Talk:Adriano Sofri

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Neutral lead?

I am trying to find as neutral as possible a way of mentioning, in the lead, the Calabresi question. Now I have put it as "[Sofri] was arrested in 1988 and convicted to 22 years of prison, having been considered guilty of being the instigator of the murder of Luigi Calabresi, a police officer suspected (but deemed innocent by a court) of having killed the anarchist Giuseppe Pinelli". We should avoid expression such as "A killed/did not kill B": we should write "a tribunal deemed A guilty of the murder of B", "X accused A of having murdered B", "Y campaigned about the innocence of A" and so on instead. These are verifiable facts, the former is not. Of course, if someone can think a more neutral way of putting things, I shall be glad. Goochelaar (talk) 17:29, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It would be nice if people reverting my edits would comment on them here. Anyway, for now I am not reverting the last reversion, but I wonder what is "non neutral" in the sentence "Luigi Calabresi, a police officer suspected (but deemed innocent by a court) of having killed the anarchist Giuseppe Pinelli". His alleged responsibilities in Pinelli's death were scritinized and the inquiry's conclusion was that he was innocent (hence the part "deemed innocent etc."); and if there were an inquiry it means that somebody suspected him. If my formulation made it sound as something else, I am sorry. If nothing else happens, I plan to reinstate my version in a week's time. Goochelaar (talk) 16:38, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A farce

This article is a farce. It's not an encyclopedia article: it tries to reverse the evidence produced in Italian courts, and to prove Sofri's innocence for the Calabresi murder.

The court case against Sofri was quite controversial, and produced conflicting verdicts and some sort of legal conundrum. However, the article is written from the point of view that Sofri is innocent.

This is against all of wikipedia rules.

Since there does not seem to be a lot of interest for this article, and I know very well that I cannot spend too much time on here, it's totally useless to make any modifications, so the usual suspects will have their day.

Sad, sad.Giordaano (talk) 08:45, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This artcile is not at all neutral: it is written by a "friend" of Sofri and it does not present the fact neutrally ! (Sorry, but I do not know how to sign) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.206.101.221 (talk) 08:15, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As I remarked in the comment to my latest edit, we cannot say that Sofri was the instigator etc. We can say a court judged him to be the instigator etc. Do not you agree? (To sign, it is sufficient to type four tilde characters ~, or to click on the signature button, above, the tenth from left.) Goochelaar (talk) 10:27, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I repeat : the article is written entirely from the point of view of someone who wants to prove Sofri's innocence. It's absolutely not NPOV. I will try to make some edits, with time Giordaano (talk) 12:15, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Murderer

Would you be pleased to describe as "murderer" people who kill other people? Otherwise we can describe Hitler as soap producer being you so well disposed towards murderers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.54.8.110 (talk) 22:21, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sofri was a terrorist, he ordered the murder of a policeman who is literally the icon of Italian terrorism victim's Day. Whoever is deleting that from the bio is doing vandalism.

Sofri or Pietrostefani (convicted for the same felony) are called ex-terrorists on a numbers of international newspapers. Their organization Lotta Continua has academic papers where it is cited as a terroristic organization. The policeman murdered by them received the Gold medal in memoriam as a victim of terrorism by the Italian President of the Republic. On the Day remembering victims of terrorism, the policeman family (Calabresi family) has been regularly called to speak in Parliament for decades. The usual argument "they were never convicted for terrorism, only for murder!!!" is lazy and dumb. Lots of terrorists in Italy were convicted for standard murder and yet they remained terrorists. See the story of Cesare Battisti Odisseo99 (talk) 01:59, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]