Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Buddy Garcia

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Mediran (t • c) 03:04, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Buddy Garcia

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This is a person who has served in some extremely minor political roles such as staff member to a state senator and state governor, as well as a temporary member (not leader or chair, just a member) of the Texas Railroad Commission for a half-year. He was also one of 3 heads of the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality, the state's environmental agency for several years. None of these are elected positions, and to my knowledge appointees to state commissions are not inherently noble, this this is a failure of WP:POLITICIAN. What little sourcing there is is routine and local, the simple reporting of a "so-and-so was appointed to such-and-such" variety, thus a failure of the WP:GNG. Tarc (talk) 23:45, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Obviously meets WP:POLITICIAN as I said when declining prod. He was not just "one of three heads", but the head as he served as chairman of the TCEQ and previously was the deputy secretary of state. Garcia was not some low-profile bureaucrat and the sourcing is anything but routine or local. Clearly, Tarc has not honored WP:BEFORE if thinks the coverage is all local and routine, though "local" coverage across a state more populous than most countries is nothing to sneeze at either.--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 00:13, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
WP:POLITICIAN is primarily intended to cover elected officials, as noted by part 3, "Just being an elected local official..." which does not even cover all elected positions 100%. If it doesn't 100% cover those elected to a position , then it most certainly does not extend automatically to non-elected officials. As for the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality, Garcia held the chair of a 3-man committee. Again, not in itself a notable position. As for WP:BEFORE, it is not policy or even guideline, merely an essay-like suggestion. I always do brief searches for sources before nominating an article though, so the suggestion that this was nominated without checking is, bluntly, bullshit. There are press releases and scant coverage of jobs this man has taken and jobs this man has left. Nothing more of substance, though TDA is invited to try to find these mythical sources rather than browbeat the deletion discussion. The suggestion that the size of Texas makes its local coverage more notable than local coverage in an other state..or another country for that matter...is almost too laughable to address. "Everything is bigger in Texas" is a product of regional ego, not terribly applicable to the English Wikipedia and how it decides notability. Tarc (talk) 01:28, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP:POLTICIAN also explicitly applies to judges, who are often not elected, so your suggestion that him being appointed means that it doesn't apply is mistaken. Indeed, if it applied to only popularly-elected officials this would mean countries where the highest-ranking official in a major subdivision is appointed would be excluded. Still if you want some sources that will make his notability seem more compelling to you then here you go.--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 04:47, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:27, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:27, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The nominator is incorrect: the Texas Railroad Commission is a statewide elected body, and a powerful one, "historically one of the most important regulatory bodies in the nation" and "an important actor on the national energy stage".[1]. WP:POLITICIAN does not exclude someone who is appointed to fill a vacancy for this elective position, any more than would be someone appointed to a vacancy for any other elected statewide office. Such an exclusion rule would leave pointless gaps in our coverage, gaps that don't yield any benefit for those who may come here for information about this important elected body. Contrary to the nominator's intemperate edit summary comment when nominating this for AfD[2], the deprodding editor was hardly "obstinate" in exercising xis right to move a questionable prod to full consideration and taking the time to examine the question more carefully is not a "waste [of] 7 days".--Arxiloxos (talk) 02:45, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't say the Railroad COmmission wasn't an elected bosdy, so kindly take your strawman construction elsewhere. This person was appointed to it on an interim basis. The rest of your comment is quite easily dismissed as an WP:ITSUSEFUL hand-wave. Tarc (talk) 03:44, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This fulfills each part of the genereal notability guidelines. The refs are specifically about him, they are RS. It is an important position. Don't see a reason to delete.Capitalismojo (talk) 15:20, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Held multiple statewide offices of some prominence, and thus clearly satisfies WP:POLITICIAN. Has a marginal claim to GNG on the basis of sources quoted in the article as well. Ray^Talk 15:33, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The Texas Railroad Commission is an important, state-wide, elected postion. It meets the requirments for notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:42, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.