Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brian Timpone (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Vaticidalprophet 20:20, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Timpone

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You know it's a bad sign when a biography does not contain a single reference that names the subject by name. The article was redirected in 2013 (following Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brian Timpone) to LocalLabs, that article was in turn deleted in 2016 after Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LocalLabs. In 2019 the biography was recreated, and LL article now directs here, but this biography seems like an attempt to recreat the LL article, as half of the lead is about what his company/companies do. Overall, the biography is impressive (reasonably well research), but it seems to have issues with WP:OR/WP:SYNTH, as WP:SIGCOV. The latter means that it is hard to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline nor the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (biographies) requirement. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. All that said, given the recent coverage like [1], [2] a case could be made that this might be rewritten back into an article about his company, network or the controversy they generated. I think there is something notable here, and his name would make a valid redirect there - wherever that would be, as I am not sure right now. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:03, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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PS. I will ping editors involved in the past discussions of this topic: @GeoffreyT2000, Bernice Mosley, HighKing, ApolloLee, Allisoncornish, and DGG:. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:04, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Meets the general notability guideline and the notability guideline for biographies with significant coverage in independent, reliable secondary sources, including but not limited to the following ones already cited in the article:
1. "As Local News Dies, a Pay-for-Play Network Rises in Its Place" from The New York Times (RSP entry): 37 mentions of "Timpone"
2. "Hundreds of 'pink slime' local news outlets are distributing algorithmic stories and conservative talking points" from the Columbia Journalism Review: 14 mentions of "Timpone"
3. "Journatic worker takes 'This American Life' inside outsourced journalism" from the Poynter Institute: 11 mentions of "Timpone"

Article content does not determine notability, so if you have suggestions for improving the article, please propose them at Talk:Brian Timpone. — Newslinger talk 07:13, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Newslinger, CTRL+F for his name is not a great metric as some content in the articles is about " Brian Timpone’s brother, Michael Timpone", a CEO of one the relevant companies. All those articles are about the company/network, and while there is some discussion of the subject, is it not the main focus of the articles. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:22, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The 37 mentions of "Timpone" in the New York Times article and the 11 mentions of "Timpone" in the Poynter Institute article are all referring to Brian Timpone, since Michael Timpone is not mentioned in these articles at all. 13 of the 14 mentions of "Timpone" in the Columbia Journalism Review article are about Brian Timpone; only one is about Michael Timpone. I am struggling to understand your claim that the "biography does not contain a single reference that names the subject by name", when there are 61 mentions of Brian Timpone in these three articles alone, not including the use of the "he", "his", and "him" pronouns.
The assertion that "while there is some discussion of the subject, is it not the main focus of the articles" is inaccurate and severely understates the amount of coverage the articles dedicate to Brian Timpone and his work. Timpone is notable for his work in media, which—according to the reliable sources cited in the Brian Timpone article—has been conducted under a number of company names, including Local Government Information Services (LGIS), Metric Media, Franklin Archer, Locality Labs (formerly known as Journatic and LocalLabs), DirecTech LLC, Interactive Content Services, Newsinator, Blockshopper, and The Record Inc. Many of these companies are not notable on their own, but as an article subject, Brian Timpone has exceeded the requirements in WP:GNG and WP:BASIC by receiving significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources that specifically describe his role in these companies in depth. — Newslinger talk 04:11, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. — Newslinger talk 06:46, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. There are sufficient sources. As Newslinger says, he meets WP:SIGCOV, even if the individual companies don't meet it. tedder (talk) 23:01, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 22:48, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 02:22, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. There seems to be substantial RS coverage of this individual. While most of it isn't about the subject's character, the actions that he's doing and the companies he's creating and being associated with have merited RS coverage. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 23:38, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep because of substantial coverage, but I would also refer his sites to WP:RSN for assessment under WP:RSP. --Minoa (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I have long been an advocate of keeping BLPs of powerful people. Bearian (talk) 01:21, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.