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RM, Syrian Kurdistan → Rojava, Moved, 18 January 2015, Discussion
RM, Democratic Federation of Northern Syria → Rojava, No consensus to move, 25 April 2018, Discussion
RM, Democratic Federation of Northern Syria → Northern and Eastern Syria, Not moved, 17 January 2019, Discussion
RM, Democratic Federation of Northern Syria → Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria, Moved to Rojava, 28 February 2019, Discussion
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Supposed "direct open elections"

The introduction states that in the AANES there are "direct open elections" which I don't believe is the case.

Not only elections are frequently postponed but they are largely dominated by the PYD that excludes both the regime's Baath and other (truly) independent parties or KRG-linked movements.

I therefore suggest the removal of "direct open elections". 22Chev22 (talk) 17:18, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There were independent parties which have participated in the AANES elections and politics, for example the Kurdish National Alliance in Syria, Assyrian Democratic Party, and Law–Citizenship–Rights Movement, all of which have repeatedly and openly criticized the PYD-led government. Both Baath as well as KRG-linked groups boycotted the elections, not a move for which the PYD was responsible (also, one Baath faction did participate). The postponment of the elections only got going after Turkey repeatedly invaded the AANES, making elections basically impossible. One can criticize the AANES for a lot of things (the use of child soldiers, for example), but this stuff isn't among them. Applodion (talk) 18:52, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Every Rojava page on Wikipedia is abysmal. All rhetoric is pro PKK. This is absolutely something you can criticize AANES for. The only thing I can honestly say is even slightly positive is gender parity, but even the women in PKK are often Turkish rather than Syrian. Not to mention PKK is accused of allying with Assad to suppress the revolution in NES.

I highly doubt any of the authors of these pages are syrians who witnessed the revolution. Every page even remotely related to AANES reeks of Apoist rhetoric.

https://www.reuters.com/article/syria-crisis-kurds-idINDEE87U0C720120831 2607:9880:4277:FF02:D4FC:13D2:B368:82C7 (talk) 06:40, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Remove “with further attacks on unarmed fleeing civilians conducted by local Arab militias” from the History section. It seems vandalism, I couldn’t verify it in any of the cited sources nor have read it anywhere before. Chafique (talk) 20:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: Four seemingly reliable sources verify such information. If the statement is not verified by any of those four, please do let me know and I can remove it if that is the case. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 06:01, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Libertarian socialism?

This article has had the word "libertarian socialism" strewn about throughout it for quite some time, even including it in the infobox as a descriptor of the form of government used by the AANES. But upon going through the sources for the uses of this term, I found that none of them actually used it in reference to the AANES. In fact, only a couple of them actually used the term at all and it was as a passing descriptor for Murray Bookchin, with no clear connection to the AANES.

Given this problem of synthesis has also cropped up in the article for democratic confederalism, I have to ask here: does this term actually have any basis whatsoever in any sources on this subject, or is its association with the AANES yet another original invention of Wikipedia? --Grnrchst (talk) 09:07, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Politics section needs total rewrite

The politics section of the article completely fails to actually meaningfully describe the political-adminsitrative system of AANES - how are councils formed, how are elections held, etc. The ideological background is good and all, as is mentioning issues, but, you can't see the issues until the system is actually described. Linking to a wikipedia article about the consitutions (which doesn't describe the structure either) or to the ideology (which may be the basis of the structure, but simply serves as its foundation) is not sufficient. 83.190.80.156 (talk) 14:20, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]