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Battle of Berbera
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Previously deleted, this page is a work of Original Research that has created an entire 'Battle of Berbera' out of thin air. It's all nicely decorated, but it's a fantasy. The key work cited (James Marshall's Royal Naval Biography) is 434 pages in extent - there is no page 436 and 437. Lowe's 'History of the Indian Navy' does, however, mention an action taken at Berbera in February: 'Berbera was burnt after a skirmish'. There is no history that mentions a 'Battle of Berbera' and no evidence given in the page that any historian has ever conferred the title 'Battle' on this minor incident. David Laitin, a cited source, does not even bother to mention the bombardment, let alone refer to this incident as the 'Battle of Berbera'. The author has gone to great pains to create links to the 'Battle of Berbera', creating an online false positive for an historical event of no significance that only bears this name because it has been conferred by a Wikipedia editor. Suggest merge any salvageable (properly sourced) content with the Berbera article under the subheading 'Conflict with British' but not 'Battle of Berbera'. To be honest, I worry about other page creations by this editor, such as 'Isaaq Sultanate'... Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:00, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:00, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:00, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:03, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as hoax or embellishment of actual events. The Royal Naval Biography was written by one John Marshall, not James, and makes no mention whatsoever of Berbera, let alone a battle. That alone makes the article highly suspect, and I can find precisely zero references to a "Battle of Berbera" elsewhere. ƒirefly ( t · c ) 07:36, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as hoax and WP:SALT. No RS this happened. Mztourist (talk) 09:06, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Keep I will provide the reasons below for why my article is accurate.
It's all nicely decorated, but it's a fantasy. The key work cited (James Marshall's Royal Naval Biography) is 434 pages in extent - there is no page 436 and 437. Lowe's 'History of the Indian Navy' does, however, mention an action taken at Berbera in February: 'Berbera was burnt after a skirmish'. There is no history that mentions a 'Battle of Berbera' and no evidence given in the page that any historian has ever conferred the title 'Battle' on this minor incident.
Patently false, here is the cited text which is 456 pages long! You've just tried to discredit the entire article based off that. I implore you to read those pages where the events are described. You can even find John Bremer's biography on wiki source.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Royal_Naval_Biography/Bremer,_James_John_Gordon
David Laitin, a cited source, does not even bother to mention the bombardment, let alone refer to this incident as the 'Battle of Berbera'.
Regarding Laitin he was the authority on the settlement money that's why I used him since it covers the rest of that sentence. As for the bombardment I forgot to add Richard Burton's First Footsteps in East Africa. He credits the Elphinstone commanded by Capt. Greer that did exactly as I claimed on page xxxii.
If it does not constitute a 'battle' as claimed then it should be renamed to Berbera Punitive Expedition, the events laid out in the Background, British Arrival, Battle, and Aftermath sections all align with the sources in the article and this Burton one I've displayed now that should assure you about the 1825 bombardment.
Gerald Sandford Graham's 1967 book summarizes what I am trying to detail in the article. Great Britain in the Indian Ocean A Study of Maritime Enterprise 1810-1850 pg. 302
In 1827 a small squadron under Sir Gordon Bremer had attacked and blockaded Berbera.
The only thing you're hinging to delete the entire page off of is the word 'Battle'. The chronology is 100% accurate and your unfamiliarity with the content in the key source is disappointing, despite you claiming otherwise with the page length. I also emplore @Mztourist: and @Firefly: to review this evidence and reconsider their votes. WanderingGeeljire (talk) 11:07, 24 March 2021 (UTC)