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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Fear the Fire (talk | contribs) at 14:15, 16 March 2007. The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Blocked as a sockpuppet

You have been blocked indefinitely as a sockpuppet of a banned or blocked user. As a blocked or banned user you are not entitled to edit Wikipedia. All your edits have been reverted.

Details of how to appeal a block can be found at: Wikipedia:Appealing a block. Aksi_great (talk) 18:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sockpuppet

Wrong_not (talk · contribs) has been identified as your sockpuppet per investigation at Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Pens withdrawn. I have blocked the account. Please be advised that using multiple accounts to edit or comment on the same topics is prohibited. Thatcher131 02:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i am working in an IT company and there may be many users in the same LAN Pens withdrawn 06:02, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps. It seems pretty unlikely, though, that your fellow employee would join Wikipedia on the same day you did and edit only two of the three articles you have edited and nothing else. Thatcher131 06:38, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
he can be my friend as well right?.. if that account dint create any troubles in wiki(analyse his/her contribs and talks), why do you need to block that?. Did you try to analyze the person(user:Bakasuprman), who put me in the check list? Please go through the history of the article National Development Front. If administrator User:Dbachmann hadn't intervened, these people would have established it as a terrorist organization. They are still trying for it. I am in no way related to this organization, maybe in future, I will be a part of it. I know the intentions of these editors, its clear from their contributions on wiki. Wiki is considered as a neutral source and my intention is to just give a try to save this organizations image here or just give a supporting hand to other editors. --- Pens withdrawn 05:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

3rr

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly, as you are doing in National Development Front. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. Lionheart5 06:18, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

the alteration you have done on 14:36, 26 February 2007 on the article National Development Front by just mentioning in the comment as rv POv pushing, is not acceptable. How can you change the entire article like that in one stretch without any discussion. 3RR is applicable for every users. --Pens withdrawn 06:26, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Calling members of the Communist Party of India (Marxist) "fascist" is just plain delusional, and addressing exposers of the terrorist mass-murderers of the NDF as "fascist" (directed, presumably at David Bukay) is a violation of WP:LIVING and 3rr does not apply in my case if I revert it. It does apply in your reverts as your reverts are not negated by any other wikipedia policy. Therefore, if you continue, you will violate 3rr and be blocked. Hope I have made this clear. Lionheart5 06:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
i didnt want to revert the entire article. As a first step I reverted it to previous version which was the continuation of the version created by the administrator User:Dbachmann ( But just after i saved the second update, u have reverted it back again). Until the edits of User:Sundaram7 on 10:03, 26 February 2007, The article was moving in the right direction. Please don't drag this article to a fight once again. What ever alterations you have done on 14:36, 26 February 2007 on the article (by just mentioning in the comment as rv POv pushing) should be re examined and edited once again. -- Pens withdrawn 06:38, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not meant to be held hostage by NDF propagandists. The version right now is much more neutral than your raving fantasies about "fascists" in the CPI(M) and the Congress Party (interestingly, most of the Hindutvaadi lunatics make the same accusations you did about CPM and INC, that should make you NDF-wallahs think). The article is moving in the right direction right now. NDF's goals are stated as their claims not facts (which is what you're trying to say). That's like citing information from al-Qaeda's websites as facts instead of claims (well NDF is worse than al-Qaeda, at least al-Qaeda admits to being terrorist). And, of course, the exhaustive exposure of NDF as a super-terrorist and bloodthirsty bunch of thugs, rapists and murderers is also detailed, which is never bad, given how incredibly vicious , violent and communal these people really are. Lionheart5 06:46, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
wow.. finally you made your point. Your view of the organization is like those of RSS and VHP people. Now I am sure that I cant help you out. -- Pens withdrawn 07:01, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
and for just removing "fascists" comment, you have altered the article to that extend?? I was about to remove it in the second edit. If your intention is just to make AlQaeda out of NDF, it will happen only in wikipedia.- Pens withdrawn 07:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ha ha. Wrong again buddy. I'm no any RSS/VHP. I'm just an ordinary Indian anti-Communalist, whether it comes from RSS/VHP or whether it comes from SIMI/NDF. Hindustan mein koi Hindu nahin koi Muslim bhi nahin.Lionheart5 01:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
and for just removing "fascists" comment, you have altered the article to that extend?? --that was my question.. and you are saying that u r no RSS/VHP. Did I say that you are RSS/VHP??? Or did I ask you about that. Read the above discussion once again if you have lost your mind.Pens withdrawn 04:40, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Dude, you need to read WP:NPA very carefully. Here's the deal. Your additions are based on stating NDF propaganda as fact. The proof of propaganda lies in the fact that all that junk is sourced from NDF's own website, which is fine provided it is stated that it is NDF's own claims. You have provided no third party sources to attest to NDF's bogus claims (except for "Dalit Voice", which is a website that preaches holocaust denial and is thus unreliable, see WP:FRINGE). My modifications kept all that and rewrote it as NDF's claims (which is what they are). It also sourced a vast plethora of criticisms of NDF from many sources and groups. Academics like David Bukay, who is a peer-reviewed scholar with tenure in a respectable university. His views may not be appreciated by everybody, but nonetheless, he is notable so can be mentioned. The same is true for members of CPI(M) and BJP. You N.D.F.-wallahs may not like BJP for exposing NDF as a Mujahid outfit and then resort to smear campaigns and allegations of "Fascism" or whatever against them, but just try to do the same for CPI(M) and you will be laughed at since Communism is the diametrical opposite of Fascism. What about the Indian National Congress, which is neither Communist nor "Fascist"? They also say that NDF are terrorists. When so many people from such diverse political backgrounds make these allegations, one must consider that they may have a point. Unless you degenerate into the realm of fantasy and espouse a "sub log humaare hi peeche pare hain" mentality regarding opposition to N.D.F's Islamist violence and murder, in which case I have nothing more to say to you. Incidentally, if NDF is merely a "human rights group working for the emancipation of Dalits", then why is their membership almost exclusively Muslim (and shady ones at that)? Lionheart5 10:49, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
well said.. taking in to consideration, some allegations from few popular personalities, there are people like you who bark against such good organizations especially if they are formed by muslim majority. Your attitude is clear from your quote "NDF is worse than al-Qaeda, at least al-Qaeda admits to being terrorist". stupid thing to relate Islamic terrorism and kerala. Media has tried many times to do so by creating fake evidences and failed shamelessly. I dont want to quote all those incidents here which is irrelevant. So, my dear patriot, try your level best. I have already said, If your intention is just to make AlQaeda out of NDF, it will happen only in wikipedia.
There is enough light for one who wants to see Ali (A.S.) ---Pens withdrawn 04:38, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Arre bhai the main point is that they are allegations from Notable persons organizations, and one of them is a peer-reviewed scholar. Consequently, they are meritorious enough for inclusion into wikipedia. If you can find any attributable counter-claims and counter-criticisms from notable persons defending NDF against specific allegations then, by all means, intimate us "Kuffr Harbis" to their existence and source them. So far, you have done nothing of the sort. Additionally, if NDF was truly a "human rights group" they would include all "humans", including us Kuffrs Lionheart5 09:20, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the block

(Case Pens_withdrawn Check the first case handled by User:Thatcher131). One User was blocked on my behalf and few others were labled as sockpuppets of Sunderam7). Note that I am not declared as a sockpuppet of Sundaram.

Now let me try to explain my points.. Most of the positive contributions on the article are from User:Sundaram7 and I only wanted to support him because I see a lot of vandals trying to destroy the article.. Please analyze all my discussions in talk page in thse sections [1],[2],[3] (note that my user name was Pens_withdrawnChangeUsername Archive)...

Please analyse the contributions of admin User:Dbachmann to this article at a stage when it was completely vandalised [4]... He also created a critisism section and added the arguments of other side in it. But still people tried to change the entire structure of the article in just a single edit( see the sequence - [5],[6], [7],[8] *).


Let me brief the the entire history of the article.

Part2 : after User:Dbachmann intervention

  • Soon User:Bakasuprman started his efforts [40], but this time his strategy was a kind of long term achievement of his goal mainly because he dint want to be noted by the Admins. This is the point were I actually initiated my efforts to support the article. I notified Admin User:Dbachmann about User:Bakasuprman's edits here. He didnt want to waste much time on the article. I was a new user and it was not able for me to edit the protected article. So I again requested Admin User:Dbachmann here for help. He replied here and removed the protection tag [41]. He dint interfere in the article after that. (I hope it is clear from this that I am not the sockpuppet of User:Sundaram7 because, if it was Sundaram7, he would have been able to edit the protected article. His past edit history clearly shows that)-----------(3).


The story doesn't end here.User:Bakasuprman continued to play the same game, but is always takes utmost care to be on the safer side because User:Sundaram7 also started filing cases against him. User:Bakasuprman role is continued by sockpuppets of banned user User:Hkelkar like User:Lionheart5.. see the edits here [42],[43],[44],[45],[46] Please read my discussion with User:Lionheart5 in my talk page.

(will add more points here later)

Let me frankly say that I know User:notBound .It was a mistake from his side to edit the ndf article and he did it only once [47]. His edit was soon reverted by User:70.113.112.244 (sock puppet of banned user User:Hkelkar)-----------(4).

He wont be editing this article in future because now he is aware of this sockpuppet problem. Note that he is a new user

From (1)(2)&(4) it is very well clear that User:70.113.116.46 and User:70.113.94.221 are not sockpuppets of User:Sundaram7 where as they are of banned User:Hkelkar. It was a great mistake from User:Aksi great to claim that. Same is the case with me. I and the user User:notBound are not sock puppets of User:Sundaram7. it is clear from (3)&(4)

I will try to get more points on the 2nd Part to prove that I am not a sockpuppet of User:Sundaram7. I will have to leave now. But will surely come up with more clear proofs to prove tat User:Aksi great was fully wrong in his judgment.

Blocking my LAN IP is not a good idea because more than some 2000 people work in the same LAN. Something must be done about it. If User:Aksi great doesn't take an action immediately, I will have to go for some higher appeal... Or may be, if there are some other editors in my LAN, they will start filing their complaints..

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