Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss Teenage California

Miss Teenage California

Non-notable state pageant. This articles is basically an advertisement for the competition (the author has been adding links all over the show) and is not notable in itself - there is a national competition but that in itself is not notable on the scale that Miss USA and Miss America system pageants are notable (is not nationally televised etc). Note that there are two similar but far more important pageants... the most important being Miss California Teen USA, the other being Miss California's Outstanding Teen (in its infancy but a MAO pageant nonetheless) -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 22:08, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing of an "ad nature" in the article. The address of the production company, phone number are not even mentioned. Everything contained in the article is FACTUAL. "Esperanza" seems to think that simply because one girl goes to a nationally televised pageant it suddenly adds credence to the system. I beg to differ. Look at the website, study the prizes being awarded, the history of the event as the facts do indeed speak for themselves.

Non-notable state pageant? Miss Teenage California annually has over 200 contestants from every corner of the state. By comparison Miss California Teen USA has between 45-75. You also may wish to check out the prize differences. Our program has existed since 1980 and is the largest teen scholarship pageant in the nation.

Comment The Miss California Teen USA pageant has dozens of local feeder pageants. Those 45-75 entrants were all winners of local or county pageants, which totalled many thousands of entrants. The winner of that pageant will go on to the nationally televised Miss Teen USA pageant. Your contestants will go where? There is no comparison between the two. Fan-1967 23:04, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You need to check your facts. The Miss California USA Pageant and teen division NOW have very, very few local preliminary pageants. It is almost entirely at-large. If one is to make verbost statements, please back up with fact. Years ago the pageant had several local pageants. The pageant is now almost entirely at-large with few exceptions.

Comment And just a note, "Miss California Teen USA" turns up 4x the ghits of "Miss Teenage California" (and the fact that the Miss CA Teen USA title is often incorrectly termed means that there should be even more). -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 23:09, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article has been redesigned, hopefully to your satisfaction. Thank you.

Delete The remaining difficulty is notability. There are no references on this article. Forget google count - there are some google hits that seem to describe this pagent - but these all seem to be blogs and the like. What would help is providing multiple non trivial reliable sources, such as an LA Times article on this pagent or something similar.Obina 23:43, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Esperanza had mentioned in response earlier, that their are other " far more important pageants", and she gave reference to both Miss California Teen USA and California's Outstanding Teenager. While I'm willing to update and change information for suitablity I take som offense to these remarks simply because they are not based in fact. Here are the facts. The Miss Teenage California Pageant was founded in 1980. Miss California Teen USA some years thereafter and the California's Outstanding Teen Pageant is only two years old. These are facts. More facts? The winner of the California's Outstanding Teen Pageant won a $1,500 college scholarship. Our winner receives a $10,000 college scholarship and $5,000 cash. The Miss California Teen USA winner receives very little in comparison to our state winner. Both of the other mentioned pageants that Esperanza notes, do not offer substantial college scholarships to their runners-up. It is a fact our 4th runner up at Miss Teenage California receives more than the winner of the Ca. Outstanding Teen Pageant. I would further go on to state that someone who wishes for me to provide "reliable sources" does not even know how to spell the word "pageant" correctly.

I wish for someone to be exact in the criticism of input, as EVERYTHING mentioned is factual. What more do you need?— 24.23.51.248 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletions. -- SkierRMH 02:01, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

24.23.51.248 please do not delete other user's comments on this page, especially the AfD summary. -- Kesh 03:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - This article provides no verifiable sources to establish notability. - Shaundakulbara 04:54, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The definition of "notability" is vague at best, and doesn't constitute basic facts that exist in the text. Wikipedia needs to do a better job in explaining this. It's rather "wordy" diatribe hardly makes it easier for the layman to contribute.