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Absurd (Misinterpretation of Sources)

Pinging @Kjrajesh:

For me, it appeared the last revision of the article was moreover like a facebook story and here are my findings after checking the sources

These are the two references given to claim the participation of the Channar army in the Travancore

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.47735/page/n435/mode/2up?q

https://archive.org/details/nayarbrigadeoftr00madr/page/n9/mode/2up

None of these sources covers the term "Channar army" but only a statement on page 395 Castes And Tribes Of Southern India Vol. 2, "Channan, a corruption of the Tamil word, Chanror or chiefmen, is the most important of the titles of the Izhavas. This title was conferred upon distinguished members of the caste as a family honour by some of the ancient sovereigns of the country".

Madras Presidency records Page 1 stated The earliest record we have of the strength and composition of the Military Forces of Travancore dates from about the year 1757. There was then an army of 30,000 Nayars (10,000 regular and 20,000 irregular infantry). In the year 1780 it consisted of about 50,000 men disciplined, according to European manner ; in addition the State could command "in times of need" 100,000 Nayars and Chogas, armed with bows, arrows, spears, swords and battle axes. It is clearly mentioned those 100,000 Nayars & Chogas were reserved troops only to be used in times needy. (Formed in the year 1780).

For the Carnatic Brigade, the source said A portion of the army was known as the Carnatic Brigade. Its origin is uncertain. It would appear from the treaty of 1795 that the Travancore army did not consist of Nayars only, but contained also men from the Eastern side of the Ghauts. Whether the Carnatic Brigade took its name from the presence of these men, or whether it was a remnant of a force sent by the Nawab of the Carnatic to assist Travancore during internal troubles, is not known. By the treaty of 1795 the Travancore troops were bound to aid the East India Company in its wars, and a portion of the Travancore army was employed with the British troops in Lord Cornwallis’ operations against Tippoo Sultan. In article (In 1818, these left out Nair army was renamed as Nair Brigade, till then this army was known as Carnatic Brigade).

The name was Travancore Army itself, only a portion of the troop known by the Carnatic brigade as there are sources that the Maharaja was assisted even by the pashtuns. It is totally absurd to claim the troops sent by the Nawab of Carnatic were channars, even by the name Carnatic.

For Veluthampi, The Rajah, alarmed at the near approach of the British troops, hastened to tender his submission to the British Resident. The Dewan fled to the jungles, and, being pursued from place to place, was eventually put to death by his brother, or, as some say, committed suicide to avoid capture. But in article, it is said (Velu Thampi Dhalava dismissed Channar army from his Travancore army, during the period 1800 - 1808.From then onwards Travancore had only Nair army. This was a huge mistake done by Velu Thampi Dhalawa because British army took help from these Channar soldiers to finally kill Velu Thampi Dhalava.)

From: @Kjrajesh:

Chogas or Chovan or Chekavar are Ezhavas. Channars are Ezhavas. This clearly staes that Channar army is Ezhava army or Chekavar army.

You say "It is totally absurd to claim the troops sent by the Nawab of Carnatic were channars, even by the name Carnatic.", but who said Carnatic army is channar army? Channar/Ezhava/Chekava army is different Carnatic army is different.

For Veluthampi, He dismissed the Channar army during the period 1800 - 1808, but he fled to the jungle during the period 1809.

R.C^{Outlander07@talk} 09:04, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]