User talk:Bkhd12

July 2020

Hello, I'm Mattythewhite. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Joe Willock, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Use of unreliable source. Mattythewhite (talk) 12:10, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

August 2020

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Dani Ceballos, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been reverted. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use your sandbox for that. Thank you. Mattythewhite (talk) 23:12, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Updating caps and stats

Hello, I'm Robby.is.on. Welcome to Wikipedia! I just wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions were not quite right. When updating statistics within the infobox of a footballer, please make sure you update the timestamp at the same time, so that both readers and fellow editors know when the information was last updated.

You can do this by replacing the existing timestamp within the |club-update= or |pcupdate= parameter for club stats, or the |nationalteam-update= or |ntupdate= parameter for international stats. For articles that use a DMY date format, use five tildes (~~~~~), or for MDY dates, use {{subst:mdytime}}. This will generate the specific time the update was made.

If you have any questions about this, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you, Robby.is.on (talk) 11:29, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wenger

Per WP:LEAD, "Because the lead will usually repeat information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material." The lead is ought to be short and concise, hence reverted changes. Lemonade51 (talk) 11:44, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've edited the lead to be 4 paragraphs. I disagree about the citations as articles such as for example Sir Alex Ferguson doesn't follow it. Thanks for your feedback Bkhd12 (talk) 15:35, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

SAF's article did not go through GA checks, hence why I reverted the changes and I'm confident if it eventually does go through GAC or FAC, the lead would need to be worked on. Wenger's article did, hence why I reverted it to something closer to when it met the criteria. In my opinion, we don't need superfluous statements to pad out the lead such as 'often considered the greatest manager...'; his achievements speak for itself -- 'His contribution to English football through changes to scouting, players' training, and diet regimens revitalised Arsenal and aided the globalisation of the sport in the 21st century.'. There is a 'plaudits' section too. If you feel strongly about citations/info missing on lead, I'd suggest raising it on WT:FOOTY or the article's talk page. Lemonade51 (talk) 09:18, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. The claims are cited, and aren't definitive in nature. Moreover, the lead should give an instant introduction to the subject. If a new reader were to read it with & without, the revised lead gives a better understanding of the topic. I wouldn't call it superfluous rather essential knowledge to best understand Wenger's career & impact. I appreciate your contribution and I hope we can find a resolution to this. Bkhd12 (talk) 09:37, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just because the claims are cited does not mean it is appropriate to place them in the lead; avoid WP:CITEKILL. Moreover there are statements that aren't backed up or fleshed out in the body of the text, such as "He is often commended for being one of the major catalysts of the success of Arsenal's Hale End youth academy." Commended by whom? That looks like it was crammed in there for no reason. I'm not sure why you have removed the fact he is Arsenal's most successful and longest-serving manager, a bigger and arguably more valuable achievement than winning the most FA Cups or managing the most Premier League matches (he wouldn't have won the cup or managed as many league matches without being at Arsenal in the first place). "He is often considered as one of the greatest managers of all time," again, let the lead speak for itself. These statements wouldn't need citations if this is reflected in the body of the text (like Messi or Ronaldo's pages), which it isn't. Now if that was 'most influential', then you'd have a point. Lemonade51 (talk) 18:50, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]