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Not notable. Urban legend presented in article as actual person. Lightspecs (talk) 13:49, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military and Ukraine. Shellwood (talk) 13:51, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Too soon- Just because something may be an urban legend (I don't see any evidence that he is one, anyways) doesn't warrant deletion. Urban legends or popular tales can also meet WP:Notability.This deletion proposal has been done far too early. Dunutubble (talk) 14:06, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: I'm not totally convinced that the Ghost is real, given that the existence of the person is described as unconfirmed. I'd like to wait and see if anything more comes out on the ghost, but absent continued coverage of the individual beyond the immediate future I'd lean towards deletion. — Mhawk10 (talk) 14:23, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Merge to Kyiv Offensive (2022). WP:TOOSOON to see if there's will be enough lasting coverage beyond the routine news cycle to warrant a standalone article, but there seems to be enough coverage to warrant a mention in the article about the battle. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 14:36, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. We don't know if it's true, we don't know what's going on. There is a lot of misinformation going on a lot of fake news, a lot of propaganda stories flying around (pun intended) on both sides and Wikipedia can't be an avenue for that. We must stick to facts that can be verifiable, especially when dealing with current events. Coltsfan (talk) 14:37, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Real or legend, the coverage satisfies GNG. See also Molly Pitcher, another notable war legend. Smartyllama (talk) 14:39, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. Reliably sourced, I agree that this was proposed too early. Ifnord (talk) 14:44, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Keep it definitely has reliable sources. Even if it is an urban legend, it has enough coverage for an article. >>> Ingenuity.talk(); 14:46, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Delete This is absolute implausible. Here are some thoughts from a military expert, Tom Cooper on his Facebook page. AlmeidaBarros (talk) 14:50, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Facebook is not a reliable source and I'm very curious why an account that has been inactive for close to a year would suddenly be used to comment on this AfD and the article talk page with the same point. Smartyllama (talk) 14:56, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Facebook is not a reliable source. You could try citing a Peer reviewed academic source instead, and even then it wouldn't do anything to counter WP:GNG. Even if the story turns out to be fake we still have articles like Crucified Boy which are notable in their own right. Dunutubble (talk) 15:13, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Merge to Kyiv Offensive (2022), as per Qwaiiplayer. Iamthedutchdude (talk) 14:59, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Comment This account has only six edits, all today, all but one on Ukraine conflict-related AfDs and the remaining one on the associated article page. Smartyllama (talk) 15:01, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Keep (for now) per Smarty. Proposed too early. SWinxy (talk) 15:07, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Keep As Smarty stated above, the article certainly meets the GNG, and it seems that there are further sources that have yet to be used in the article. Whether the subject is real or not, or an urban legend, or even propaganda, is irrelevant to the fact that it is receiving sufficient coverage. Could be re-evaluated for lasting impact in the future, but it is too soon to judge that. Toadspike (talk) 15:18, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Even if the ghost of kyiv turns out to not actually exist, it is a big urban legend that is being parroted by multiple news organizations. It can be updated to show it is an urban legend if we need to. UkraineNumbaOne (talk) 15:21, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Comment this account only has one edit, to this page. >>> Ingenuity.talk(); 15:33, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - sourcing is borderline, Facebook and two sports newspapers although National News seems reliable, and demonstrates international attention. It doesn't matter at all if the pilot exists: we also write about notable hoaxes and urban legends. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:47, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Delete WP:TOOSOON The existence of this pilot and their achievements lacks sourcing. If this person is identified and their achievements confirmed, an article with their proper name may be in order, but for now, I'd be for deletion or redirect. U-dble (talk) 15:49, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
- Keep While more emphasis should be placed on the fact this is unconfirmed it is notable and their are other pages on legends and myths.PaienPaien (talk) 15:54, 25 February 2022 (UTC) 15:54, 25 February 2022 (UTC)