User talk:Khoikhoi/Archived

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Message

You put the following message on my talkpage under Tombseye section, is it related to that subject or you are refering to another issue?

Well, please be aware that you can't just copy content direclty from another website. You have to put it in your own words. What is the latest version of the article? Khoikhoi 06:44, 3 February 2007 (UTC) Kiumars

Re:

I'm going to nominate it for deletion later today the tags were just a quickie, very busy now. The article name is wrong, the content is unencyclopedic and pov, and there are no references for obvious reasons...-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 15:54, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Pashtuns problemos

Sorry for the late reply, but I got swamped with work. KPBotany apparently had a problem with all of the new pictures, but I had no problem with the family picture myself as it looked okay to me. The boy is wearing a hat typical of Sindhis (culturally speaking) and thus Haider does not like it. I figure at this point the pictures are the least of the worries so handle it as you see fit. I'm gonna try to fix stuff when I get a chance later today. Ciao. Tombseye 18:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

ArmenianNY

This user has been warned and he is still attacking people such as me and another Turkish wikipedian, Please see Battle of Sardarapat "Who is this idiot? Sardarapat battle took part on May 26 Armenia declared independence on May 28.How could Ottoman forces attack independet Armenia prior to Armenia's independence. Stop you idiotic rv)" he was insulting another person. Nareklm 23:27, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay by far this is worser, [1] Nareklm 23:30, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Another one, [2] Nareklm 23:34, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Ararat arev using new account,User:Mashis Nareklm 23:34, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Also this, User:Gevork7 Nareklm 23:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Hey

Hey Khoikhoi! I'm still busy with the MBA, but happy to see that all the usual controversies and fights continue here at Wikipedia! I actually missed it. I will try to start again! My fellow Turks need passionate people like me here in WP :) Cheers, --Gokhan 10:18, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Thx for barnstar

Thank you Khoikhoi. It's my first here by the way. As for the disagreements, as George S. Patton (ôr rather, George C. Scott) said; "I don't understand these young men who die so prematurely. There are still so many wars to be won." :) Cretanforever 15:08, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

did you read this trash:)

http://groong.usc.edu/news/msg176812.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fadix (talk • contribs) 18:28, 8 February 2007 (UTC).

Re: Huseyin Celil The text I used for Huseyin Celil belongs to me personally. I have a website launched at http://www.huseyincelil.com, you can see from domain registry that i own it and the pages over there belongs to me. Accordingly, it does not have any copyright issues at all. Can you please contact me. Thanks ~~bcelik~~

Protection template

Ah yes, the "v" is what I was forgetting. It's always the most obvious with template names, isn't it? Thanks for the fix, I was heading back to do it myself. Teke^(talk) 02:28, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it's main page worthy, short of heads of state or other such figures deaths are not usually put in In the news. The recent deaths link should be good enough; it's on Larry King at the moment because it's a slow news day :) Teke^(talk) 02:35, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Disclaimer

Baristarim:{ That's exactly what I was thinking :) I think that info (or its equivalent in the Turkey article) should be merged to either under minorities or some other section. Is about something else (probably about the minorities section), as he continued to edit the article and keep the disclaimer. It discloses that FACT that there is no ethic questions in census or it is by law forbidden to discriminate people with ethnic background. Information (disclaimer) given to inform the reader that most of the information is secondary source and not related with Turkish state resources. Being in secondary source, not generated by the state ("census") is an important fact. If France can have the disclaimer, Demographics of France I do not see why User:Khoikhoi rejects it. --OttomanReference 03:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

What is the source of "I disagree that the o.." The page is not about a general demographics. It is not about ethnic background distribution of any random area. It is about the "Republic of Turkey". The position of "Republic of Turkey" (or "France" on the other side) is not an undue weight. It stands under Demographics of France. Same reasons apply to Turkey. Thanks. OttomanReference 03:20, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Your response feels like you have a bias. I guess we know how hard life for kurds that "Turkish government's view on Turkey's demographics" needs to be something that has to be an article. I do not see such remarks on French page or people claiming "French government's view on Paris's demographics". I wish there is a magic wand that will help you see how funny this remark is. Thanks. --OttomanReference 04:11, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Europas is here

The nationalistic vandal from the german wikipedia is here, he is editing under user:Székely Attila. Please bock him indefinetly, thanks. --Öcsi 13:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Cretan Turks

Hi Khoikhoi, I'm not sure I understand the motivation for your reverts today on Cretan Turks. Miskin's edits were basically just a revert to a longstanding stable version of the intro accepted along general lines by both Greek and Turkish editors (compare Miskin's with Baristarim's version of 5 Jan), which had very recently been unilaterally changed and replaced with a very clearly inferior version by Cretanforever [3]. If anybody here ought to be admonished to garner consensus before making sweeping changes, it should be him. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't talking about the tinkering with the details of "were forced to leave" vs. "left", which was Miskin's second edit [4]. You could have reverted just that if you disagreed, although even in that edit there was something well argued and worth keeping (they may have been "forced" to leave but not in the beginning "forced by the Greek state", which wasn't yet around in 1896). But instead, you chose to blanket revert to Cretanforever's version, which was clearly inferior on several counts. Poor English, obliterating the link to the Cretan Muslims article, deleting a well sourced statement about the Greek ethnic/linguistic origins, instead introducing an unsourced OR passage about their Turkish culture. This version was indeed a product of unilateral POV pushing, it had been objected against by editors as unnationalistic as Macrakis ([5]), and it had broken a version that had in fact been stable along general lines over months and across multiple edits by both Greek and Turkish editors. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:03, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

My RFA

Thank You,
Khoikhoi/Archived for your Support! Thank you for your support in my RfA, which closed at 111 / 1 / 2. I am humbled and rather shocked to see such kind comments and for it to reach WP:100. Please feel free to leave a note if I have made a mistake or if you need anything, I will start out slow and tackle the harder work once I get accustomed to the tools. Thank you once more, I simply cannot express in words my gratitude.

...fly on littlewing. ~ Arjun 19:51, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Turkish names of Greek Iocations

Dear Khoikhoi,

I think modern Turkish names of the Greek locations should be stated rather than Ottoman names. First of all no one can understand Ottoman script. Also, I have doubts about names written in Ottoman script, since writing in Ottoman is very hard, thus, sometimes same word can be written in various ways. However, only one of them is correct. So, how can we be sure those names are correctly written? Although one can say he/she writes correctly there is a great probability of mistake. Also, the families, who came from Greece during the population exchange, simply use the names written in modern script. Furthermore, Turks who live inside of Greek borders use modern script either. I think that we should use modern script rather than using Ottoman. Or at least modern Turkish names should be stated with the Ottoman names together. For example; Lesbos (Greek: Lesvos (Λέσβος), Ottoman Turkish: مدللى, Turkish: Midilli) CrashMex 23:40, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

CrashMex the non-Greek names are provided for historical reasons and not to promote land claims. Miskin 00:58, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Look Khoikhoi I'll pour some water on my wine this time and ignore your provokative and clearly biased behaviour towards me. I know you've been holding a grudge against me on the specific article, but you need to get over it and be neutral. You must understand that by supporting a POV in order to take an action against me, you only enforce the POV-pusher continue his practice, and therefore make it harder to reach a consensus. This was proved within minutes when Gonzo removed the 'disputed' tag and made some comments in Talk about how wikipedia is not in position to decide on its own articles or something along those lines. Miskin 00:58, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Cussing

Hey Khoikhoi, i have a question are we allowed to curse? like for example "..Stop fucking reverting my edits" just wondering since its not an personal attack, im starting to get frustrated with users here. Nareklm 01:40, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh lol, but it helps me maintain my stress online heh. Nareklm 01:53, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

possible sock puppet of User:Kgeza67

I'm no expert in these things, but is it possible that Special:Contributions/Lokimoki is a sock-puppet of User:Hunor3/User:Kgeza67? Thought I'd put it to your attention. - TheMightyQuill 01:46, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Inappropriate usage of images

These users confirm that they can use images on wikipedia but it doesn't state they own the images, they use images from other websites and claim it as there own, for instance, Image:Kish_Church.jpg is from [http://www.un-az.org/undp/news/newimg/prspsheki2big.jpg ] and way more images i can name. Nareklm 03:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

So there is no relevance at all so it is a copy vio. Nareklm 03:45, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay it is a copyvio did you see the site i gave you? there not the owners of that site, there the owners of euro caspian. Nareklm 03:48, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

By the way Ararat arev is back, User:Ururus Nareklm 03:50, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

AdilBaguirov

There are somethings you should know about this person. I did a Google search on him and I figured out why he operates with so much original research and POV. That is what he does. He writes articles full of historical inaccuracies on several sites related to Azerbaijan and even runs his own website, where he frequently refers to Iranian Azerbaijan as "Southern Azerbaijan". I've been trying to tell you this whole time that this guy has been operating with POV and OR.Azerbaijani 05:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey Khoikhoi this should close it look, [6] and Dacy69 added that link same website [7] Adil has been around for a few years the guy is an Ultra-nationalist on Armenian and Persian related subjects he hates everything about us. "It reminds me how some Azerbaijanis held in high regard such people as Stepan Shaumyan and others, who were squarely anti-Azerbaijani." [8]. "Adil Baguirov, a known and paid Azeri radical nationalist and a government agent appeared on Wikipedia after a long slumber on December 10, on that day he made edits on Armenia and Urartu articles. The exact two articles that were edited by Dacy69 within the past few hours supporting the exact same pov. Another Azeri user shows up out of nowhere supporting the other Azeri's same pov? Their wording is pretty much identical as well." Nareklm 05:53, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Also not to mention this, [9] i suspect he is a sock puppet of adil to since he never logs on anymore and he seems to hate Armenians, i know the hate theres two kinds. Baku87 obviously added his own name, than later registered with his new user name Adil. Nareklm 06:05, 10 February 2007 (UTC)\

Yes, I concur. He has government affiliation because he was the first to create a website about Azerbaijan when then internet first became main stream in 1995. He is involved in several nationalistic topics, and writes historically inaccurate articles, mostly for Azeri websites. Here is his website: [10] Look at this article which he wrote (In Russian): [11] The title reads Appropriation of cultural and historical heritage of Azerbaijan by Iranian and Armenian governments: example of great Azerbaijani poet Nizami Ganjavi (Nezami from Ganjeh). Here is where he has compiled a list of articles, all of which support the Republic of Azerbaijan and criticise its "enemies", Armenia and Iran for example. I have continuously said on talk pages that this user uses OR and POV, and his website and his articles all show that this is what he does, he does original research! Also, I am sure that socks are being used.

Here you can read about Adil Baguirov: [12] Note this: Adil graduated from the University of Southern California (USC) in 1999 with degrees in Business Administration and International Relations. Obviously, he is no historian, yet everything he tries to add into Wikipedia is his personal original research. This is against Wikipedia rules and policies! Just type in Adil Baguirov into Google and you can see the articles he writes, all of which are POV and OR and have no place on Wikipedia. He is obviously not neutral, and has some sort of agenda here on Wikipedia.Azerbaijani 06:12, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Azerbaijani, "He has government affiliation because he was the first to create a website about Azerbaijan when then internet first became main stream in 1995", do you realize how baseless such argument is? Secondly, you missed the updated information, Adil also holds PhD in International Relations from Moscow State Institute of International Affairs (MGIMO) of the Foreign Ministry of Russian Federation. So if you're able to confront his edits with references, do so, otherwise, the thread above looks nothing other than personal attack and targeting of a person. Now let me ask you a simple question, based on your logic, when you're involved in consistent propaganda and edit warring on Azerbaijani sites, should we similarly assume that you work for Iranian government? Atabek 10:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Azerbaijani, do you have any proof that Dr. Baguirov serves for the government of Azerbaijan and everything that he does here is at the direct order of the Azerbaijani state? If yes, be kind to present it. If not, I would call you to refrain from groundless statements and personal judgements about other contributors. Millions of people have personal websites and private portals. Are they all governmental employees? Do you realize how ridiculous your statement is? And even if so, are civil servants and governmental officers prohibited to contribute to Wikipedia? If your judgement is based on the content of Dr. Baguirov's insertions, then similarly I can suggest that you are hired by Mr. Ayatolla Ala Akbar Khomenei to advance here Shia and pan-Persian propaganda. Do I do it? No. Why? Because that would sound tremendously ridiculous. I strongly call everyone, including yourself, to concentrate on the topics of discussion rather than diverting it to irrelevant directions. Besides, can you support your complaint about Dr. Baguirov's using the term of "South Azerbaijan" instead of "Iranian Azerbaijan" with references to the internationally and scholarly recognized term of the region? Is there any document that says that the official name of the region should be no otherwise but Iranian Azerbaijan (other than Persian scholars' papers)? Similarly, Russian experts can complain that Azerbaijan Republic should be called "Russian Azerbaijan", just like some Armenian politicians often call Azerbaijan "Eastern Armenia" (completely omitting the word 'Azerbaijan'). Azerbaijan is Azerbaijan, without any attachment of another state's affiliation. And the terms north, south, east and west sound more "geographically" than Russian, Iranian or anything else. --Batabat 15:53, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Abşeron

Regarding that article, the other name gets more hits in Google by the way. Nareklm 06:51, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

There both two different words the current one is from an Azeri written word since this is English wikipedia its better to change it plus if you search the Azeri term more Azeri sources or in there language pops up which we don't want since this is English wikipedia and more accuracies with the other word. Nareklm 06:56, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Kurdish categories

Hi. You left a 'welcome' for me which i failed to answer; Thanks (and sorry late).

I see many attempts to delete Kurdish categories and find this distressing. And I see you making reasonable edits, so I asking you what to do about this. I don't want to get into fight about it, but also don't like to see edits I make removed just because people against Kurds. Thank you.--Diyarbakir 07:56, 10 February 2007 (UTC)