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Clickable links in the diagram of Tolkien's legendarium

I have developed a template that uses your diagram as a basis for an <image map> which overlays it with clickable links for each document. The template is at User:Verbarson/leg, and it can be seen in use at User:Verbarson/sandbox#Template, duplicating the way it is presented in three articles. It has two parameters: upright controls the size of display (default 2), and caption supplies the caption (also having a default value).

The links used are mostly obvious. The link for 'Later Quenta, Annals' points to The War of the Jewels, which is only one of the three volumes involved. The 'Other Materials' are also linked to relevant articles, and the overall image, where not otherwise linked, is linked to the original image in Commons. This reflects the current user experience, but I am not sure it is the best solution: it may be better to link to Tolkien's legendarium, or to omit a 'background' link entirely. Your suggestions on all of these issues are welcome.

I wonder whether you are intending, at any point, to add Unfinished Tales to the diagram? Also, near the foot, the HoME caption has 1..XII, where you may have intended I..XII. If the diagram is changed, the template will have to be edited to match any new or altered positions; this is a tedious but not difficult job that I am happy to undertake. -- Verbarson ^talk_edits 23:31, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Verbarson: 1) Thank you, good idea. 2) The links seem to be fine (there's no obvious solution for the Later Quenta, Annals link), and the background link to the image is correct. 3) UT wasn't mentioned by the sources; in truth, it isn't really a 'book', just bits and bobs from the Legendarium, so it doesn't have a place in the diagram. 4) Feel free to install the template in the 3 places where it is used. 5) I'll fix the 1 -> I text now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:26, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for correcting the Quenta Noldorinwa link.

I note that you have updated the '1' to 'I'; I can see the new version in Commons. However, wherever the template is used - all three articles, and three times in my sandbox - I still see the '1'. I have purged all the pages and the template, but it does not change. How does it appear to you? Is the problem specific to me, or has the template got stuck on an older version of the diagram? If so, how can I update it? -- Verbarson ^talk_edits 18:06, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Answer: it is picking up the file from en.wiki, not commons.

I want to pick up this version.

What I am getting is this one, which despite the File History, does not have the update. (I have tried purging that page - no change.)

I cannot see any way of specifying the correct version in the image 'File:' link. I assume the page renderer checks en.wiki first, then tries commons if nothing was found. Can the en.wiki version be removed, or at least renamed? -- Verbarson ^talk_edits 18:28, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Verbarson: You need to purge your browser's cache, then it will reload the image(s).

For instance on Firefox it's Settings / Privacy & Security / Cookies and Site Data / Clear data ... / Cached Web Content (Will require websites to reload images and data) / Clear. (No doubt some software bunny thought that was easy.) Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:08, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you - it is now displaying as expected. (Chrome: Settings > Privacy and security > Clear browsing data) -- Verbarson ^talk_edits 19:40, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Verbarson: Would it be possible to make the yellowish area "Incomplete Time-travel Novels" (a rectangle that wraps around two brown book boxes) point to J. R. R. Tolkien's explorations of time travel? Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:30, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly. It's done. -- Verbarson ^talk_edits 21:30, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Having read the article in question, I am surprised that no source has brought up Puck of Pook's Hill and its sequel, where two children are very explicitly enchanted (by "the oldest Old Thing in England" using Oak, Ash and Thorn) and taken - if not into the past, then into the presence of the past. One story, 'Dymchurch Flyt', even tells of the 'Pharisees' leaving across the sea. -- Verbarson ^talk_edits 22:27, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tolkien seems never to have mentioned Kipling, as I've recorded Shippey saying in Trees and forests in Middle-earth. He must surely have read Kipling, and the two men certainly shared a view of Englishness. Beyond that, it's hard to say. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:14, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yoga Journal

You reverted my edit to Yoga Journal (YJ) citing a link you gave, which you didn't even look at: 'subscribe' redirects to the new owner's website and to subscriptions for only their magazine, 'Outside', which is all YJ subscribers received after this May. Go to any subscription service: Amazon.com, or any other magazine subscription reseller, and they all say it's discontinued! Please check more before you revert!--dchmelik☀️🦉🐝🐍(talk|contrib) 07:18, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]