User talk:Timtrent

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Samuray Kuba page translation

Hello there Tim, regarding: Samuray Kuba I'm just trying to translate the already present and live page on Wikipedia DE, into English. I've been asked previously to cite every song he made, and unfortunately when you mention "PR puffery", it wasn't my intention some websites are just music streaming provider where I can find a citation of a certain song published. Instead, when you mention: " self published sources " can't really see which.

If I input the same amount of references and citations as in the German version, will it be accepted or not, as I'm just trying to translate the current existing page? here as follows you can find the German page: Samuray Kuba DE

At last, please I'd like to double check with you whether I have to find a reference for every song and every album as well, or those don't need to be added, as in the German version?

Thanks a lot for clarifying my doubts in advance 2A02:8084:20E2:AD80:9C27:2E9B:FA31:39FD (talk) 11:00, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

What is required is quality of referencing, not quantity. The German Language Wikipedia has different criteria forth English Language one. You need to show that the artist passes Wikipedia:Notability (music). My message was generic, and relies on your skill to see what is what.

Music streaming (etc) providers are sources where people pay money to download, or download at zero fee. Using those is tantamount to saying "Buy my music" and is not allowed Fiddle Faddle 11:09, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your answer and clarifying that! Highly appreciated. Hope you have a nice day 2A02:8084:20E2:AD80:494A:7BDC:3020:A8D8 (talk) 10:36, 9 April 2021 (UTC) Just to get this right, I don't need to add a reference for each song/album then, right? 2A02:8084:20E2:AD80:494A:7BDC:3020:A8D8 (talk) 10:37, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm not a music specialist, however, I think a reference for the chart position of significant songs is appropriate. I do know it can do no harm Fiddle Faddle 11:47, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Request on 11:22:56, 10 April 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Leagueheritage

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Copyright material is myself who has penned this article and maintain as one of the trustees of the League heritage group. What do I need to do to correct this ?

Leagueheritage (talk) 11:22, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

@Leagueheritage please read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and consider whether you are the correct person to re-write this draft. Rather than plough ahead using the Wikipedia:Volunteer Response Team to prove that you have licenced the text correctly, you could use a licence such as the CC BY-SA 3.0 License and GFDL on your web site, thus use the text directly.

Far better is to write new, fresh text that is in the third person (yours was first person plural), that is neutral (dull-but-worthy), and well referenced.

We require references from significant coverage about the topic of the article, and independent of it, and in WP:RS please. See WP:42. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact referred to, that meet these tough criteria is likely to allow any draft to remain. Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the topic is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today.

Note that you must make a correct declaration of COI Fiddle Faddle 11:55, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Request on 16:44:50, 10 April 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by BoommBoomm87

Amnot Areso (talk) 16:48, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

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I created the page on Ophthalmic Technician. I was trying to submit it for review but accidentally duplicated it and "moved" it to a new User:Ophthalmic Technician. This is why one got deleted. I need to view my work. How can I view it? I can't get to my article.

BoommBoomm87 (talk) 16:44, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi, yes, I'd like to second that request for undeletion. This contributor is working on this page for a class I'm teaching, and I'd like to be able to access her content to evaluate it. --Amnot Areso (talk) 16:48, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

@Amnot Areso @BoommBoomm87 if you navigate to User:Ophthalmic Technician you will see that it was deleted by @ Fastily who is an administrator on this project. They or any other admin should be able to accede to your request. Alternatively you may request this at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion.

@Amnot Areso are you correctly registered with Wikipedia:Education program? If so, great. If not. please do. You get extra assistance with courses. Fiddle Faddle 17:03, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Request on 11:06:35, 8 April 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Sam445445

Request on 11:06:35, 8 April 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Sam445445

Sam445445 (talk · contribs) (TB) Draft: Mohammad Ibraheem Khan (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Sam445445 (talk) 11:06, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@Sam445445 It is customary to ask a question at a help desk. Perhaps you would like to ask yours? Please see Telepathy Fiddle Faddle 11:21, 8 April 2021 (UTC) @Timtrent :-) :-) Have a look at his contribs regarding my UTP... CommanderWaterford (talk) 20:01, 8 April 2021 (UTC) @CommanderWaterford ah yes. Indeed. See, my Telepathy interface needs an upgrade. Fiddle Faddle 21:17, 8 April 2021 (UTC) @Sam445445 I decided to do this for you. It was quicker than explaining. Fiddle Faddle 21:21, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@Timtrent: I have added reference links as per requirement.is it a good link from news articles?could you help me with this https://www.google.com/search?tbm=nws&q=%22Mohammad+Ibraheem+Khan%22+-wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam445445 (talk • contribs) 07:32, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Sam445445 I still have no idea what your question is Fiddle Faddle 07:52, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Latest Edits to Randall Lee Goodden

Hello Tim Trent, Related to the question of whether I am "Goodden" or not, my brother has also been helping me with the article, so I speculate he said "I am not Goodden", whereas I said "I am Goodden". That is why we selected going under an anonymous name.

Secondly, when we did submit a revised version to be looked at, Wikipedia sent it to 2 Editors at the exact same time, which they messaged us and told us was an accident that sometimes happens, and the other Editor was CommanderWaterford, who then began a dialog with us.

Third, I either took the pictures, or had someone use my camera to take them, which means I own the rights to the pictures.

As for the Oxford brochure, here is an email from them verifying it's authenticity -

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On Thursday, April 8, 2021, 04:58:22 AM CDT, Technology <technology@conted.ox.ac.uk> wrote: Dear Randall, Thank you for your email.

As this course is no longer offered by the Department, we cannot host materials relating to it on our web servers. We would be happy to verify that the attached document was issued by this Department and that the course ran on the listed dates. You would be welcome to list this email address for doing so.

Kind regards, Jack

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The current displayed revised rough draft article is the latest. You had seen the very short version which CommanderWaterford had criticized for being too short and not having larger explanations and more material, so everything was added.

Now we apparently have a problem as we're now dealing with you and him on the content, so I'm not sure what to do.

I should also mention that the current version is a Sandbox draft, and wasn't being submitted for Editor review yet as we're not done with it. But I hit "Publish" because the system says that is the only way of saving the newly edited material, as I lost the new material numerous times and had to re-add it.

Randall Goodden A Flaneur (talk) 15:20, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@A Flaneur you may not share an account between you and your brother. One of you must stop immediately, which should come as no surprise to you you accepted the terms and conditions when you joined. Continuing to share an account will result in the account being blocked. See Wikipedia:SHAREDACCOUNT. It is a form of sock puppetry and is a blocking offence.

You are not dealing with me, nor with @CommanderWaterford except insofar as I am considering your edits very carefully and have come to the conclusion that you have been economical with the truth over who "you" are. You are dealing with Wikipedia, a community of volunteers. Any time you publish text, including when you published this message to me, that text becomes Wiipedia's, and you agree to irrevocably release your text under the CC BY-SA 3.0 License and GFDL.

Any proof of licencing and/or authority to post the material must be sent to whichever is relevant of COM:OTRS or WP:OTRS. This depends on where you have posted these pieces of self aggrandisement. I have neither the interest in it nor the ability to deal with it, but I will always chase down improperly licenced material.

You obviously hit Review at some point, which is why it was reviewed. Creating a further sandbox version tends to be seen as attempting to game the system. Edit the existing draft that has been reviewed, please.

In general messages such as my formal enquiry about your rather bifurcated identity shoudl be answered there. Since oyu have replied here I will put a link beneath it. Please note that Wikipedians are used to hearing a variety of "My brother did it" excuses. They do not wash with us. This is a serious project on a serious web site, as serious as any project you have encountered in your life. Do us the courtesy of treating it that way please. IT may be administered and edited by amateurs, but the sole difference between an amateur and a professional is that the professional receives payment Fiddle Faddle 15:44, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

A Flaneur - Can you please clarify? Are you saying that you are sharing your user account with your brother? Or is he only editing anonymously using an IP address? ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:23, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Tim In answer to your last question my brother was only trying to help edit certain paragraphs in the article while it is in the Sandbox, and then he would ask me if I wanted to go with his edit. I didn't think this would be a problem especially being that I was the only one pushing "Publish" in order to save what we did, but I can handle it myself from this point on if it's a problem.

Randall Goodden A Flaneur (talk) 18:18, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@A Flaneur We wil take @Oshwah's opinion since it was their question, not mine, on whether it matters. However, I would make the very strong point that your statement I was the only one pushing "Publish" in order to save what we did is at variance with the statement made by your account that you are not Goodden. Indeed it is evidence that this cannot have been so. That leads me to consider that not only does it matter, it matters a very great deal. But I am not an administrator of this project. Fiddle Faddle 18:23, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

A Flaneur - The important question is: Does your brother have access to your account? Does he have the password to it? You admitted to letting him use your account to enter content into pages (albeit the sandbox) before you publish them; you're wholly responsible for all actions pertaining to your account. If your brother wants to help with editing content, he needs to create his own account and declare that you two share the same IP. Then, you two can work together on separate accounts by working in one of your account's sandboxes. Your brother, in no circumstances, should be using your account to do things or have access to your account in any way. This is prohibited under Wikipedia's policies on user accounts. Please have him create a new account for himself so that you two are in compliance with Wikipedia's policies and Terms of Use. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:52, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Tim I should clarify that when I said he was editing my Sandbox version and offering me recommendations, it meant that when I had made changes to my rough draft in Sandbox, I then hit "Preview" copied the content and emailed it to him in a Word.doc and he would tell me what he thinks. Sometimes, for the sake of discussing the html, I would send him the "Edit" version pasted on a Word.doc. So he wasn't in the site itself as he was working with me.

He's a retired English teacher, in his 70s, and was a professional writer after he taught. And he was a Wikipedia member in 2010 which is why I was asking him for some help, but doesn't know if his membership is still valid.

And to add to that, as it refers to your comments, I am 69 and retired as well, and am no longer involved in anything mentioned in the article, so this article ISN'T promotional or an advertisement for business, because I retired from the business, or any business. It is just a FACTUAL 3rd party review of what I did.

So I would like to get back on track and find out what needs to be changed. A Flaneur (talk) 00:19, 13 April 2021 (UTC) A Flaneur (talk) 00:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@A Flaneur: So, to paraphrase your answer to Oshwah's question with precision, you say that your brother has not had physical access to your account, not been logged in as you.

That does not explain your statement here For the record I am not the above person. This is a firm, assertive, definite statement, one that elicited an aoplogy from me for considering that you were Goodden until I checked historical conversations, wholly suggestive of one of two options:

• That the person making that statement had control of your account, and was you, the real Randall Lee Goodden
• That the person making that statement had control of your account and was not the real Randall Lee Goodden

Neither of those two options is particuarly appetising.

I wonder if you would care to offer commentray upon that? Fiddle Faddle 07:19, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

When I opened the account I wanted to remain anonymous and submit everything from a 3rd person perspective, as required, and just as I did. When certain Editors see you wrote about yourself, they tend to instantly say "it's all promotional and a big advertisement for you" and don't accept it. Then when you submit it under a different name, they think you're paying someone to write it for you, and take off from another perspective because they're against that too. It appears to be a no-win situation either way. Yet Wikipedia encourages authors to write the articles themselves.

So I did not expect an Editor to ask me if it was really me. Why did that even need to be known? Discussion should just be about content regardless of who the author is. So I said it wasn't me in order to maintain my anonymity, as I felt it really didn't matter and the fact there was even a question being asked was for negative reasons. And then I gave in and said it is me, because we were beating it to death.

There's no reason for my brother to have to log-in to the account, because I email him drafts of what I wrote when I want his opinion. And he does not have my log-in information anyway and he's not even interested in Wikipedia and tried to discourage me from even pursuing this.

So can we move on now and continue to review what was submitted, from a non-bias 3rd person perspective? Or would you recommend that I ask Wikipedia to assign me a different Editor because it is becoming apparent you don't want to work with me?

Randall A Flaneur (talk) 13:31, 13 April 2021 (UTC) A Flaneur (talk) 15:39, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

A Flaneur Wikipedia has assigned no-one to you. You requested a review. Two of us reviewed the original draft at once and viewed it as not suitable. We are each independent of each other and of WIkipedia. We are not directed in any manner by anyone at all. To be fair, no-one will miss me or them if we go away for a few years.

An experienced reviewer can spot unusual circumstances a long way off.

One thing that you seem not to have understood is that Wikipedia is a volunteer project, a hobby. Those of us who love it protect it from WP:COI. It was immediately obvious that you had one. The thing was to determne what that was. It is apparent that you are not a paid editor and are simply choosing the rather difficult thing of writing about yourself, albeit with some inconsistent statements allmg the way. ALmost all autobiographers learn very quickly that they are notable to those who love them, respect them for their many attributes, but not necessarily to Wikipedia's standards for inclusion

I will let Oshwah determine whether you are editing within the rules. They have a wide experience here, and have chosen the difficult route of selection by the community to become a project administrator. The only privilege that confers on them is to be a janitor here.

Now, with regard to the draft, when you submit it a reviewer will review it, wholly on its merits. I almost never review drafts a second time, that will not be me. Indeed, I recuse myself formally from reviewing it, though I have no need to do so.

My objective is to keep Wikipedia's standards high. That ranges from reviewing drafts, to editing poor articles, to proposing items for deletion, to reviewing uploads for licencing compliance and more. I also write new articles from time to time. I am sure, if I can show myself that you pass WP:GNG I could, should I choose, write an article about you includkng relevant segments of your professional life. It's pretty easy to do if someone passes. Some time ago I wrote One of many essays about article creation. That is my method.

Please do not keep starting new sections here. Please reply in the same thread. This keeps conversations together Fiddle Faddle 15:44, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Tim "I also write new articles from time to time. I am sure, if I can show myself that you pass WP:GNG I could, should I choose, write an article about you includkng relevant segments of your professional life. It's pretty easy to do if someone passes".

So are you offering to write the article?

Randy — Preceding unsigned comment added by A Flaneur (talk • contribs) 17:38, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@A Flaneur I teach fishing rather than donating fish. Fiddle Faddle 18:05, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

This is the only article I'll ever do, so there's no future benefit for me in learning, except if it can help get this one accepted. Then I'll be done.

Randy A Flaneur (talk) 20:51, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@A Flaneur I wish you well with that endeavour. Fiddle Faddle 21:01, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Yerala_River

Hello,

It is interchangeably used by the locals and government bodies. The native name of this river is येरळा (In Marathi)(some time it spelled as Yerla and some time Yerala) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arunaoap07 (talk • contribs) 09:37, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@Arunaoap07 Thank you. With that information I have been able to accept it, and also find a corresponding entry in Cebuano, from where you will be able to extract map, infobox etc. This assumes it to be the same river! Fiddle [[User talk:Timtrent|Faddle</