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Hohhot No.2 Middle School

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Run of the mill middle school/junior secondary school. Redirect turned back into a non notable article. Middle schools are not automatically notable. No specific claims to notability. No reliable independent sources. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:03, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:03, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The editor, Kudpung (from England), is using his position and personal bias towards Inner Mongolia and China by marking this page for deletion. Hohhot No.2 high school is the most notable one in Inner Mongolia. If the editor’s argument were true, that will automatically qualify the deletion of hundreds of England high schools from Wikipedia. Kudpung is also racially biased in his communication with me. If he can dominate Wikipedia in a way already shown like this, I will advise my American and Chinese colleagues not to trust a word on Wikipedia, especially those edited by him. For example, he edited a page Hanley Castle High School, which is not a selective school. But Hohhot No.2 high school is more famous and more selective in Inner Mongolia. In Kudpung's view, any England middle school is superior than the notable high schools elsewhere in the world? Does English speaking people have the right to understand the world?

I have added references about "key school of Inner Mongolia and news reports in China". If you can Goolge translate Chinese, please go ahead and verify the sources! Liusine (talk) 11:28, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Below is a snapshot of the messages that Kudpung left on my page, and my response. Please tell us who is more civil?Liusine (talk) 11:28, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Information icon Hello, I'm Kudpung. I noticed that you made a comment that didn't seem very civil, so it may have been removed. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:53, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi, as a professor in England how much do you know about Hohhot and Inner Mongolia? Did you show any civil manner when removing other high school’s Wikipedia file? Gentlemen, may I say that your comments just show your bias and discrimination towards Mongolians and Chinese ? Liusine (talk) 05:40, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Hohhot No.2 Middle School for deletion A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Hohhot No.2 Middle School is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted. The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hohhot No.2 Middle School until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines. Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:03, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:37, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:37, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:37, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

redirect. It seems like the sort of place that could be notable, but is lacking any evidence of notability. As I write the only sources are to the school's web site, to a local government web site, and to another wiki, so a mix of primary and tertiary sources. Nothing in it indicates why it's notable, and absent reliable secondary sources better to redirect it until sources are found. --2A00:23C8:4583:9F01:D5B7:AB98:CEF7:8F13 (talk) 11:42, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please note: this is a PUBLIC SCHOOL, meaning it's affiliated to the local government. So the webpage on the Inner Mongolia government's website is the official recognition of the "key school" (notable) status. Liusine (talk) 11:55, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

redirect - clearly no indication of notability of this primary school. Even though the article incorrectly states that it is a high school, all 3 current references make clear that this is a middle school. Not nearly enough in-depth coverage to pass WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:57, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See the first reference "12 key middle schools in Inner Mongolia became the excellent student base of Nankai University". The graduates directly go to Universities (e.g. a very notable univerity Nankai University). So this is a "high school". Please translate carefully before making inadequate judgements like the one above. Liusine (talk) 12:08, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- It's a secondary school rather than a primary school. I think the "middle school" comes from a mistranslation of 中学, which China uses for secondary/high schools. But it's a high school: in the logo at the top of most pages of the school's website it calls itself "HOHHOT NO. 2 HIGH SCHOOL".--2A00:23C8:4583:9F01:D5B7:AB98:CEF7:8F13 (talk) 12:14, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@ 2A00:23C8:4583:9F01:D5B7:AB98:CEF7:8F13 Agreed. It should be HOHHOT NO. 2 HIGH SCHOOL (the US naming convention). Initially it was written as "high school" on Wiki. But someone changed it... In China, 高级中学=senior middle school or high school; 初级中学=junior middle school. Liusine (talk) 12:37, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The sourcing in media is fairly bare, but there is enough academic research, combined with this article about the school being top 100 in China to meet WP:NSCHOOL:
- "呼和浩特市第二中学东校区绿化树种选择及分析--《内蒙古林业》2018年10期". www.cnki.com.cn. Retrieved 2021-10-14.
- "中考体育加试对体育课程教学的影响——以呼和浩特市第二中学为例--《青少年日记(教育教学研究)》2017年02期". www.cnki.com.cn. Retrieved 2021-10-14.
- "呼和浩特市第二中学图书管理系统的设计与开发--《内蒙古师范大学》2008年硕士论文". cdmd.cnki.com.cn. Retrieved 2021-10-14.
- "呼和浩特市第二中学学生信息素养的调查研究--《内蒙古师范大学》2007年硕士论文". cdmd.cnki.com.cn. Retrieved 2021-10-14.

Jumpytoo Talk 18:23, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Jumpytoo Thanks a lot for providing these secondary sources from academic research! They are reliable and independent.

Keep @ All others, reliable secondary sources have been found, thanks to @Jumpytoo's findings! Please come to update your previous votes and verify these sources using google translate or Chrome browser translate. To some editor like Kudpung, you can consult with some professor colleagues specialized in East Asian language/culture if you do not have accurate translations. Isn't it widely advocated to adopt Diversity and Inclusion practices in US universities (also some UK universities)? Hohhot No.2 is the top one in Inner Mongolia, which is a huge province in China with many ethic minorities. Liusine (talk) 01:46, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm sorry I cannot change my !vote as the reasons for it still apply. The above are not good references. The first e.g. is (according to Apple's translation tool) "Selection and Analysis of Greening Tree Species in the East Campus of Hohhot Second Middle School". I.e. it is an agricultural/horticultural study carried out at the school. But there is nothing special or remarkable about that. Studies often are done at schools, to engage the students, as students make good subjects (they don't need to be paid or recruited), or as staff are interested. Or all of the above. There's a small army of academic researchers who carry out such studies, touching pretty much every school at some point. I.e. they don't establish notability for me.--2A00:23C8:4583:9F01:D5B7:AB98:CEF7:8F13 (talk) 02:17, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The user:Liusine is extremely misinformed (and very impolite). I am not a 'profressor in England', not do I hold any 'position' on Wikipedia. I was however, always a staunch advocate in keeping articles about high schools. Following years of wrangling, a community consensus decided that primary and junior secondary schools are not notable simply because they exist. And that's the 'position' I maintain. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:33, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Good to learn that your are not a 'professor in England'. That makes you less authoritative :) Based on your judgements and comments, you sound like a senior conservative gentlemen in UK, proud to include a UK top 100 school Hanley Castle High School while trying to delete a top 1 high school in Inner Mongolia, China. Do you have problems with Mongolians/Chinese or cannot admit to be simply xenophobic??Liusine (talk) 03:19, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@ 2A00:23C8:4583:9F01:D5B7:AB98:CEF7:8F13 Hi, I suspect you are Kudpung's other accounts (on his personal page; he has several accounts as an editor). You clearly ignored the fact the Hohhot No.2 is a High School. Did you translate the main content of those references? Peer reviewed academic journal articles are reliable 2ndary sources. Liusine (talk) 02:57, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@ Kudpung , Hi, please stop posting on my personal pages. I don't welcome your talking to others on my page. Please come over here! Show that you are UNBIASED! Stop abusing the power as an editor and DO NOT show any racially based judgments/biases. For example, you edited Hanley Castle High School which is a non-selective UK school. Sources claim that it is a top 100 UK school, while the sources I listed prove that Hohhot No.2 High School is top 100 high school in China. Since China has 20 times the population of UK, the Hanley Castle High School is about top 2000 high schools in China. Does that still sound notable to you? Do NOT challenge Chinese K12 education qualities.

Besides, the listed 2nary sources show that Hohhot No.2 Middle School has both junior and senior middle schools, and senior middle school=high school in China (the graduates directly go to colleges). Again, Kudpung intentionally ignored multiple evidences and do not even bother to translate the abstract/texts of the references! As an editor, you have to stay neutral and you DO NOT have the right to vote as 2A00:23C8:4583:9F01:D5B7:AB98:CEF7:8F13! Liusine (talk) 02:57, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The full studies are behind a paywall so no, I had mostly or only the title to go on. And no, I am not Kudpung, and I ask you to withdraw that accusation and your attacks on him. Personal attacks are not constructive, and if kept up will likely see you blocked.--2A00:23C8:4583:9F01:D5B7:AB98:CEF7:8F13 (talk) 03:19, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]