Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/J. P. Tokoto

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Given that the second 'Keep' vote was clearly rebutted, there appears to be consensus to delete here. If there are other athletes in the same position with articles, that is a fault with those articles, not this one. Black Kite (t) (c) 17:41, 26 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

J. P. Tokoto

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Contested PROD. Fails WP:NBASKETBALL, specifically WP:High school athletes as coverage are not independent of subject and mostly WP:ROUTINE Vanadus (talk | contribs) 21:35, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete User seems to be predicting fame for player, but violates WP:NOTCRYSTAL there Ben Kenobi151 (talk) 03:08, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If that is the standard you following, then Andre Drummond, James McAdoo, Austin Rivers, and Anthony Davis need to all be deleted as well. All of these players have found similar success to J. P. Tokoto at the high school level and have not yet made any contributions to a college program. As such, their inclusion on Wikipedia should also be considered a violation of WP:NOTCRYSTAL. Jeick (talk) 04:43, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Drummond, McAdoo, and Davis were all rated the #1 player in their class by at least one source, which to me is notable enough for inclusion. Rivers was the Naismith Player of the Year, a notable award. J.P. Tokoto is nowhere near the notability levels of the others you've listed. Vanadus (talk | contribs) 13:37, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 13:45, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 13:45, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep "Notability," of course is subjective, and certainly Drummond, McAdoo, and Rivers were arguably better high school players, but we must go by WP:Notability of High school and pre-highschool athletes. I think the subject of this article meets the requirements listed for inclusion. 198.185.18.207 (talk) 17:12, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

All the coverage regarding this prospect appears to be WP:ROUTINE, which fails WP:Notability of High school and pre-highschool athletes. He does not have any notable achievements that qualifies WP:GNG. Vanadus (talk | contribs) 18:17, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a list of Non-routine stories of J. P. Tokoto that I got from a quick Google search. Claiming that all of the coverage regarding him is merely routine is rather disingenuous.

Jeick (talk) 19:54, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The IP who voted keep thinks we must go by WP:Notability of High school and pre-highschool athletes, which specifically states WP:ROUTINE excludes the majority of local coverage in both news sources and sports specific publications. It especially excludes routine interviews as sources to establish notability. Vanadus (talk | contribs) 20:35, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep JP is one of the best high school basketball players in the country and was recently considered the #1 SF by scout.com. He's notable enough to be on here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.109.109.57 (talk) 20:32, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No he's the highly notable #17 SF. Vanadus (talk | contribs) 20:36, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:03, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or merge to 2012–13 North Carolina Tar Heels men's basketball team. A star high school player committing to a college is WP:Run-of-the-mill, especially if is ranked on average outside of the top-50 nationwide. Notability is not temporary. I don't believe this player would be encyclopedic years from now based on his current coverage if he doesn't also achieve in college and/or professionally. But Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Therefore, I am not in favor of keeping this article if there is a high possibility it will need to be deleted later.—Bagumba (talk) 07:09, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.