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Propaganda

Do you have some proof for this: "It was supposed to break down the Germans but actually had destroyed Belgrade more than the German bombs. On some found bombs, it was written in Serbian Cyrillic Happy Easter"? This state was created in 1990, and was part of Slobodan Miloshevic propaganda against US and Britain. Please give citation or remove this propaganda.

More info

"Civilian casualties were as many as 1,160, while German military losses were 18." 18 what? Buildings? Bases? 99.236.220.155 (talk) 05:23, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Splitting

Well, I think that should be two separate articles 'cause attacker in this two occasions were not fight on the same side. Also, if you look into French, German and Serbian articles, you'll see that they describe only one bombing (not both in the same article). -- Bojan 05:29, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I don't think there is need for two articles. Those were both in the same war, and the second article would be too short. Vanjagenije (talk) 11:08, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Questionable numbers of downed aircraft

Even though the claim that Yugoslav fighters shot down 12 German Messerchmits is referenced it is still false. The truth is that they shot down 12 German aircraft of all types - the majority of them being Junkers Ju-87 Stukas. Also, Milisav Semiz never shot down four aircraft. According to some optimistic Serbian sources I read, he claimed only three enemy aircraft. However, I remember hearing an interview with a member of a small club dedicated to Yugoslav Royal Air Force (historical research and memory preservation) some years ago who claimed that no Yugoslav pilot shot down more than two aircraft during the campaign.

Veljko Stevanovich 13. 07. 2007. 00:45 UTC+1

This whole article is bunkum

No wonder Wikipedia isn't trusted as a source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.23.238 (talk) 17:53, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Split of article

I consider this article should be split into two, this one for the German bombing (Operation Retribution) in April 1941 that presaged the invasion, and a new one for the Allied bombing of Yugoslavia (which mainly occurred in 1944). The USAAF and RAF bombed Belgrade, Mostar, Niš, Pančevo, Zara, Skopje, Metovic, Knin, Imotski, Bihac, Brod, Drnis, Leskovic, Zagreb, Varazdin etc etc etc. Conflating two bombings of Belgrade three years apart is counterintuitive when there is much more to the Allied missions that bombed Belgrade (for example the USAAF also bombed Niš and Pančevo on the same day in April 1944). They really are separate subjects. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 04:46, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support - If the article dealing with the allied bombing cannot be developed substantially beyond the scope currently found in this article, the material could be arranged as an article on allied bombing of Yugoslavia in WWII, with an appropriate wikilink in this one.--Tomobe03 (talk) 09:36, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Undiscussed move

I have reversed the move to Bombing of Belgrade in World War II, as that is NOT the scope of the article. This article relates only to Operation Retribution, the bombing of Belgrade at the outset of the Axis invasion in April 1941, not the later bombing of Belgrade by the Allies that occurred between 1941 and 1945, covered by Allied bombing of Yugoslavia in World War II. When moving articles, please take into account the scope of the article, other articles that might cover the topic, and the class of the article, and use an RM if unsure. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:10, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Easter?

Dear @Peacemaker67:, I have doubts on the Easter.

First of all, 6 april gregorian was saturday, so cannot be the Easter Sunday. This is sure.

Gilbert (Grande Storia della Seconda Guerra Mondiale, I have it in italian ...) states that Beograd was full of people collected there to celebrate the Palm Sunday (evidently the next day). The correctness of Gilbert is highly probable.

My computer program computes that the Orthodox Easter was on 7 april julian i.e. 20 april gregorian. Quite probably I have a bug ...

Suppongoche (talk) 19:25, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]