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Section 5:2 spelling error

"Marxst" =>> "Marxist" . Thanks for the unbiased page providing viewpoints from first world and second world people. Unfortunately, having a spelling mistake, means that because More information is Better is a great axiom for wikipedia to strive towards, one person (myself) will spend quarter of an hour searching the internet for "Marxst" (haha.) Unless of course that was a purposeful neologism conveying the idea that "there's no I in Marxism" (similar to the euphemism "There's no I in team." In which case, great. Grazi.

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I want to add North Korea to the list of remaining communist countries today TheFedsAreHere (talk) 05:43, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The article North Korea describes it as a Unitary one-party republic under a totalitarian dictatorship. It is well sourced. No mention of communism there. HiLo48 (talk) 06:00, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah but it says here in this wikipedia article Communism in Korea that North Korea is a Juche socialist state under the rule of the Workers' Party of Korea and Juche means It postulates that "man is the master of his destiny", that the Korean masses are to act as the "masters of the revolution and construction" and that by becoming self-reliant and strong, a nation can achieve true socialism. [1] contribs) 00:37, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Neither Juche nor socialism are the same thing as communism. HiLo48 (talk) 02:08, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Article title is misleading

Wouldn't it make more sense to have this page be named socialist state? I am aware that it clarifies that by communist states the article is referring to "states governed by communist parties" but it is oxymoronic and would be more factually and terminologically correct if it was renamed to socialist state. Marxist-Leninist state would work better as well since this focuses on and is a part of the series on Marxist-Leninism. Digiulio8 (talk) 10:04, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No the article title is not misleading, everything is clarified in the lead.(KIENGIR (talk) 14:53, 26 January 2021 (UTC))[reply]
Why not write Marxist-Leninist state then? There have been socialist societies that have been run by communist parties but don't fall into the definitions in the article (namely following Marxist-Leninist tendencies.) And like I mentioned before "communist state" is completely oxymoronic. Maybe misleading wasn't the right word rather just terminologically incorrect and doesn't focus on the ideology of Marxist-Leninism which is what the article is supposed to be about. Not to mention "communist government" is also mentioned several times throughout the article which falls into the same issue as the title.Digiulio8 (talk) 18:35, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Because most commonly they are referred like that, nothing "oxymoronic" here.(KIENGIR (talk) 21:56, 28 January 2021 (UTC))[reply]
Alright then. Isn't really factually correct by any means though but oh well. I guess if that doesn't matter then it doesn't need to change lol. Digiulio8 (talk) 09:22, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Time to move China to "Previous communist states"?

I think many people who have really looked into it agree that China is NOT a communist country anymore. She was during ~1950s to 1970s. In the early 1980s, Deng Xiaoping began the Chinese economic reform (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_economic_reform), gradually changed China from a communist country to the current socialist country with Chinese characteristics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_with_Chinese_characteristics). Some people even started to classify her system as "state capitalism" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism). Communist China is a thing of the past. You can hardly find any characteristics of communism in China now. Except for the word "communist" in the Chinese Communist Party but why they do not change the name is another story. WakemanCK (talk) 04:53, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

POV edits by BunnyyHop

BunnyyHope has made two changes adding and removing content to push their POV into the article. See [2], [3]. I have reverted these edits because there is no consensus for a change per BRD.  // Timothy :: talk  01:13, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is the article under WP:1RR? --BunnyyHop (talk) 02:02, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh yes, including Non-Aligned Movement and the Third World is POV, straight from Soviet history textbooks. A lot of them did not follow communist ideology. My very best wishes (talk) 02:17, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The idea that the nation in the center of the Cuban missile crisis was "non-aligned" is laughable. Yugoslavia had a more varied relationship with the Soviet Union and the communist bloc, often based on the need for western aid, but they were clearly aligned with the communist bloc through most of their history. (Judt, T. (2005). Postwar: A History of Europe Since 1945.) Trying to claim otherwise is a POV that ignore actual facts and history.  // Timothy :: talk  04:24, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This is WP:FORUM, with complete disregard to WP:SCHOLARSHIP WP:TERTIARY sources. See the latter guideline. --BunnyyHop (talk) 04:53, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong again, Wikpedia articles should be based on reliable secondary sources, per WP:RS "Articles should rely on secondary sources whenever possible.".  // Timothy :: talk  05:06, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
WP:TERTIARY

Policy: Reliable tertiary sources can be helpful in providing broad summaries of topics that involve many primary and secondary sources, and may be helpful in evaluating due weight, especially when primary or secondary sources contradict each other

WP:SECONDARY

Policy: Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from reliable secondary sources

Does this say tertiary sources should not be used?
--BunnyyHop (talk) 05:15, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's a fact that there were "communist states" in the Non-Aligned Movement, and not just Yugoslavia and Cuba, which both played leading roles in the Non-Aligned Movement. These states were not part of the Warsaw Pact, which was a formal alliance for which "Eastern Bloc" is often used as synonym. A tertiary source is fine; there is no shortage of secondary sources either. Zloyvolsheb (talk) 05:44, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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