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Leoš Janáček

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Result: Kept, with thanks to filelakeshoe. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:38, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Lots of uncited sections, cn tags since July 2020. Z1720 (talk) 17:37, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Following this - got a few sources at home, and a lot of the cn'd statements are cited and discussed in more detail in linked sub-topics. (One was even on a fully substantiated claim, which I've just removed). – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 08:02, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

To the "unreferenced" tag in the "Selected writings" section, what exactly are we supposed to add as a source there? It's literally just a list of publications, which can be verified by looking up each publication as you would any other reference. (There is a much longer list on the Janáček foundation website[1], but requiring a citation here seems a bit ridiculous to me) – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 08:30, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Some bibliographic information would be good; e.g. location and publisher. At minimum, the section should link to that website, preferably in English: Writings published during Janáček's lifetime. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:39, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks - there's also an index at the back of Tyrrell 2006–7 (pp963–971) so I've added that too. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 19:54, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Currently reworking the lede, btw, as it's too short and the cites need to be moved into the body (except the one on the pronunciation) – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 08:31, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

I've cited Grove for some of the {{cn}} tags and fixed a couple of others.—Jon (talk) 10:21, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

I've removed this paragraph:

Janáček was an atheist, and critical of the organized Church, but religious themes appear frequently in his work. The Glagolitic Mass was partly inspired by the suggestion by a clerical friend and partly by Janáček's wish to celebrate the anniversary of Czechoslovak independence.

The only bits of this which I can verify are "critical of the organized church" and "religious themes appear in his work" (which is certainly true but the "frequently" might be doing a bit of work). While looking for info on inspiration for the Glagolitic Mass I found this [2] and Paul Wingfield's monograph on the piece, the intro of which is publicly viewable on gbooks. [3] These sources describe Janáček as "not particularly religious", "rejecting Catholicism", "pantheist" and "agnostic" which are all different from being an atheist. Also none of these sources suggest who the "clerical friend" was or make any link to Czechoslovak independence day (28 October). Rather Wingfield seems to suggest the mass was inspired by a trendy pan-Slavist movement which sought to revive OCS liturgy. Even if those facts can be verified I think they're probably being given undue weight. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 11:42, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

There's now just one cn tag left on the first para in "legacy", does anyone have access to the source "Sehnal & Vysloužil 2001, p. 175"? I don't, and it's possible that might have been intended to be a cite for the whole paragraph. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 19:48, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Just found it in the library - it substantiated the first part of that paragraph, I found another paper which talked about Volek et al and Janáček's influence in music theory. No cn tags left now. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 16:08, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

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