Talk:Hip hop music

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Disagree on the golden age. Golden age of hip-hop was 1988 to 1994 and that's pretty much consensus and has been for a long time now. 86 and 87 were not great years, and you can't count 95-97 because the game skill was in decline by that time. After 1994, the rhyme skill decline began and the over-commercialization machine was activated. Sure, we still had a lot of great acts compared to today, but those who know the art of rhyming could tell the music started to decline in skill gradually from that point forward. By 2000, unskilled rhymers like Nelly were dominating and hip-hop never recovered.

Also, I consider 2010-present the "Tight Pants Era" since it perfectly captures everything wrong with hip-hop today as well as appropriately shaming it for what it's become: Tight feminine clothes on the male rappers. Wack, unclever lyrics from 99.99999% of mainstream rappers, poor technical skills from many, and the listeners too brain dead to notice the issue. It's been an incredibly weird, incredibly wack time with no end in sight. ---- The Rhyme Critic

"FRENCH HIP-HOP"(Second Largest Hip-Hop market after the United States)

French Hip Hop was started by "Sidney Duteil". Sidney Duteil, better known as Sidney, is a French musician, rapper, DJ, television and radio host, and occasional actor of Guadeloupe origin, an island in the Caribbean. He is well known in France for his connection with the beginnings of the French hip hop scene. He presented a hip hop radio program on Radio 7 from 1982. In 1984, he was the host of the popular weekly French Rap television show entitled H.I.P. H.O.P., it was France's first television show and first regular nationwide weekly show in the world to be dedicated to the hip hop culture. It was broadcast each Sunday afternoon on the French national channel TF1 in 1984, from January 14, for 43 weeks, which had a certain impact on the beginnings of the French hip hop scene. They had guests such as Herbie Hancock on February 19, Sugarhill Gang, Kurtis Blow, Afrika Bambaataa, The Rock Steady Crew, Art of Noise or Madonna and graffiti artists such as Futura 2000. This was significant for two reasons: first because Duteil became the first Black man in France to hold such a position, and secondly because the birth and eventual popularity of the weekly show demonstrated the growing admiration and involvement in the French population in hip hop culture - TazzoThaboss — Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.254.157.18 (talk) 11:18, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Jamaican toasting wasn't the origin of hip hop; liking a theory isn't enough; no data supports the claim

Study probablity theory. Most of the time people mimic others, but they can also discover something alone because we all play and examine the abilities of the same body and find tricks. The primitive homo sapiens invented something resembling hip hop; not modern humans. If you claim that primitive people immediately knew how to sing opera you are a lier. Rhythm is more ancient than tonal theory and tonal control! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:4107:F900:293B:C3B7:DAC7:1C91 (talk) 03:21, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

2Pac

2Pac is nowhere to be found in the Overview. This seems to be a massive oversight and glaring omission, in any overview of the general history of hip hop music covering the West Coast in the 1990s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:827F:EAD8:E938:9D40:4A18:8C9C (talk) 09:31, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Origin

Hip Hop was created by African American and Latino Americans in urban communities of the Bronx. Not only African Americans. There’s proof of this in history. The page needs to be edited correctly. Heribertovelazqueziii (talk) 21:40, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Hip Hop music wasnt created by Latinos at all. There is proof is this. Hip Hop was created by Rudy Ray Moore aka the Godfather of Hip Hop who is not Latino but African American. He created it in the late 60s and early 70s. The same man who would be known as Dolemite and he didn't do it in the Bronx at all. All the first rappers credit him as their influence and the creator of the genre. Try again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musiccreed01 (talk • contribs) 18:57, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Latinos simply IMITATED what the neighboring blacks were doing. They had nothing to do with Hip Hop's origins. 4.59.43.82 (talk) 21:57, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Hip hop music was mainly created by African Americans and Afro-American Carribeans therefore they should be credited for it, Latino contribution to Hip Hop is limited. Hip hop is directly influenced by Reggae Music that comes from Jamaica. Besides that it is African Americans that have contributed in making it the art form it is today. Fjnplbv (talk) 09:27, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Exactly. Always trying to steal our contributions. Give credit to where its due. Hip hop itself was created by a black american man named Rudy Ray Moore. Dj Kool Herc and more have credited the man as being the creator and their biggest influences. The man Dolemite who they did a tribute for and so many times through out the old videos and interviews to the new they stated Rudy Ray Moore created hip Hop.

Regarding the 2010s in hip hop

This decade has been absolutely massive for the genre, which has grown to dominate charts, popular culture, and internet culture in its place of origin, the United States, while enjoying breakout success globally as an export and in local forms. Rap features prominently in modern pop music and has seen notable crossover into electronic, alternative, and even country music. However, as of this writing the article fails to capture hip hop's place of importance in today's zeitgeist, save for a note mentioning that hip hop became the most popular genre in 2017.

With the 2010s drawing to a close, interested editors ought to overhaul this section, maybe with the assistance of decade end retrospectives as they begin showing up on music and culture websites.

--Adifex (talk) 01:50, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Birth year of hip-hop: 1973

Would August 11, 1973 be considered the official birthdate of hip-hop since that's when DJ Kool Herc first introduced a method of hip-hop djing at a party in The Bronx? A lot of news sources covered it such as the History Channel, Google Doodle, Complex Magazine, etc. A lot of hip-hop artists also consider that the birthdate too. TrackerMercurial136 (talk) 05:24, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 November 2019

Why is there that mid-title "Teargarden and Oceania" in the middle of the east-coast west-coast rivalry part??? 92.184.110.100 (talk) 09:39, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

I have no idea, but I've removed it. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 14:53, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2020

Hello, there is some misinformation on the hip hop portion of the page that needs to be edited. The problem is in the beginning of the page. It misplaced that Latinos also created hip hop which this isn't true at all. Hip Hop was created by black american people and the black man instrumental in creating hip hop didn't come from Bronx, NY and wasn't in Bronx, NY when it was created. Actor and musician Rudy Ray Moore is regarded and confirmed as the creator of Hop Hop. Saying this takes the full contributions of black Americans and place a whole other group who didn't create the genre in taking credit which wasn't earned or given credit that isn't true. I can post links and more confirming my facts. I would like for the Latino portion to be removed from the top as the creator because its inaccurate. Latinos, like other groups, partook and partake in hip hop but did not influence its creation at all.

UPDATE WITH SOURCES:

Hello, this is me again. Here are some reliable sources fortelling that Hip Hop was only created by black americans and not latinos at all. That Rudy Ray Moore aka a black american man actually created hip hop.

https://time.com/5711219/dolemite-is-my-name-rudy-ray-moore-legacy/

https://www.biography.com/news/who-was-rudy-ray-moore-godfather-of-rap-dolemite

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95935377

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/22/movies/22moore.html

https://www.dia.org/events/origins-hip-hop-dolemite

Thank You for your time. Musiccreed01 (talk) 18:40, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Majavah ^(t/c) 18:42, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, this is me again. Here are some reliable sources proving that Hip Hop was only created by black americans and not latinos at all. That Rudy Ray Moore aka a black american man actually created hip hop.

https://time.com/5711219/dolemite-is-my-name-rudy-ray-moore-legacy/

https://www.biography.com/news/who-was-rudy-ray-moore-godfather-of-rap-dolemite

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95935377

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/22/movies/22moore.html

https://www.dia.org/events/origins-hip-hop-dolemite

Reliable evidence HAS been posted, and it is MUCH MORE reliable then the sole opinion piece citation that calls for Latino inclusion in the origins of Hip Hop. 4.59.43.82 (talk) 22:04, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2020

Hello, this is me again. Here are some reliable sources that you've requested that Hip Hop was only created by black americans and not latinos at all. That Rudy Ray Moore aka Dolemite aka a black american man actually created hip hop. I request that the latino american word be taken down as creators of hip hop when they had no influence in its creation and later partook in the genre, like other groups, after it was created and nothing more.

RELIABLE & Historical Proof and sources below:

https://time.com/5711219/dolemite-is-my-name-rudy-ray-moore-legacy/

https://www.biography.com/news/who-was-rudy-ray-moore-godfather-of-rap-dolemite

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95935377

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/22/movies/22moore.html

https://www.dia.org/events/origins-hip-hop-dolemite Musiccreed01 (talk) 19:21, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. DannyS712 (talk) 10:34, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Let my vote be the second to AGREE with the removal of Latinos as the co-creators creators of Hip Hop. Therefore it is two to none, which makes a consensus. 4.59.43.82 (talk) 22:06, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2020

Hello, I request an edit of the page hip hop because there is strong inaccurate information placed on one thing. In the article it is showing that Latinos are added as the creators of hip hop. This in fact is not true at all whatsoever. Hip Hop was created solely by African Americans aka black Americans. The black American man who is regarded and proven and confirmed to be the father or creator of hip hop is Rudy Ray Moore who is confirmed to be the godfather of hip hop. Rudy Ray Moore who is most famously known as the blackexploitation character Dolemite created Hip Hop in the late 60s early 70s.

The biggest influences of hip hop and the said founders all stated that Rudy Ray Moore is the creator of hip hop and their biggest influences. Latinos, like other groups of people, partook in the genre after it was created but didn't create nor help create it. This needs to be edited now because its giving false and inaccurate credit making it all uncredible to visitors. Thank You for your time. Here are the links to some of many extremely credible source:

https://time.com/5711219/dolemite-is-my-name-rudy-ray-moore-legacy/ https://www.biography.com/news/who-was-rudy-ray-moore-godfather-of-rap-dolemite https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95935377 https://www.dia.org/events/origins-hip-hop-dolemite https://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/22/movies/22moore.html Musiccreed01 (talk) 19:42, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. DannyS712 (talk) 10:34, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

I too SECOND that Latinos having being the co-creators of Hip Hop be edited out of the article. That is a gross inaccuracy that is not supported by a legitimate source. The citation given is an "opinion" piece. 4.59.43.82 (talk) 21:59, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2020

Under 1970s ---> Introduction of rapping, "Rudy Ray Moore" Should lead to the wikipedia page for that person. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Ray_Moore Typhic (talk) 08:09, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

 Done – Thjarkur (talk) 09:55, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Latino Americans?

It was Puerto Ricans with Jamaicans then others followed African Americans Cuban Dominican Mexican.

Hip Hop was a creation of Latinos with African Americans(Jamaicans) as Latinos contributed a lot to the sound and dance and clothing

Do not change the edit its correct Just because we took from Black music does not mean it was started by black people only

Latinos were in the soup when it was being created get over it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:21C0:98C0:5816:75B2:4925:56D (talk) 01:34, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 May 2020

"FRENCH HIP-HOP" in France (Second Largest Hip-Hop market after the United States) was started by "Sidney Duteil". Sidney Duteil (born Patrick Duteil in 1955 in Argenteuil, Val-d'Oise), better known as Sidney, is a French musician, rapper, DJ, television and radio[1] host, and occasional actor of Guadeloupe origin, an island in the Caribbean. He is well known in France for his connection with the beginnings of the French hip hop scene. He presented a hip hop radio program on Radio 7 from 1982. In 1984, he was the host of the popular weekly French Rap television show entitled H.I.P. H.O.P., it was France's first television show and first regular nationwide weekly show in the world to be dedicated to the hip hop culture. It was broadcast each Sunday afternoon on the French national channel TF1 in 1984, from January 14, for 43 weeks, which had a certain impact on the beginnings of the French hip hop scene. They had guests such as Herbie Hancock on February 19, Sugarhill Gang, Kurtis Blow, Afrika Bambaataa, The Rock Steady Crew, Art of Noise or Madonna and graffiti artists such as Futura 2000. This was significant for two reasons: first because Duteil became the first Black man in France to hold such a position, and secondly because the birth and eventual popularity of the weekly show demonstrated the growing admiration and involvement in the French population in hip hop culture - TazzoThaboss 153.254.157.18 (talk) 11:16, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

We would need some good sources to demonstrate that Sidney is noteworthy enough to mention in this large article. – Thjarkur (talk) 11:31, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2020

Hip Hop is African American cultural music developed by African Americans in the inner city of New York.It was devoloped as an artistic outlet for African American youth to voice political, popular, musical, and racial violations against African Americans. Kay3457 (talk) 08:29, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Interstellarity (talk) 12:10, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

References

Important section

Is there no criticism about this genre? Because I'm sure there's a lot of people arguing "rap is not music" since the beginning of this genre. We need a criticism section. Enjoyer of World (talk) 00:10, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation needed in the section 'World hip hop music': 9th paragraph refers to Hadouken! and incorrectly links to 'Hadouken' the Japanese game attack; ought to link to Hadouken! (band).109.155.83.4 (talk) 19:08, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

hip-hop history

Bold textwe have many kid rapper's that girl lay lay,young Dylan,sky kaze,and it goes on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:AE0D:3300:79EF:3438:7CD0:4234 (talk) 15:19, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 February 2021

Hip-hop often has a rhythm with an odd meter time signature (5/8, 6/4 etc.), a funky bassline, music samples, soul music style singing and rapping. 83.137.6.238 (talk) 02:23, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. 54nd60x (talk) 04:50, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Articles related to Hip Hop

Could someone create a navigation box called Articles related to Hip Hop and put Rap rock in it? 2601:C7:C201:C640:D9C2:F2B4:E75C:1EAD (talk) 16:58, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

 Already done See Template:Hip hop ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:20, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

No. I meant: Could someone put a navigation box called Articles related to Hip Hip and put the templates for Hip Hop, American Hip Hop, and Rap Rock in it?

"Mumble rap" should not be recognized as a genre in this article

"Mumble rap" has always just been a buzzword used by critics (mostly older people) to unfairly invalidate modern rap music. This is supposed to be an informative and unbiased article. Fuegotakis (talk) 00:00, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Request for comment

There is an RfC ongoing about a topic that contributors to this article may be interested in. It can be found here. JimKaatFan (talk) 15:06, 1 August 2021 (UTC)