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Robert J. Vezina

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Rolling the dice and taking my chances... Hugely promotional piece of peacockery (written by a paid editor, and it shows!) on a person of at best borderline notability. There are sources, yes, but lest we forget, even solid sources (and I'm not saying these are necessarily solid, even if they are many) only raise the presumption of notability; they don't guarantee it. Given that AfD is not cleanup, I did first think of cutting out all the promo fluff and trimming this down to its essence only, but TBH I'm not sure quite what if anything would remain. Fails WP:BIO, and in my view fails also WP:GNG. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:46, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete with impunity. I'd never heard of him before, but many of the things mentioned in the article are local and familiar. He's a successful local businessman with some local newspaper coverage. There's nothing notable here by our standards. The accomplishments are nothing spectacular. The puffery, on the other hand is spectacular. I think the very highest standard of notability has to be applied here, as he's a former PR professional, presumably with access to people who publish sources. All coverage seems to be either local or not independent, and all quite banal. --- Possibly (talk) 06:04, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I tagged this for notability having read it three times to try and identify what exactly would make the subject notable. I’m still not clear. The article looks like PR based on sources which are also based on PR. The subject has a successful career in pr and event management but there’s really nothing here to warrant a bio article. Mccapra (talk) 08:20, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete that's a roll of a six-sided set of sixes, right there. Fails GNG, may even pass G11. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:30, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. The person's accomplishments do not make him notable. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 10:23, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
discussion Is it absolutely necessary to be so unpleasant ? I have copy-pasted here this traduction of the French article thinking that the admissibility was similar (at least 2 national centered sources on at least 2 differents years). La Presse and The Gazette are considered as national sources on the French Wikipedia.
I understand that each Wikipedia have their own rules and I'll accept your jugement here, but there's pillars and I am especting that you'll respect the fourth one. Simon Villeneuve (talk) 14:15, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see anyone being unpleasant above. Perhaps you're viewing their comments on the subject and article through the lens of your COI? Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:52, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You're kidding me? Hugely promotional piece of peacockery (written by a paid editor, and it shows!), The accomplishments are nothing spectacular. The puffery, on the other hand is spectacular. , G11. Don't need COI glasses to smell all the contempt here, even with my bad English. Simon Villeneuve (talk) 18:20, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

With respect, when you embark upon writing, for money, promo pieces on people of questionable notability, you really ought to expect some fairly robust pushback; don't you think? Best, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:56, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

promo pieces on people of questionable notability that is your PoV.
As I said, I think that there's a lot of good sources about this person. If you can't assume good faith and just want to see that I'm a paid editor writing a piece of promo, even if I have created thousands of bio and I've been paid for about 5 of them, is your choice. Personnaly, I think that it is you who have anti-paid-editing glasses, that you can't make the difference between a promo and a bio where all informations are no more and no less than facts sourced by independant sources. Yes, it didn't put in light the fail of the personnality, but if someone want to add it with independant sources, nobody will fight it. But this is also a PoV.
The problem here is your denigration of my work. It don't respect one of the pillars of the project. It create a straw man of my work and me and divert the discussion on feelings and not on facts. We can't juge an article with things like "I've never heard of him before".
I think that the main question is : "do there's good sources about this person and do the article cite them correctly". Simon Villeneuve (talk) 12:20, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Puff piece on non-notable figure Dexxtrall (talk) 15:23, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]