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Subject fails WP:BLP1E. The article lacks WP:SUSTAINED coverage, and is based on a flurry of coverage in the news cycle; almost all of it WP:TABLOID type sensational press. WP:NOTNEWS applies here. Additionally, the article has been heavily edited by either the subject or those connected to the subject and WP:COI editing to the article and the use of the page promote the subject is concerning. (see article edit history) 4meter4 (talk) 18:07, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. (as article creator). Page does seem to be a magnet for both WP:IDONTLIKE and COI edits, but neither are a reason to delete (hints of WP:ATD). The significant coverage in reliable sources is clear and the subject passes WP:GNG and a WP:BEFORE search would indicate significant coverage in BBC News as recently as yesterday, so I disagree there is a "flurry" of coverage, coverage is very much ongoing. I watch the article carefully and have removed any tabloid stuff (there is plenty). Notability is establised by non tabloid press such as BBC News, The Guardian, The Telegraph, The Spectator and more, that high quality sourcing is already in the article.

Considering WP:NOTNEWS, which is policy and has four reasons to delete. 1 - original reporting. Nope, this is all sourced. 2 Routine coverage, also nope, the subject making headlines, the coverage is not routine, as per our definition. 3 - Who's Who which excludes people for one event and such like, this guy is notable for lots of events, 4 - Gossip and diary stuff, there is high quality reporting and analysis about the subject. Any careful reading of the policy would not support deletion.

WP:BLP1E is absolutely not met. All three criteria would need to be met, and I doubt any are. Aside from the fact that the subject is notable for multiple (similar, but that doesn't matter) events, he is absolutely not a low profile individual, thus failing criterion 2 of WP:BLP1E. (See WP:NOTBLP1E for more)

None of this matters less than the key thing: WP:GNG - which is met. Thinking of WP:THREE here's three sources that should make that utterly clear:

Of course, none of these paint the guy in a good light, but that's besides the point. He is exceptionally notable. With BBC coverage as recent as yesterday, we should not WP:RUSHDELETE CT55555(talk) 18:38, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime, Entertainment, Internet, and England. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:38, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. CT55555(talk) 18:43, 25 August 2023 (UTC) Also posted notification here Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Internet culture CT55555(talk) 18:45, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Article is largely a negative portrayal of him, for doing "things" and getting in trouble with the law over these "things" he did. I wouldn't say that satisfied BLPCRIME, rest of his career seems not notable. It comes down to "guy does stupid stuff online and gets arrested, banned from social media". Oaktree b (talk) 18:54, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Family life is a small section, then the next section, then a looooong list of stuff he did and got arrested for. Being stupid online doesn't really make him notable. Could be seen as an attempt to shame the individual or as an attack page. Oaktree b (talk) 18:55, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete While Oaktree has mentioned that the page is largely a negative portrayal of him, edit history shows this page as being in a constant edit war, including from Mizzy himself along with several sockpuppet accounts of his friends, constantly trying to add pages for his friends and even add advertisements for Mizzy's spotify and t-shirt websites. Mizzy is clearly aware of the negative image he has online, but is using this wikipedia article solely as a purpose to gain further online presence. In reality, he is not notable. Tiktok users such as Pinkydoll are much more notable online, and even their pages are being discussed for deletion. Having random articles about your arrest don't make you notable. Matan Even, the "Bill Clinton" game awards crasher, has several articles written about him, including several from this week alone, and he doesn't have a wikipedia page either. Don't let Mizzy just get away with using wikipedia for free ads. 2600:1700:89C6:2000:84CE:DEC9:9C9D:8543 (talk) 23:17, 25 August 2023 (UTC)— User:2600:1700:89C6:2000:84CE:DEC9:9C9D:8543 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Keep No shortage of articles regarding this internet personality - from The Guardian to The Independent to the BBC to, yes, The Daily Mail. Current delete votes seem to be factoring in quality of the page (or the individual the article is on) rather than determining notability. As in, simply because a youtuber is famous for "doing things and getting arrested", that does not discount valid coverage of them. Essentially, we can not use personal judgements regarding if coverage is about 'important stuff' or not (certainly many academic fields lack in practical importance, but there's no shortage of articles regarding fairly minor mathematicians and philosophers). The page is undoubtedly a bit of a mess, but that is also not grounds for deletion in any way. Page should likely be trimmed and potentially protected in order to prevent further abuse by both fans and opponents of this youtuber. A MINOTAUR (talk) 03:43, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@A MINOTAUR You have not addressed the policy issues raised in the nomination which are WP:BLP1E, WP:NOTNEWS, and WP:SUSTAINED. It is not enough to show significant coverage of a BLP when that coverage falls within the same limited time frame and covers the same singular topic. Lasting notability is demonstrated by the subject being known for more than one notable event, and having coverage across time. Having many sources covering the same single topic in a one month time frame does not show sustained coverage and runs afoul of three policies named above. The sourcing is not sufficient to pass our notability policies in relation to WP:Biographies of Living People which are more stringent that GNG.4meter4 (talk) 13:05, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I mentioned above the BBC News coverage yesterday. Please also note coverage in Ireland last week and in Wales, yesterday

I find the suggestion that coverage all happened in one month, and that it was all related to one event, odd. Coverage is ongoing, spans many months and several events. CT55555(talk) 13:14, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@4meter4 I'm just kind of having a difficult time discerning how your argument fits into the policy links. This is not like local news or a tabloid, these are large articles from major websites discussing the individual, their backstory, and their cultural impact. To ask for verifiable articles suggesting notability, be confronted with three very solid articles from @CT55555, along with articles regarding the individual over the course of a year - and then say "Well, not those.".... I'm just not quite sure what would satisfy your criteria or why the bar would be set so high for this article in particular. These sources alone confer more verifiable notability than, I'm going to say conservatively, 90% of biographical pages on Wikipedia. I'm not even sure what the "singular topic" being covered here is, as there's a laundry list of items in this page. The break in? The Piers Morgan interview? "His content" as a whole?

I don't want to come off as harsh, but I'm having a hard time understanding the general 'pitch' of this AfD. A MINOTAUR (talk) 15:17, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]