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Removal of Sam Altman

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Violates WP:NOTNEWS and does not meet WP:NEVENT. BangJan1999 18:10, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Business, Computing, and California. BangJan1999 18:10, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:31, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral — I disagree with the argument that this article is not news, given that articles such as dismissal of James Comey exist. The nascency of an event does not determine its notability. There are sufficient references to sustain an article, but the question remains if an article is necessary at all. This is a question I mulled over several times before determining that this is an event with reaching implications and sustained coverage, including extensive coverage in The New York Times, Bloomberg News, and Axios; the jostling for information contributes to this article's vitality. It remains to be seen if this will be resolved within days or hours, which will help reach consensus here. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 20:17, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I disagree that the page violates WP:NOTNEWS. The page is a collection of well sourced references to a developing situation at an consequential company. – NirvanaToday^t@lk 21:08, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Sam Altman. Per WP:NOTNEWS - a lot of readers, if not most, won't even know who he is. This is internal tech news specific to Altman, and shouldn't be a stand-alone. — Maile (talk) 22:17, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into OpenAI and/or Sam Altman per WP:NOTNEWS; concur with Maile . Also, there is no stand-alone article on Steve Jobs’ removal from Apple, which is comparable in its significance. The Madness of Joanna (talk) 23:03, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Articles are not real estate; we are not making comparables whether one should exist based on the existence—or lack thereof—of another. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 00:41, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into both OpenAI and Sam Altman. I agree that this doesn't fall under WP:NOTNEWS, but I don't see why it can't be written about in the OpenAI article. Unless we get a significant amount more news, those articles wouldn't become too long either. —Panamitsu (talk) 23:12, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment — The claim that this article violates WP:NOTNEWS is not justified. There is sufficient sourcing to exemplify this event from standard oustings à la Travis Kalanick. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 00:41, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to OpenAI. Agree with BangJan1999 that the creation of this entry "Violates WP:NOTNEWS and does not meet WP:NEVENT." Cfls (talk) 04:07, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as article contains substantial content that would not be well covered as a subsection of another article [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 06:20, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to OpenAI. The thing is, this is a comparatively small event in relation to OpenAI and/or Sam Altman. It is likely that with the current state of affairs, there will be only a few additions to this subject. Also this event was already covered in detail in the OpenAI article, although I also believe that this information would be relevant to Sam Altman as well. Zenulabidin2k (talk) 08:16, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This event has stunned the tech world and is notable, especially as it relates to such a powerful technology. Wjfox2005 (talk) 09:45, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as historical event that affects much more than Sam and OpenAI. I agree that it won't be well covered if merged with other articles. I disagree that lack of article about Steve Jobs’ removal is relevant here, as pace and short-term aftermath of these two events is not comparable. RussianNeuroMancer (talk) 12:18, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Since no one has mentioned it yet, the guideline at WP:PAGEDECIDE seems directly applicable and may be useful in the discussion. - Fuzheado | Talk 15:23, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to OpenAI and Sam Altman as above. Obviously both OpenAI and Altman are significant players in the tech space, especially given the involvement of others like Microsoft, so the decision to remove him will have wide-reaching implications; however, I believe much of those implications in turn stem from the implications on Altman and OpenAI, and those should (at least at the moment) be merged into those respective articles. (Separate comment: The WP:FULL protection on Altman's page definitely complicates the matter, and I hope that the situation with that page can be resolved quickly without needing to keep that protection level for as long a time as it's been set.) Andrew11374265 (talk) 17:17, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as this is a notable event that merits its own article with deeper detail, added as the story develops. There are more details that would be appropriate to discuss at length outside of the OpenAI or Sam Altman articles. My only suggestion would be to rename the article to something like Dismissal of Sam Altman rather than "removal." –Avigl (talk) 17:49, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This article is too long to fit comfortably in either of the two main articles, so a separate article is appropriate. Regarding WP:NOTNEWS, it is not routine at all. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 17:55, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Routine coverage is just one of the examples given by NOTNEWS. The crux of that policy is that not everything that makes it to newspaper headlines should have its own article. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:59, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per WP:NOPAGE, WP:10YEAR, WP:NOTNEWS, etc. This will all blow over, everyone will go back to their lives, and this topic will no longer be relevant. Corporate drama happens all the time. There's nothing here that couldn't be merged into OpenAI and Sam Altman. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:59, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment — The arguments for notability and significance have been established. The question is, and remains, if a separate article is warranted. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 18:01, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the ensuing drama will not be relevant in a few weeks. Keep this in Altman's and OpenAi's articles. Camilo Sánchez Talk to me 18:01, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]