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May 13

File:Toa Payoh ritual murders crime scene.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 07:02, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The file is an image depicting the crime scene of Toa Payoh ritual murders. It is indeed a historic image, but it provides little visual identification otherwise. For example, the positions of blood stains, altars and the victims' bodies are not shown, which are critical in understanding the murders' processes. Moreover, from existing sources, it is also entirely possible to recreate a free image of the crime scene and the HDB flat's map showing such missing elements (an example being shown at c:File:Shinzo Abe and the shooter 2022-07-18.png). The file is therefore replaceable and is inferior to such free media files, and should be deleted under WP:NFCC#1. 廣九直通車 (talk) 04:45, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

i thought it would add more depth to people's understanding of the incident, to allow them to enter the killer's mind at the time of the murders by depicting his living quarters, delete if you want 08:52, 14 May 2023 (UTC) WorldTravleerAndPhotoTaker (talk) 08:52, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete “entering the killer’s mind” is not a fair use rationale and a generic image of a flat doesn’t even do that. Dronebogus (talk) 15:24, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Lim's Altar.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 07:02, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The file shows the polytheistic altar found during the investigation of Toa Payoh ritual murders belonging to murderer Adrian Lim (who is Catholic). The fact can be easily described by a cited paragraph, which means that the file is replaceable by text, and its omission would not be detrimental to the article's understanding of that point.

The uploader proposed that Such a sensation (placing a polytheistic altar despite being Catholic) cannot be fully described in words, and a picture is more capable of eliciting it. However, as a non-free image, it is also our obligation to avoid and minimize it's use whenever free text and files are possible. As the article has used a whopping amount of non-free images (2 for the victims, 3 for the murderers, 2 for crime scenes, 1 for the trial), some image inclusions (including this file) are excessive. The file therefore violates WP:NFCC#8 and WP:NFCC#3a, and should therefore be deleted. 廣九直通車 (talk) 05:02, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete uploader seems to enjoy coming up with fanciful excuses to use unfree media that does not meaningfully improve the article Dronebogus (talk) 15:26, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Let's not be too critical as well. There's no doubt that the uploader did spend great effort to write it into FA as well.廣九直通車 (talk) 07:34, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry Dronebogus (talk) 09:55, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Sub Court crowd.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 07:02, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The file shows the crowd surrounding the subordinate court's vehicle exit to observe the murderers of Toa Payoh ritual murders, which, as admitted by the uploader, is entirely possible to be described in and replaced by words. The case's importance among civilians could also possibly be supplemented by other evidence in text, such as how many people observed the trial. The file therefore fails WP:NFCC#1, and should be deleted. 廣九直通車 (talk) 05:12, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Also refer to WP:FREER for explanation of the "no free equivalent" criterion of WP:NFCC#1.廣九直通車 (talk) 05:21, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete this image is of no importance to understanding the topic Dronebogus (talk) 15:26, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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File:The heroin brand 'Double UO Globe' logo.png

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 08:10, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

License status verification The file is the logo of Double UO Globe, a notorious heroin brand that originates from the Golden Triangle in Southeast Asia. The uploader contends that the file is in public domain because it is used to promote illegal drugs sale, which is totally groundless. (If sanctions apply to drug dealers, it could force the file into the public domain though, cf. c:Template:PD-PCP-SL.)

Depending on the brand's place of origin, it might be in the public domain locally or not. A New York Times article proves that the brand exists at least since 1970. If the unsourced Chinese Wikipedia article is true and the brand indeed originates from Laos, then Laotian copyright law applies and makes the file in Laotian public domain (1970+50=2020) (but not transferrable to Commons due to URAA). Nevertheless, more sources is needed to ascertain the logo's origin, and before we find verifiable sources, the file is therefore unlicensed. 廣九直通車 (talk) 13:59, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

i maintain that I am correct in asserting the logo is not copyrighted and is in the public domain, delete if you want WorldTravleerAndPhotoTaker (talk) 08:53, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and relicense As an illegitimate product we don't know where exactly was the logo created, but Burmese, Thai and Laotian (which are the countries covered by the Golden Triangle region) copyright laws state that copyright for anonymous works enters public domain after 50 years since publication. {{PD-Myanmar}} (unupdated wrt. the new Burmese copyright law), {{PD-Thailand}} and c:Template:PD-Laos (no such template on English Wikipedia) should therefore apply.廣九直通車 (talk) 05:41, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

~~But before this discussion closes, other comments are also important to determine the validity of my opinion.~~廣九直通車 (talk) 05:42, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for my misunderstanding for English Wikipedia media licensing policy. As the copyright statuses of files are determined based on U.S. copyright law, and the nominated file has yet entered U.S. public domain due to URAA, the only reason that could keep the file is fair use. The file's usage in Golden Triangle (Southeast Asia), however, is incidental to the topic of the geographical region, and used as an illustration of the region's narcotics manufacturing industry (quite likely can be replaced by text). If there were an article properly describing the brand (like on Chinese Wikipedia), then I would support the file's fair-use retention. As such article doesn't exist yet, it has to be deleted.廣九直通車 (talk) 04:04, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Jon Bon Jovi- Blaze Of Glory.ogg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 07:02, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sample unneeded. Song title and artist name already serve to guide users seeking full recording. Furthermore, sample's contextual significance to Blaze of Glory (Jon Bon Jovi song) not well proven to this date. George Ho (talk) 18:19, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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