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Battle of Re'im

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One day-long battle. Not notable. The article is only one paragraph long. It can perfectly be integrated into 2023 Hamas attack on Israel. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 09:53, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to 2023 Hamas attack on Israel. It can perfectly be integrated: I have, in fact, already done so. The redirect was reverted, though the merged content was left in the target article. Clearly this is non-notable. DFlhb (talk) 13:19, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - A documented battle which was fought over a military base. The article (Wiki) was also mentioned by a media organization as well [1]. Also, an WP:OTHERLANGS argument (can’t be used alone) also helps supports my point, given this battle is in over 10 other Wiki-languages. Obviously, that argument can’t be used alone, but when media name the battle + mention the English Wiki article + translated into 11 other languages, one can’t just say it “isn’t” notable without providing good reasoning. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 04:29, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Documented", mentioned by media, and OTHERLANGS are not valid arguments. This article must meet WP:NEVENT (not GNG), and it doesn't, because it lacks depth and duration of coverage, and documented (sourced) lasting effects or historical significance. The sources are breaking news sources, which generally don't count for event notability. DFlhb (talk) 09:08, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am curious on why you said OTHERLANGS is “not valid” for an argument? My reasoning was clear without mentioning it and actually per WP:OTHERLANGS, A notable topic will often be covered by Wikipedia articles in many languages other than English. It is covered by several news articles and this Wikipedia article was mentioned by a news article. Anyway, after watching an article with 2 sentences pass AfD (version after the keep conensus) because it had several RS sources supporting it, a well-documented brief battle with at least 8 WP:RS sources, which was mentioned by a media outlet & has been translated into nearly a dozen other Wikipedia languages clearly passes the bar. Direct comparison should be avoided by itself per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, but there is too many RS sources (my exact reasoning) mentioning the battle as well as several supporting facts for this case. My !vote will remain keep. WP:COALing out time. Peace y’all. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 09:30, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Additional comment - Based on the RS listed in the article it passes WP:GNG and the AfD nomination nor the additional !vote actually suggest deletion. Both are pertaining to merges. A look at the article talk page hints at 0 prior discussions occurring for a merge, so it appears WP:BEFORE wasn't followed and the AfD is being used incorrectly, when the nominator appears to be more or less requesting a merge, not deletion. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 22:26, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - An important battle, where Israeli forces were defeated and Hamas subsequently filmed dead Israelis for social media. It seems to be one of the more disasterious defeats of the IDF. It is also costumery for there to be articles on. Also there seem to be ample articles on subject.
[1][2][3][4][5][6] English
Local news: [2],[3],[4],[5],[6] Homerethegreat (talk) 09:07, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Williams, Dan (7 October 2023). "How the Hamas attack on Israel unfolded". Reuters. Archived from the original on 7 October 2023. Retrieved 7 October 2023.
  2. ^ "At least 7 Nepali injured, 17 held captive by Hamas in Israel: Nepal's envoy". ANI. 7 October 2023. Archived from the original on 7 October 2023. Retrieved 7 October 2023.
  3. ^ David Rosenberg (October 9, 2023). "Hamas invasion death toll rises to 800 as Israel prepares for far more dangerous threat from north". World Israel News. Archived from the original on 16 October 2023. Retrieved 20 October 2023.
  4. ^ Daniella Cheslow (October 10, 2023). "Israel and the West reckon with a high-tech failure". Politico. Archived from the original on 17 October 2023. Retrieved 20 October 2023.
  5. ^ "Israel says it regains control of Re'im army base". Defense Blog. Archived from the original on 7 October 2023. Retrieved 7 October 2023.
  6. ^ Fabian, Emanuel (7 October 2023). "IDF regains control of Re'im military base from Hamas terrorists in southern Israel". Times of Israel. Archived from the original on 7 October 2023. Retrieved 7 October 2023.
Merge to 2023 Hamas attack on Israel as completely underwhelming at just 127 words (below the absolute minimum threshold for a standalone piece of content, per WP:SIZERULE), and with no apparent detail - not even casualty numbers for the two sides - making it far from standalone page-worthy from the get-go. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:14, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NEXIST — “Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article”. See the 2-sentence article mentioned above which was kept due to the existence of multiple RS sources. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 07:04, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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