Talk:Far-right politics in Ukraine

Low life expectancy leads to more Neo-Nazism in a country?

This Wikipedia article currently claims that low life expectancy somehow leads to more Neo-Nazism in Ukraine.... Seems like a wp:fringe theory to me.... If life expectancy would be extremely low in Israel Neo-Nazism would be extremely high in Israel? — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 17:05, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes at least thats what we get taught in history class in Canada. Lower quality of life and economic struggle creates tough and violent conditions and grow division which make it easier for xenophobic ideas to infiltrate the mainstream. This is what happened in Germany. Perhaps not fatalistic but it is an acceptable socio-economic concept. When life gets tough people turn on each other. In the western world the rise of far right politics generally is a reflection of the growing unaffordability crisis they are experiencing. In the US a lot of Trump supporters were working class people who suffered horribly from the offshoring of american manufacturing. I also would say that life in places like Hungary and Greece is not good for their citizens and you also see high levels of far right politics in those areas. DimKhr (talk) 06:12, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Neutrality of this Wikipedia article

This Wikipedia article is currently (mid-February 2020) based on a minimum of sources which most of them being being opinion pieces that were written to warn against raising Neo-Nazism in Ukraine. The article to me seems written by the boy who cried wolf. Although I believe that current far-right violence against Roma is a serious problem in Ukraine, the article's suggestion that ethnic Russians are under threat is something I never read in mainstream sources. You have to be an extremely sick person to believe that violence against ethnic Russians in Ukraine would not be reported by BBC, CNN or other mainstream English media...... With the current Russian government pushing the frame of "Ukrainianism = Nazism!!!!!!!!" Wikipedia should be writing careful, multi point of view and balanced articles about the situation in Ukraine. And not some botched up summary of opinion pieces written for a specific reason. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 17:38, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

True. My very best wishes (talk) 21:15, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

The source of the imbalance are poor quality sources and mischaracterization of the few reliable sources. The opening paragraph with the two opinion pieces that cite Twitter and Facebook are prime examples. I'll remedy that in the coming days. --SonicY (talk) 16:11, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Its true that it was not covered in mainstream media but not everything is and there examples of Western media actively ignoring conflicts like a lot of what happens in the developing world. Regardless, the view presented in the Wikipedia article is noteworthy because this was essentially the Russian-speaking worlds narrative since 2014. And there have been really devastating civilian casualties in the Donbas area since and throughout the original fighting that started in 2014. In fact the BBC along with other publications found that a lot of old footages are circulating claiming to be from the current conflict. Not justifying the war but its important to understand all sides if there is to be an end DimKhr (talk) 06:19, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedily deletion because there ARE far right ,right wing groups in Ukraine including the far right neo naxi right sector,and the Wikipedia article does not contain excuses or reasons for russian invasion but merely offers information. Further, Wikipedia states this article as propaganda but fails to mention where is the properganda or false content exactly? If you are to censor such articles, surely as part of democratic process you should point out or draw focus to exactly what sections are propaganda or false. Other wise Wikipedia will be guilty of silencing free speech and factual information with a blanket ban on anything that criticises Ukraine or its politics as propaganda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.107.2.8 (talk) 17:17, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't necessarily agree with the sources of this article but a member of the Svoboda Party in Ukraine went ON THE record that an immigrant Hollywood actress is not an Ukrainian but a zhidivka (see Zhidovka). Also Ukraine did historically include Nazi collaborationists, my late grandmother, a Holocaust survivor told me of a German embassy during the war featuring a flag with a Swastika (i.e. it was a Nazi embassy). That does not detract from the heroism of Ukrainians, including ethnic Poles, Jews and even Russians, who fought back against an invading army that bombed schools, hospitals and infrastructure under the dark of night, whether by the Germans during the 'great war for the fatherland' (Soviet term for their war (see World War II) defending against the Nazis, where Kyiv happened to be the first to be attacked), or this time by the Russian army which called a democratically elected government (by the way, some material in the article is outdated, the Prime Minister is Volodymyr Zelenskyy, not Poroshenko) drug addicts and neo-Nazis (see fascist (insult)(24.46.46.43 (talk) 08:34, 10 March 2022 (UTC)LeucineZipper. 24.46.46.43 (talk) 08:34, 10 March 2022 (UTC)