]. Alakzi (talk) 22:12, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Thank you. I had in fact just worked that out for myself. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:13, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Edit not displayed[edit]

For some reason I still can't see this most recent edit in the article's section for the second day, even though I repeatedly purged the cache and restarted the browser. The wikisyntax seems to be normal and my secondary browser doesn't shows the edit either. Do you see it? Ideas? Brandmeistertalk 08:22, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

There are two sections with the same title. Are you looking at the second one? -- zzuuzz (talk) 08:26, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
Yes, haven't noticed, my bad. Brandmeistertalk 08:49, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Template error: {{Crlf2}}[edit]

Something has gone wrong with {{Crlf2}}: it now adds the characters &#xD; on to any page where it is used, as you can see on the description page itself: Noyster (talk), 09:27, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Sounds as if something like HTML Tidy is being enthusiastic. Maybe there's a character blacklist, and the CR character has been added to that by a Unix guru who isn't aware of its uses in Windowsy systems. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:08, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
I suspect it has something to do with the following line from the HTML5 spec: "Where character references are allowed, a character reference of a "LF" (U+000A) character (but not a "CR" (U+000D) character) also represents a newline." This refers to content, not to using a CR in general. Somewhere further along it states: "The numeric character reference forms described above are allowed to reference any Unicode code point other than U+0000, U+000D, permanently undefined Unicode characters (noncharacters), surrogates (U+D800–U+DFFF), and control characters other than space characters." So it's no longer valid in HTML5 —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 18:52, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
What problem does this template solve? The first and last examples both produce a list. Alakzi (talk) 19:17, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Pages appearing erroneously in a category[edit]

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Devon/Archive 2 and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography/Archive 10 both appear in Category:Civil parishes in Devon, which of course they should not do. I cannot see what is making them do this. Can anyone here see what's going on and advise how to fix it? DuncanHill (talk) 14:57, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

The template {{Devon parishes}} was transcluded on both pages. I've removed both instances, it should be OK now. --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:05, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 15:13, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
I have used {{main other}} so the category is only added in mainspace.[6] PrimeHunter (talk) 16:32, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
Cool. Item # 4,187 on the list of things I didn't know it was possible to do. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:56, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
The navbox shouldn't categorise anywhere, see WP:TEMPLATECAT. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:39, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Measuring the extent that redirects are used[edit]

Is there a way that we could do this. At WP:RM editors frequently present request like the one found at Talk:Stupid#Requested move 30 August 2015 on the basis of WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. It would be helpful to collect data on the use of links from navigation pages. ping Steel1943 GregKaye 17:31, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

The page view statistics tool already provides usage for redirects separately from the target article. Are you looking for something more specific? olderwiser 18:41, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-36[edit]

21:37, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Site notice (banner)[edit]

Where is this WikiConference USA site notice coming from? I've been looking for an hour and not finding any info on its provenance. It needs to be edited to include more specific application deadline information (it implies that the deadline is the end of Aug. 31 UTC (which passes within the hour), but it's actually August 31, 2015 at 11:59 PM EDT.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  23:13, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

meta:Special:CentralNoticeBanners/edit/WikiConference USA 2015. Note the display ends in four hours. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:44, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks anyway. I didn't get to it in time to do anything with it.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  06:09, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Delete a Draft[edit]

I'm sorry, but I couldn't figure out where I can ask for a deletion of a draft of mine. Please delete User:Liadmalone/John Roy Carlson. Thank you. Liadmalone (talk) 00:03, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

I've deleted the draft for you. The fastest way to request deletion of your drafts is normally to place {{db-u1}} at the top of the page. I honestly don't know how those who are unaware are supposed to find this out, aside from reading the entirety of the deletion policy. Someguy1221 (talk) 00:06, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
@Liadmalone and Someguy1221: Wikipedia:User pages#Deletion of user pages - or WP:UP#DELETE for short. --Redrose64 (talk) 07:39, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
@Someguy1221: exactly. I couldn't find myself there! In the Hebrew Wiki it's easier to find... thank you. @Redrose64: Thanks, I'll add the link to my user page. Liadmalone (talk) 09:43, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Protected pages...[edit]

I need to correct a page, please but am warned that it is protected against vandalism. Yet it also says it was amended just 3days ago! How can I unlock this page & 'claim(!)' a correction?

Thanks in advance. :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Merseymale (talkcontribs) 05:07, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

@Merseymale: This is really a WP:HD matter, not VPT. You can't "unlock" (or as we say in Wikipedia, "unprotect") a page, that ability is reserved for administrators; but on the talk page of the article concerned, you can describe the edit that you want to make, and request that somebody with the appropriate user right carry it out on your behalf. See Wikipedia:Protected edit requests for information on how to do this. --Redrose64 (talk) 07:45, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
@Merseymale: You didn't name the page so we cannot see whether it's semi-protected or fully protected. If you have an Edit tab which gives a box saying "This page has been semi-protected so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it", then you can edit it. Some users misunderstand the message and think they cannot edit it. If it's fully protected which is rare then it has a "View source" tab and can only be edited by administrators. If you click the tab then it's easy to make an edit request. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:52, 1 September 2015 (UTC)


How can I find out what my Password is after I logged in? I need to write it down since I forgot it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dexhu (talkcontribs) 05:23, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

You can't. If you have forgotten your password, see Help:Logging in#What if I forget the password?.--Anders Feder (talk) 05:30, 1 September 2015 (UTC)