Talk:2021 Samoan general election

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Data regarding Infobox

I see that the data for the ‘seats before the election’ in the infobox was removed. Would it not be useful to have that information along with the data regarding the seat count from the previous election? On the 2020 New Zealand election page, the main infobox includes both the data for the seats before election and the data for seats won from the previous election. I think it would be useful for people readers to know about the seat count prior to the election. For example, the Human Rights Protection Party won 35 seats in the 2016 Samoan election, but upon the dissolution of Parliament this party had 44 seats.

--N Panama 84534 (talk) 23:34, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I don't think so. The 'seats before' parameter seems to confuse people into thinking the seat change figure should use this instead of the previous election. However, it should be explained in the prose that this was the case, perhaps in a 'Background' section that details what happened since the previous election.

Also, I noticed you just changed the seats total for the HRPP to 25 in the results table, but left it as 24 in the infobox. The text in the results section mentions two independents but there is only one in the table... Cheers, Number 5 7 00:36, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Results

I've attached here the data I've used to determine the official results from this election. Couple of things to note:

The Electoral Commission removed all information regarding the official results of this election on Facebook and on their website (after a revamp) but except on Twitter, for now. Thankfully the government website managed to keep it up.
The official number of registered voters were provided in a Facebook post by the ruling HRPP here. It is important to note that all the figures in the said post are correct except for the deliberate attempt by the ruling party to take away votes from FAST and include it in their figure (the sum of the total votes in the HRPP post of both FAST and HRPP are the same as the sum that I've calculated on the spreadsheet).
The invalid votes correspond to the total informal votes cast in every constituencies.

The spreadsheet. Kirill.alx (talk) 12:16, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How is this not massively original research? The only cited source in the article doesn't even show party affiliations of the candidates from which a summation could be made (which itself would be OR). Mewulwe (talk) 09:33, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Mewulwe: Would the following links be sufficient, in your view, as sources for these results:

If these do not meet the criteria, let me know and guide me. Kirill.alx (talk) 02:17, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

These are proper sources individually, but the combination is non-trivial, highly error-prone, and extremely tedious for anyone to verify. Alas, that kind of OR has become standard for many election results. Mewulwe (talk) 09:32, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well if one has a single source for all of these, be my guest. Otherwise, we're stuck with what we've got. I've already mentioned on the very top the reasoning as to how I've ended up with these. Extremely tedious and highly error-prone as it may be, let's face it: not all countries have a single compiled election results like the Netherlands or some other countries out there. Kirill.alx (talk) 21:53, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move back to 2021 Samoan general election

Since the Supreme Court has just cancelled the planned May 2021 election rerun, I've requested that this be moved back to 2021 Samoan general election. Jpatokal (talk) 03:58, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 18 May 2021

The request to rename this article to 2021 Samoan general election has been carried out.

If the page title has consensus, be sure to close this discussion using {{subst:RM top|'''page moved'''.}} and {{subst:RM bottom}} and remove the {{Requested move/dated|…}} tag, or replace it with the {{subst:Requested move/end|…}} tag.

April 2021 Samoan general election → 2021 Samoan general election – The Supreme Court has canceled previously planned May 2021 elections, meaning that there will only be one election this year Jpatokal (talk) 03:56, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). IdiotSavant (talk) 06:02, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: I'd suggest waiting for the appeals and petitions to be settled before doing that. But also, whoever forms a government is likely to have a wafer-thin majority. I'd hate to have to go through all the hassle of another move and fixing references, only to have to do it all again a few months later.--IdiotSavant (talk) 06:02, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The decision came from the Supreme Court, so there are no further appeals possible. Since the May 2021 article can safely be deleted (it's quite clearly not going to happen), there's no point retaining the now useless "April" disambiguation in the name, and it's not our job to start forecasting the future of Samoan politics. Jpatokal (talk) 08:08, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support, per Jpatokal's reasoning. Worse comes to worst, the name can be changed again. Tyrone Madera (talk) 23:37, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'd hold off until the latest round of appeals are finished, but if the decision is the second election is cancelled, it should be moved. It's not really much hassle to do this and can be done by WP:RM/TR or by asking an admin. Number 5 7 08:18, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What appeals are you referring to? These decisions were made by the Supreme Court, which is the final authority, and the second elections were already cancelled. Jpatokal (talk) 02:00, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Suggest waiting, but wouldn't oppose a bold change of the disambiguation page to a redirect. May be worth merging the May (now "Next") article with the April article as well, and changing its redirect target. CMD (talk) 09:24, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment As what Number 57 says. Kirill.alx (talk) 02:02, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment per Number 57 --Vacant0 (talk) 20:33, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now' looking at the Supreme Court of Samoa it clearly states that its decision can be appealed to Court of Appeal of Samoa meaning the highest court in the county hasn’t ruled yet. It’s similar to how the New York Court of Appeals is actually a higher court than the New York Supreme Court.--65.92.163.98 (talk) 02:29, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]